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Related: About this forumAfter Paris, Whither the BDS Movement?
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...Instead of the sort of empathy you’d expect any sane person to express at a moment like this, the most vocal proponents of the BDS movement took radically different paths. Jewish Voice for Peace, for example, one of the leading radical leftist organizations focused on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, published a blog post that indicated precisely where its priorities lay. Entitled “The Paris Murders & the Islamophobic Backlash,” it contained many wise observations like the one alerting readers that “Muslims are at greatly heightened risk from the forces of bigotry,” but almost nothing about the fact that other forces, no less bigoted, had just taken the lives of 17 people, many of them Jewish. Even if you subscribe to the moronic theory that believes the concrete threat to be not the men with the semiautomatic weapons but some future affront to somebody’s feelings, you can still take more than half a sentence to express genuine sadness at the thought of so many wasted lives. JVP had no time for such normal, human sentiments; nor did many others who make assailing Israel their cause. Writing in Mondoweiss, for example, and never once mentioning Jews—quite a feat, considering that one of the attacks took place in a kosher supermarket—Chloe Patton argued that we westerners needed to embrace “the ways in which the historical traumas of the global south continue to haunt the postcolonial present.” Even without judging the intellectual merit of such an argument, it’s not too hard to see that one thing that makes it particularly vile is that it assumes that only one side has any right to a hearing, while the other, even when slaughtered, ought to do nothing but listen and empathize.
Such uncaring, coming at this particular moment from anyone professing to be an activist working on behalf of universal values is deafening. As it happens, however, it beats the alternative.....
....To those among us unfortunate enough to follow the BDS movement closely, such vitriol is no news. But cataclysmic events have a way of rattling people into sudden awakenings. And so here’s a simple suggestion: before you engage in conversation with critics of Israel, take a moment and check their digital footprint from the past week. If they’ve taken the time and the trouble to condemn these horrific murders without equivocation, if they sound genuinely remorseful, proceed. But if all they can muster are musty cliches or steely dogmas, if they can’t take a moment away from their politics to be ordinary, feeling humans, and if they can’t miss an opportunity to see even this tragedy as yet another proof of the exceptional nefariousness of the Israeli regime, then they’ve proven that the true object of their vitriol is not the Jewish state but the Jewish people.
http://tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/188290/bds-after-paris
Ain't that the truth?
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oberliner
(58,724 posts)1. Israel kills way more people than this on a regular basis and the world doesn't care.
2. They only call it terrorism when brown Muslims do it. Israel is the biggest terrorist on the planet.
3. Did you know they fired a cartoonist for publishing an anti-semitic cartoon? So apparently, it's totally ok for people to make offensive cartoons about Muslims but not about Jews.
4. The reason why these people are radicalized is because of the decades of oppression imposed upon the Arab and Muslim world by the United States, Israel, and their lackeys.
5. People claim to be in favor of freedom of speech but Israel jails anyone who dares speak out against their crimes.
6. No one marched in the streets to protest the killings in Gaza - in fact, the world just cheered on the slaughter.
Am I missing any?
King_David
(14,851 posts)And :
Why is this a Jewish issue.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)"The Islamophobic cartoons in Charlie Hebdo are the American equivalent of white people drawing cartoons of African Americans as monkeys or Germans drawing cartoons mocking Jewish suffering during the Holocaust"
"My role as a cartoonist is to challenge power and dominant narratives, not to attack marginalized people. I draw cartoons about Obama, Netanyahu, Arab dictators, and Israeli settlers because they’re they ones in power, they’re literally calling the shots and making people’s lives miserable. These are legitimate targets for political satire. Trying to satirize prophet Muhammed ﷺ in a cartoon just makes you look like an ignorant jerk."
"we can examine the context and power structures under which bigoted cartoons are created and hopefully come to the conclusion that cartoons mocking the prophet Muhammed ﷺ will just be considered one of those socially unacceptable things you just don’t do."
"Imagine if a pair of Jewish brothers, distraught at the death and destruction that had befallen the Jewish people, barged into the Nazi publication Der Sturmer offices and murdered members of its staff..."
"When blasphemy is bigotry: The need to recognise historical trauma when discussing Charlie Hebdo"
"Media obsesses over ‘free speech’ in Charlie Hebdo case while ignoring Israeli targeting of journalist"
Also I forgot the whole "How dare Netanyahu go to the march in Paris" stuff.
King_David
(14,851 posts)http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=92400
oberliner
(58,724 posts)That's a fun one.
