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Zorra

(27,670 posts)
Thu May 31, 2012, 10:52 AM May 2012

Good morning, all!!! Court: Heart of gay marriage law unconstitutional

BOSTON (AP) — An appeals court ruled Thursday that the heart of a law that denies a host of federal benefits to gay married couples is unconstitutional.

The 1st U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Boston said the Defense of Marriage Act, which defines marriage as a union between a man and a woman, discriminates against married same-sex couples by denying them federal benefits.

The law was passed in 1996 at a time when it appeared Hawaii would legalize gay marriage. Since then, many states have instituted their own bans on gay marriage, while eight states have approved it, led by Massachusetts in 2004.

The appeals court agreed with a lower court judge who ruled in 2010 that the law is unconstitutional because it interferes with the right of a state to define marriage and denies married gay couples federal benefits given to heterosexual married couples, including the ability to file joint tax returns.

http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/Court-Heart-of-gay-marriage-law-unconstitutional-3594468.php#ixzz1wSWbsIR2


Lovely day, it is.
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Good morning, all!!! Court: Heart of gay marriage law unconstitutional (Original Post) Zorra May 2012 OP
Two things... Fearless May 2012 #1
This is a federal court ruling, 1st U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. Zorra May 2012 #2
I mean United States Supreme Judicial Court Fearless May 2012 #3
Oh, sorry. The Massachussets high court Zorra May 2012 #4
Not at all. Fearless May 2012 #5
Appeals are time limited Ms. Toad May 2012 #6
Very true... Fearless May 2012 #7
If I was in charge of the world - Ms. Toad Jun 2012 #11
That graphic is awesome! nt Zorra Jun 2012 #9
It's been making the rounds among my FB friends. n/t Ms. Toad Jun 2012 #10
I hope Paul Wellstone is turning in his grave for having voted for that bill. MNBrewer May 2012 #8

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
1. Two things...
Thu May 31, 2012, 10:54 AM
May 2012

Hopefully, this case takes it time to get picked up by the SJC or else that they reject hearing it. But for now, this is great, great news!

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
2. This is a federal court ruling, 1st U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.
Thu May 31, 2012, 11:03 AM
May 2012

The SJC is a state court, isn't it?

Higher court normally trumps lower court in precedents.

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
3. I mean United States Supreme Judicial Court
Thu May 31, 2012, 06:37 PM
May 2012

Not the state SJC. State courts could indeed NOT take up this case.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
4. Oh, sorry. The Massachussets high court
Thu May 31, 2012, 07:17 PM
May 2012

is commonly called the SJC.

Since this case involved Massacussetts, I thought that's what you meant.

Ms. Toad

(33,992 posts)
6. Appeals are time limited
Thu May 31, 2012, 08:41 PM
May 2012

A writ of certiorari must generally be filed within 90 days of the judgment. So the timing is relatively fixed. Since these cases started being pushed in California and Massachusetts, I've been worried that they were just a hair too soon (since bad law is harder to get rid of than it is to make new law on a blank slate). Our adoption case made bad law in two districts in Ohio, and we opted out of pushing it farther to avoid making bad law for the entire state when it became clear the Ohio Supreme Court was not inclined to rule in our favor.

But these cases may not be as much too soon as I was worried they might be. I predicted in 2008 that marriage equality would be achieved within 10 years, and I still think we're on track. I do think we need a few more states, and a few more years without mass destruction of heterosexual marriages occurring in those states (do I really need to add ) before I would be confident of the outcome.

This particular piece of DOMA, however, has a pretty good chance of being overturned. It is essentially a states' rights case. States have always had the freedom to define marriage. If the state in which you were married said you were married - you were also married in the eyes of the feds, and all of the rights/obligations associated with marriages applied to you. DOMA created a glaring exception that tromped all over states' rights to define marriage. You have to do some pretty hard gyrations to favor state's rights, yet deny them the right to define marriage. Not impossible, but Supreme Court Justices - just like everyone else - sees the writing on the wall, and this is a relatively small (in the big picture) change they can make to both honor state's rights and not look too stupid 40 years from now:



I don't think this Supreme Court is ready to overturn all of DOMA - but I do think there is a pretty good chance that it may be ready to with respect to the states' rights portion of DOMA.

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
7. Very true...
Thu May 31, 2012, 10:27 PM
May 2012

However, another law suit can be brought up at any time. There are several dozen in fact in the system already in a variety of states. This is a good first step though because it provides precedence that future rulings can be based around.

Ms. Toad

(33,992 posts)
11. If I was in charge of the world -
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 07:57 AM
Jun 2012

This is exactly the lawsuit I'd bring, and the timing is about right.

Some of the others reach too far for right now (in my not so humble (at least on this issue) opinion).

MNBrewer

(8,462 posts)
8. I hope Paul Wellstone is turning in his grave for having voted for that bill.
Thu May 31, 2012, 10:53 PM
May 2012

and continues turning until marriage equality is the law of the land.

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