Sit down, shut the fuck up and let Heterosexuals decide whats best for us!

[William769]

Any one else here have that feeling?

I won't sit down, I won't shut the fuck up, And I'm damn sure not going to let the majority of people who made a mockery of marriage tell me what best for me.

[xchrom]

1. that's been made abundantly clear around here. nt

[DURHAM D]

2. We are the inconvenient voting bloc.

Yes, the Obama operatives are just trying to "manage" us. They can't live with us and can't live without us.

[William769]

3. DING DING DING!

You win!

[MNBrewer]

46. Aren't we, though?

[WillParkinson]

51. Sorry, Durham...I disagree...

We're VERY convenient. Now if things go south they have someone ready-made to blame it on.

[BlueToTheBone]

4. Well, I would narrow that demographic a bit.

I would put this all down to old, white, fat, rich and greedy white men. All else are their minions.

[William769]

5. Not true at all.

Just ask the one's that are still evolving on the issue, I know a pretty famous one that does not fit that mold.

[BlueToTheBone]

14. in the words of *

It would be great if this were a dictatorship and he was the dictator.

[William769]

16. You don't have to be a dictator to come out and support something.

Using gobbledygook does not count.

Just saying.

[BlueToTheBone]

43. Still feel the same way? n/t

[DURHAM D]

6. Not true.

[MNBrewer]

47. Thank god i'm not rich, then.

or all that greedy.

[BlueToTheBone]

54. For all of us.

The greedy part is what sets them apart.

[Dawgs]

7. Again? n/t

[William769]

8. Yes the bigots just can't help themselves.

[sharp_stick]

9. Of course you should

You're going to hell because of your chosen lifestyle so you have far more important things to worry about than the silly need to get married and do things that make gawd fearing old white people uncomfortable. (because no matter how obvious somebody is going to think it was a serious statement)

I've never understood the drive of supposedly xtian people to control the lives of others. They're all about "personal responsibility" and "personal liberty" but only until it's someone else's responsibility or liberty that's being discussed, then it's all about the infallibility of select parts of an old poorly written book of mythology.

The bitching, moaning and whining when Connecticut first made a move to legalizing gay marriage was loud, offensive and idiotic. The law passed, the fires of jeebus didn't rain down on us and now even the fundies have shut the fuck up for the most part.

[Call Me Wesley]

10. I wouldn't really call it this broad;

I'd rather go with 'heterosexuals who are afraid standing up for civil rights because they could lose votes.' Which isn't probably even true anymore. It just baffles the mind, especially seeing this crap here on DU again. Like a four year late rehearsal ...

[peace13]

11. Well I hope it's a big bench because.....

every woman in America is already on it! Don't give up the fight. The old white geezers can't live forever!

[HillWilliam]

21. The problem with those old white geezers is

they aren't kicking off fast enough.

[peace13]

25. I hear that!

: )

[MNBrewer]

48. I think you can lay the blame squarely at the feet of the religious, regardless of age or race.

although.... we fare better among the young, regardless of religious affiliation.

[Zorra]

12. I've had it.

Gone over the edge. I'm the girl with the dragon tattoo now.

No quarter.

[joeybee12]

13. I'm pissed today...and what pisses me off is people telling me

I shouldn't be pissed...yeah, plenty of them here.

[William769]

15. I'm beyond pissed.

There is no excuse now of a primary fight as was the case the last time around, this is just bigotry plain & simple.

[MuseRider]

17. Sitting down and shutting up

seems like the only option when you can't even talk to people who will vote this way.

Do not ever. This is disgusting. Over and over again disgusting. So over and over again we must talk and scream and bang our heads against that wall.

I am ashamed.

[Lifelong Protester]

18. As an "old white gal"

Married to an "old white guy" (not fat but a geezoid!) we are with you! Not all of us oldsters, white or otherwise, are so set in our ways. We are very upset about what happened in NC, and believe EVERYONE in this country deserves the same rights.
Age does have one advantage: we are old enough to see the tide changing and moving in towards more rights for LGBT citizens.
Don't count us all out because of our age!

