Palestinian Terrorism Verdict Shatters Long-Held Myths and Illusions

[Mosby]

JNS.org - The illusion is shattered. When confronted with claims of complicity in terror attacks, the Palestinian Authority (PA) and the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) can no longer lift their hands and say in puzzlement, “Who, me?”

The jury in the just-decided terrorism case—Sokolow v. Palestine Liberation Organization, which awarded $218.5 million to 10 American families victimized by Palestinian terrorism in Israel—has said the opposite. “Yes,” the PA and the PLO do bear responsibility for the death, pain, and suffering brought about in a series of terror attacks against innocent civilians a decade ago. The myth of PA and PLO innocence has been shattered, I hope for all time.

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First, it will help the Western world to understand that the long-held fiction that the Palestinians are not responsible for their actions must be discarded. He didn’t get many things right about the Middle East, but what Edward Said called the “orientalism” of the West—the treatment of Palestinians as children who did not know better—allowed the PA and PLO to duck from responsibility for terrorist acts carried out under their watch, and worse, with their supervision and/or material support.

Second, it should convince the US government that the victims must be allowed to collect their financial awards. If not out of the of the $400 million in US aid money sent annually to the PA, the reparations should come out of other assets of the PA in the US and assist the victims to reach PA money in Europe.

Third, hitting the PA hard—in the pocketbook—should force the Palestinian leadership of Mahmoud Abbas, et al., to accept the fact that they cannot continue to pay terrorists sitting in prison or provide stipends to the families of murderers. More importantly, it might force the Palestinians living under their thumbs to say, once and for all time, “no” to the continued sponsorship and glorification of terrorists.

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http://www.algemeiner.com/2015/02/27/palestinian-terrorism-verdict-shatters-long-held-myths-and-illusions/

[Scootaloo]

1. Or it could be taken off the tab

I mean the amount of money owed to Palestine just for rent alone could cover that settlement a hundred times over, I'm sure.

[azurnoir]

2. The case is going to be appealed I remember such rah rahing from the incredibly Rightwing Algeminer

over the victory scored over Charles Enderlin by Phillip Karsenty only to not only that over turned but Karsenty himself fined for liable

Moreover all of the perpetrators in these cases have been brought to justice, not to mention that these victims have been given more consideration in American courts than the victims of 9/11

[Dick Dastardly]

32. Utter nonsense.

9/11 has nothing to do with this case except its use as a disgusting deflection tactic.

Moreover, claiming that these victims were somehow given more consideration in the American courts than the 9/11 victims is either a bald face lie or spoken out of complete ignorance. In ether case it is false.

I am actually holding my tongue on this post.

[azurnoir]

35. a court awarded 9/11 victims $6 billion the major defendent the government of.....IRAN

hmmm

Among the defendants were the Islamic Republic of Iran, the Ayatollah Khamenei, the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps of Iran, Hezbollah, and various other Iranian governmental agencies and corporations. Also liable as defendants were Osama bin Laden, al Qaeda, and the Taliban.


http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/04/court-awards-over-6-billion-in-damages-to-911-victims/

[Dick Dastardly]

33. The perpetrators have not all been brought to justice.

Even if that were the case criminally, victims can also seek justice civilly from those criminally liable as well as those just civilly liable.

[azurnoir]

36. yes that's what 'lawfare' is

[King_David]

3. The victims won a small victory , I'm sure they prefer their loved ones alive tho

[King_David]

4. Too true,

The Western world to understand that the long-held fiction that the Palestinians are not responsible for their actions must be discarded

[azurnoir]

5. The Palestinians who perpetrated the acts were brought to justice long ago-most are dead

as I said not even the victims of 9/11 received so much consideration from an NYC court

[King_David]

6. Not yet,

There's no statute of limitations on mass murder.

[azurnoir]

7. Name the Palestinians who physically committed the acts who are still at large

do you feel these victims are more deserving than the victims of 9/11 who are forced to settle for criminal justice?

[King_David]

8. All these victims are equally deserving

Good to see the paymasters , accomplices and monetary rewarders of the mass nurderers punished in a minuscule way for their heinous crimes.

[azurnoir]

9. Didn't answer the initial question which of physical perpetrators are still at large?

as I said while deserving the 9/11 victims do not such consideration

[azurnoir]

11. so pointing out inequality of justice is the very same as defending? try again it falls short

[King_David]

12. Umm , no I don't think so...

You'd do well to take account of post 7 to see how you're alone here.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/113496107#post7

[azurnoir]

13. except I've said nothing personal about the plaintifs themselves I don't blame them either

try again or apologize as that was a libelous personal attack and not the first one either

you've also accused me of supporting "murdering Jews"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=96225

[King_David]

16. Don't see how it's a personal attack to point out you are ( was) the only poster criticizing this ..

Why on earth would I apologize for pointing out the obvious?

[azurnoir]

28. you edited the comment 10 so the attack is not there anymore but anyeone can still see what you said

and that's what I responded to

[King_David]

30. I added a link. nt

[azurnoir]

34. I'm talking about comment 10 adding the same link to comment 12 changes nothing

[King_David]

37. All I did was add a link to comment 10

[King_David]

17. Huh ?

What accuse?

Your posts are clear for anybody to read, there's no need for me to make any accusations.

[Scootaloo]

19. The part where you accuse Azurnoir of supporting the murder of jews

It's in the post she linked.

What the fuck, Dave?

[King_David]

21. Trying a little drama to whip up a Jury?

Very transparent...