Mosby
(19,491 posts)Many people, Dana Kennedy said, were of the opinion that Jews had staged the series of deadly terror incidents to make Muslims look bad, though one went even further with his explanation.
“One person told me that they weren’t just regular Jews that were doing this but in fact but a race of magical shape-shifting Jews that were master manipulators that could be everywhere at the same time,” Kennedy said.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026086269
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Are you going to blame the world for Israeli apartheid?
King_David
(14,851 posts)No substance to that post…
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)The only system in the Middle East which is democratic and grants Arab citizens full equality under the law, including the right to become a Justice of the Supreme Court, an ambassador, a military officer or a Minister in the Cabinet., i.e. a form of “Racism.” Not to be confused with the widespread discrimination and exclusion of Palestinians on ethnic grounds in Lebanon, which is not “Apartheid.”
http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/a-palestinese-lexicon/#ixzz3Ovk6NJzj
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)BDS is growing due to Israeli apartheid and human rights violations.
But please scream about anything to try and drown out that reality.
shira
(30,109 posts)BDS is no better.
David Duke and his minions cry about apartheid, jewish supremacy too.
They're ignored as they should be.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Also, speaking about fascism, Israel is doing a bang up job in that area.
Cheers.
shira
(30,109 posts)Pretty hard to distinguish b/w the two.
Duke and most of his far left counterparts are fascists.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Regardless of your nonsense in trying to deflect from apartheid Israel with the usual bogus quips perhaps it is time for you to actually admit that Israel is a rogue state: killing children, dispossessing the Palestinians of land home and hope, flaunting international law while decrying how it is treated and the general state of apartheid and bigotry it has created.
But please go on and dance with the ghost of David Duke since you are the only one that constantly brings him up as if he has relevance.
It sho beats reality. 
shira
(30,109 posts)....try to deflect from "apartheid Israel" and cannot help but obsess about both real and imagined (mostly imagined) Israeli wrongdoings.
Once again...
The only system in the Middle East which is democratic and grants Arab citizens full equality under the law, including the right to become a Justice of the Supreme Court, an ambassador, a military officer or a Minister in the Cabinet., i.e. a form of “Racism.” Not to be confused with the widespread discrimination and exclusion of Palestinians on ethnic grounds in Lebanon, which is not “Apartheid.”
Fozzledick
(3,921 posts)Those who use it know exactly what they are doing, and we've just seen the results in Paris.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Israel practices apartheid.
There's no denying it...well there is if one wants to lie for Israel.
shira
(30,109 posts)So too the unhinged far Left.
King_David
(14,851 posts)What motivates it? 3 things
Usually comes from extreme right wing white supremist types like David Duke or extremist left antisemites like Greta Berlin or Muslim - Palestinians who for obvious reasons ( and are the only legitimate reasons )
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)of abuse and apartheid to even take you seriously.
BDS.
shira
(30,109 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)in its hands for what you have pasted to be taken seriously.
Keep on pasting it though, you might rope somebody in with that carnival nonsense.
shira
(30,109 posts)1. Check out the most popular BDS sources commenting on French terror from the last week.
2. They have w/o question ripped Israel or Bibi for something related to those French atrocities, especially as it relates to France's Jewish victims.
Here's what you won't see....
3. They have not and will not unconditionally condemn the killing of Jews that went on there, or call for better protection from France regarding its Jews. Try finding an article that does that. You won't.....
Know why?
4. They're haters and that's what haters do.
Just as we won't find any unconditional condemnation from the David Duke Stormfront crowd. Same shit from the most popular BDS sources. All they're capable of posting WRT France's Jews are garbage articles bashing Israel, Bibi, and "Zionists".
5. And now you know why charges from BDS about Israeli Apartheid are garbage. They're haters trying to incite hate and violence against Israel and Jews. No one important (like western governments, or human rights groups like Amnesty Int'l & HRW) accuses Israel of apartheid.
6. That's why this "carnival nonsense" definition of BDS apartheid works. This emotional charge cannot be backed up. No one takes it seriously. It's pure hate.
Go on. Prove me wrong.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)about your bogeymen, what purity tests you want to conjure up or the general rants about BDS.
BDS wouldn't exist if it weren't for belligerent Israeli apartheid and human rights abuses.
The sooner you come to that realization the quicker the recovery from your self-deception.
shira
(30,109 posts)They had time to post several articles bashing Israel, its leaders, and its supporters regarding the Paris attack on Jews, but no unconditional condemnation or show of support for France's Jews.