[yardwork]

57. I know that's true, and I appreciate your support!

It's not age, ethnicity, or many other characteristics that determine bigotry. My mom said recently that she thinks it boils down to two basic kinds of people: includers and excluders.

"Includers" are people who want everybody to share in the good things in life. They aren't afraid of sharing, and they like to be part of diverse groups and communities.

"Excluders" are greedy people who want to hog everything for themselves. They want to belong to groups that exclude other people. They're mean and narrow-minded. Or maybe they're scared and poorly-informed. For whatever reason, they turn inward and as a result, they fear and hate people who are different.

[Moonwalk]

19. Well, I'm heterosexual and I've decided you should have the right to marry....

...whomever you damn please. Trust me, I'm still stewing over the passage of Prop. 8. Look, I know you know this, but it bears saying: As you may be our sibling/parents/child/friend or just fellow citizen, human and American, so we are yours. And all of us are changing the minds of many, little by little, even that of the President.

Any heterosexual who thinks otherwise, and voted in favor of this stupid law, is a stupid heterosexual. And that is how I'd amend your post. "Let the stupid heterosexuals decide..." Because any heterosexual who can't see the slippery slope of such a law, allowing the majority to decide such a thing, is incredibly stupid. Anyone who doesn't see gay rights, like the rights of minorities or women, as human rights, is incredibly stupid. And likely won't realize the truth even when their rights are taken away from them for whatever reason, be it the fact that they're a certain sect of no-longer-acceptable Christianity or left-handed.

We who do see this are against anyone taking away another's rights. We have to be against it. It's not just wrong, but flat out stupid to think/feel otherwise.

[Behind the Aegis]

20. But, but, but.....

"...because Romney would be SO much better for the LGBT community."

"He is obviously walking a fine line here."

"Obama is doing the best he can, and he has done more for the LGBT community than any other President."

And let's not forget the other talking points...

"Won't somebody puh-leeeeeeeeeeease think of the Supreme Court!?!"

"You never really loved him!

"Did you forget "Teh LIST?" Would you like to see it again?!"

"We have to win this election."

"You have waited this long, what is another few months?"

I am sure I missed several, feel free to add to the parade of Heterosexist remarks.

[HillWilliam]

24. And I've seen those over and over again JUST TODAY

let alone for the past three fucking years.

It has gotten tiresome. The idiots still sticking to those talking points quickly find a place on my ignore list.

[Behind the Aegis]

26. It is going to be a long few months, my friend. (BTW, loved the zoo pic.)

Today's announcement has some merit, but it also shows the evolution of President Obama on this topic is far from over. Prepared to be scolded often about not being "grateful enough."

I forgot to add two new talking points...."we are looking for a utopian society" and "a perfectionist, not a president." G-d, we're greedy!

[HillWilliam]

33. To quote Yentl, when asked "how much more could I want"

the answer is simply "more".

Nu?

[Warpy]

22. Every woman in this country knows exactly how you feel.

[Vanje]

23. I got that feeling just now

from this post. The poster is concerned .
http://www.democraticunderground.com/124088755#post61

[Behind the Aegis]

31. I feel all tingly.

Oh wait...that is just the bubbles from the soda I shot through my nose laughing at that remark.

[Marrah_G]

27. Have a cupcake

give your ignore button a work out.




Just envision their baked goods made with Ex-lax.

[Behind the Aegis]

28. LOL!!!

Given the amount of shit some are already spewing, we could have a national disaster on our hands; a real shitstorm.

[Marrah_G]

29. Just the through makes me feel better my friend

[William769]

30. Thanks for the hug,

But ignore only means they win. I won't give them that satisfaction.

[Marrah_G]

32. I just would hate to see one goad you into saying something that gets you TS'd

I like having you around.