[Scootaloo]

23. Not at all Dave

I'm just puzzled that you get deeply offended if it's suggested you support the occupation, but see no issue with accusing Azurnoir of supporting the murder of Jews and claiming she is "defending paymasters of mass murder."

It seems you have some very odd standards of what is and is not a personal attack and slander, is all.

[King_David]

24. .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=96382

[King_David]

22. A Verdict on the Palestinians

When a New York jury found the Palestinian Authority and the Palestinian Liberation Organization liable for knowingly supporting six terrorist attacks in Israel more than a decade ago, the news was greeted with cheers and I-told-you-so’s from Israeli government officials and activists on the right.
From the left, there was silence.


Read more: http://forward.com/articles/215493/a-verdict-on-the-palestinians/#ixzz3T0Qaye17



There was no such silence from Azurnoir....

not here.....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/113496107#op

and not here....


http://www.democraticunderground.com/113496346

[Scootaloo]

14. Again with the personal attacks and slander, Dave

You really gotta learn to rein that shit in, man.

[King_David]

15. There's no personal attack there...

That's the problem maybe ? You don't realize when it is a personal attack and when it is not and that's why you get so many time outs ?

[Scootaloo]

18. "It's hilarious seeing you defending these paymasters of mass murder" isn't a personal attack?

That's interesting, Dave. You got that from Azurnoir asking you which perpetrators are still at large?

[King_David]

20. Theres no personal attack there , the posts in this thread and also here...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/113496107#post7

Are available for anyone to read....

What would I gain from a personal attack ?

good try though ....

[Scootaloo]

25. Yeah, i've read 'em, and you're pretty plainly accusing Azur of supporting mass murder

What would you gain? I don't think you planned that far ahead, I think you just lash out.

[King_David]

26. .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=96382

[Scootaloo]

27. That's good Dave.

Just keep doing that.

[azurnoir]

29. you edited the comment

[King_David]

38. Yep , I added a link

That's it , a link was added in edit.

[azurnoir]

41. I'm talking about comment 10 adding the same link to comment 12 changes nothing *2

[King_David]

42. The only edit to comment 10 was adding a link

What you think i edited?

[azurnoir]

43. the libelous personal attack where you accuse me of defending the paymasters of mass murder

but it's there now so we're back to you owe me an apology

[King_David]

45. I can't keep up ,

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=96377

That's all , will not be going back and forward in this anymore.

[azurnoir]

44. while we're let's take a gander at Shurat HaDin's blog on the trial

One cannot underestimate the impact of yesterday’s $655.5 million US terrorism trial verdict against the Palestinian Authority on its hopes to convince the International Criminal Court prosecutor to indict Israeli soldiers and leaders for alleged war crimes in last summer’s Gaza war.

Whether the ICC intervenes is viewed as an open question, and the overall diplomatic and legal situation could have a big impact.

On one hand the ICC is not (yet) viewed as unabashedly biased against Israel like many UN organizations, such as the UN Human Rights Council, UNRWA and the UN General Assembly.

It is viewed as far more legal-professional in its approach and less automatically controllable by the nonaligned movement of Muslim states and other third-world countries, who regularly vote against Israel.

Many do not realize that the ICC prosecutor’s recent decision to recognize “Palestine” as a state was and is a long way from actually opening a full criminal investigation, let alone indicting Israelis

http://ilcblog.org/

of course as you can see above a US court also found Iran and Hezbollah guilty of 9/11 not to mention that the US like Israel is not a member of the ICC for ome strange reason(s)

[Larkspur]

31. Palestinians are an oppressed people on par with Native American Indians

I don't see much difference between Palestinian violence and the kind Native American Indians used in the past.
Both desire to preserve their land and culture from an invading group. In both cases, this invading group was predominantly white and of European origin.

Violence was one method some Indian tribes used as an act of self-defense. It worked until whites greatly outnumbered the Native Americans and got military technology superior to what Native American tribes could get. Of course, Native Americans did not have antibodies to small pox and other European diseases, which did the most devastation. In this case, Palestinians were better off, but the levels of poverty they are forced to live under, thanks to Israeli occupation, makes them susceptible to other diseases and problems.

I wonder when Rachel Corrie's parents will receive compensation for the murder of their daughter by the Israeli forces, who were bulldozing a Palestinian doctor's home? He wasn't even a terrorist but Israel condemned his home to be bulldozed. When did the sailors on the USS Liberty get compensated by Israel for being bombed by one of Israel's fighters?

[LeftishBrit]

39. Some inaccuracies here

'In both cases, this invading group was predominantly white and of European origin.'

At least half of the Israeli Jews are NOT of Europaean origin: mostly Middle Easterners whose families had lived in the region for generations; some Ethiopians; etc. Most of these non-Europaean Jews are no more 'white' than the Palestinians; and the Ethiopians are black.

'When did the sailors on the USS Liberty get compensated by Israel for being bombed by one of Israel's fighters?'

In 1969, Israel paid three and a half million dollars' compensation to the sailors' families.

[LeftishBrit]

40. Of course victims of terrorism should be compensated; this does not mean that the PA is directly

responsible for all acts of terrorism; merely that it has been a very weak, corrupt and ineffective government (one of the main reasons why people have been tempted to vote for Hamas), and lots of bad things have happened under its watch.

They are far from innocent, but then neither is Israel; or for that matter the Arab states.

I sympathize strongly with the writer as a bereaved parent, whose daughter was murdered by the horrible organization Islamic Jihad. However, this does not mean that all of his political conclusions are necessarily accurate.