It's important that everyone realizes the hostility BDS groups show - not only towards the Jewish state but Jews in general.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)If it wasn't for Israeli apartheid and human rights abuses BDS wouldn't exist.
Chew on that concept for a while.
While you're at it just stop with the victimization. It's disgusting, IMHO.
shira
(30,109 posts)It's disgusting NOT to view them that way.
It's also pretty bad when you all but concede by your silence that BDS has no interest for the Jews murdered in France. Their only interest WRT those atrocities is to bash Jews and the Jewish state.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Strange. I never said that, shira. But go on now. Do tell.
shira
(30,109 posts)....when you were disgusted with claiming "victim" status?
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)If it wasn't for Israeli apartheid and human rights abuses BDS wouldn't exist.
Chew on that concept for a while.
While you're at it just stop with the victimization. It's disgusting, IMHO.
2nd try...
What did u mean by this victimization?
Please be clear.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)I knew you wouldn't be able to tell the truth.
Just make shit up ans see if it sticks. Bad form, that.
shira
(30,109 posts)...in that post?
Be crystal clear, please.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)That makes you look rather silly. Grade F for failure.
shira
(30,109 posts)....regarding your accusation of crying disgusting "victimhood".
Thanks for proving me correct...
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)That was evident.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/113492604#post32
You really are lousy at this. Please stop spreading the disinformation, shira.
shira
(30,109 posts)Your #32 was in response to my pointing out how BDS doesn't give a shit about France's Jews when it uses their deaths to bash Israel.
You know that.
Looks to me that this "self victimization" refers to my fellow Jews in France.
sabbat hunter
(7,110 posts)you did indeed say the things he quoted.
shira
(30,109 posts)....accuse Israel of being an apartheid state?
The 2 major Human Rights groups don't make that claim either.
It's because it's complete and utter racist bullshit.
Now go on, tell us how all western nations and human rights groups like HRW and AI 'splain away "Israeli Apartheid".
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Sooner or later Israel will be labeled by the West as well: once it becomes clear to the photo OP politicians that they can no longer hide their citizen's distaste for Israeli human rights abuses.
But until then, have fun defending the empire and colonization.
shira
(30,109 posts)....with atrocious human rights records - along with their fringe western racist propagandist friends - are correct.
Riddle me this one...
Why haven't HR groups like HRW and Amnesty called Israel an apartheid state?
Are they lazy too?
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)
shira
(30,109 posts)
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)One student in the group is Jacob Silvermetz, a former Israeli air force pilot who immigrated to Israel from America and currently studies at the University of Manchester. He has campaigned against pro-Palestinian Right to Education initiatives there and tried to prevent Manchester students twinning their institution with Al Najah University in Nablus, an attempt which (despite the alliterative hashtag #TwinningWithTerror) failed.
In one discussion on the private group, Silvermetz, who also founded a website called “Students for Change” (principally, it seems, to oppose the twinning vote), discusses “trying to target and take down” the “leaders” of Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS), the non-violent Palestinian-led movement he says he finds “scary.”
When he pointedly observes that “smear campaigns work sometimes,” he is unmistakably, albeit implicitly, advocating such tactics. For their overall strategy, he believes Zionist activists should try to “show how idiotic” the BDS movement is and focus on “ridiculing it’s [sic] leaders.”
He comes across as somewhat ridiculous himself, however, commenting, for instance, that BDS has “moved in the direction of a faith-based religion” and become “a cult of personality,” even at one point comparing the human rights defenders who advocate BDS to “religious crusaders.”
It’s hardly surprising that his source for these claims is Mordechai Kedar of Israel’s Bar-Ilan University, in whose twisted mind “the only thing that will deter” potential terrorists is “if they know that either their sister or mother will be raped.”
http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/hilary-aked/revealed-pro-israel-students-plot-smear-campaigns-attack-bds
shira
(30,109 posts)Classy.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)...against innocent Israeli civilians...
Ali Abunimah@AliAbunimah
We do not know if the Gaza ceasefire will be extended. We do know that the resistance is waging a legitimate struggle with just demands.
also this...
https://twitter.com/nuritbaytch/status/502852775022436353
and this...
http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/video-palestinian-resistance-gaza-fighting-all-us-says-dr-mads-gilbert
and even more tweets and articles...
http://brandeiscenter.com/blog/ali-abunimah-advocates-solidarity-with-hamas/
King_David
(14,851 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)