[William769]

34. There is no one good enough on this board to make that happen.

They have tried already and failed miserably.

[mitchtv]

35. Nor I

been around a while now,

[yardwork]

36. Yeah. As a North Carolinian, I'm not in a good mood today.

One would think that people would respect the fact that a lot of us are hurting, but no, they have to go stomping around on us as usual.

I have very mixed feelings about President Obama's announcement. My feelings on it are so mixed up that I can't really figure out what to say or do.

[TriMera]

37. I've been meaning to do this all day...

[yardwork]

38. Thanks. I'll be ok. I've been married and don't plan to do it again.

It's the couples who want to get married, and their children, who are hurt by this. And all the straight couples and their kids who will be hurt by this.

[ZombieHorde]

40. I'm sorry.

We will eventually win, but the NC vote will slow us down, and hurt many people.

[Marrah_G]

41. I'm so sorry for what happened yesterday

It was SO wrong and I have no idea how we can fix it. I can't believe it was even legal for them to put on a primary ballot.

[obamanut2012]

56. Yeah, kinda makes the whole "states' rights" line

Sting even more.

[ZombieHorde]

39. Although I am personally excited, your position is very understandable,

and I support you 100%. Thank you for sharing your perspective on this.

[queerart]

42. Thank You For Saying This!.....

I like this new "fierce" side of you Mister Bill..... I do, I do, I do.... however, don't let any of the bastard haters, or Christian Terrorists trip you up though....


But this "charge ahead across the battlefield"..... with a preemptive thump is grand........


... and let me add..... your take no prisoners approach with "disruptors", and "smiling bigots" lately is heartwarming....


Thanks For All That You Do For The GLBTQI Community To Make Things Pleasant For Us All.......

[HillWilliam]

44. I've made a careful study since I first joined DU waaayyy back when

to use "Ignore" very sparingly.

Today my list has grown and grown. There's only so much ignunce I can take.

[MNBrewer]

45. IF it's good enough for women

vis a vis men and blacks vis a vis whites, it's good enough for us, right?

[MNBrewer]

49. I surely never thought this would be the case

but I think President Obama may be the Democratic Party leader that tips the party fully into the 21st century. I expected him to be our last 20th century president. I think I was wrong.

[uriel1972]

50. Just been reading stuff over on Freethoughtblogs

PZ Meyers has excoriated President for his "State's Rights" position and the fighting in the comments has been intense, but enlightening. I am now coming to the conclusion that the "State's Rights" comment and timing may make things worse for the community.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2012/05/09/at-a-certain-point-ive-just-concluded-that-for-me-personally-it-is-important-for-me-to-go-ahead-and-affirm-that-i-think-same-sex-couples-should-be-able-to-get-married/#comments

[Bohunk68]

52. I agree with Will

The thing that really bugs the shit out of me are all the comments about old geezers hurrying up and dying off. It's such a broad brush. I'm an old white geezer of 68, hence my login name and I've been on the lines fighting for gay rights since I was a teenager back in the 50's. In other words, longer than some of the people making the "hurry up and die, geezer" remarks have even been alive. I've met a lot of people in my age group who have changed their viewpoints on this issue. And, as a religious person, I resent the remarks made against us. I have been living and working within the ELCA for decades to change the church from within. Yes, the knuckle draggers are still there within the pentacostal churches, but even some of them are changing their minds. Hatred works both ways. Just last Sunday, the New Testament reading was from I John 4 -21. Go read it.

[progressoid]

53. This hetero agrees with you.

Don't sit down. Don't shut up.

K/R

[irisblue]

55. ...and hets who wanted to tell me what to do...

to quote don henley, i will not go quietly, i will not lie down". on DU, i will confront, lovingly if i can, since they are fellow dems, and if there is the slightest chance of changing an opinion/heart. if they are out&out homophobes, TOS, alert and point out in a rebuttal post when i see it.
i'm too old to put up with nonsense and my own internalized homophobia is being weeded out by you alls excellent examples.