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Pab Sungenis

(9,612 posts)
Wed Jun 26, 2013, 12:19 PM Jun 2013

DOMA had no severability clause!

Nowadays, bills are usually written with "severability clauses," which state that if one section of the statute is struck down, the others remain in effect. This became a major issue during the fight against the Affordable Care Act, because ACA had no severability clause so the Court could have killed the entire thing with just one ruling against one part of it.

I just went back and reviewed the text of DOMA. It had no severability clause!

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/104/hr3396/text


SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
SEC. 2. POWERS RESERVED TO THE STATES.
SEC. 3. DEFINITION OF MARRIAGE.


No severability. I didn't bother to quote the whole thing, even though it's only one page. Go read it for yourself to verify.

So even though the Courts have ruled that Section III is unconstitutional, the entire Act died today. In fact, the full text of the Windsor decision at http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/12pdf/12-307_g2bh.pdf specifically states that "the statute" is invalidated, not just Section 3.

That means that full faith and credit comes into play! We won the whole enchilada, although it might take a couple of other court cases to force some states' hands.
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DOMA had no severability clause! (Original Post) Pab Sungenis Jun 2013 OP
+1 pinto Jun 2013 #1
"DOMA is unconstitutional as a deprivation of the equal liberty of persons that is protected by the PoliticAverse Jun 2013 #2
Yep, and later on it specifically states Pab Sungenis Jun 2013 #10
I missed that! HillWilliam Jun 2013 #17
I have been saying about the same thing all morning, but no one seems to be listening to me. William769 Jun 2013 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author PoliticAverse Jun 2013 #13
Kick! MotherPetrie Jun 2013 #4
Interesting customerserviceguy Jun 2013 #5
K&R Sherman A1 Jun 2013 #6
Unfortunately - Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #7
But without severability Pab Sungenis Jun 2013 #9
Not necessarily. Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #11
Maybe I'm not getting this right, but... last1standing Jun 2013 #8
Intermediate scrutiny. n/t Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #12
Fair enough. last1standing Jun 2013 #14
The really important thing is that they did NOT use rational basis. Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #15
I bet they'll let that slide MNBrewer Jun 2013 #16
 

Pab Sungenis

(9,612 posts)
10. Yep, and later on it specifically states
Wed Jun 26, 2013, 01:09 PM
Jun 2013

"the statute" is invalid, not just "the section of the statute."

They struck down the whole thing.

William769

(55,144 posts)
3. I have been saying about the same thing all morning, but no one seems to be listening to me.
Wed Jun 26, 2013, 12:28 PM
Jun 2013

I hope you have better luck.

Response to William769 (Reply #3)

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
5. Interesting
Wed Jun 26, 2013, 12:31 PM
Jun 2013

It will take a few Federal judges to fully knock this down. But the foundation has clearly been laid for doing that.

Ms. Toad

(34,058 posts)
7. Unfortunately -
Wed Jun 26, 2013, 12:46 PM
Jun 2013

What the court did was to affirm the holding of the Second Circuit - which only struck down Section III. It may have used sloppy language (as well s some really wonderful language for future challenges), but it is limited to affirming the Second Circuit's opinion.

Ms. Toad

(34,058 posts)
11. Not necessarily.
Wed Jun 26, 2013, 01:11 PM
Jun 2013

That clause (or its absence) can be treated as just a formality, and I don't know if the Second Circuit analyzed that or not. I do know that it only found the third section unconstitutional, and the holding of the Supreme Court was that the Second Circuit decision was affirmed.

last1standing

(11,709 posts)
8. Maybe I'm not getting this right, but...
Wed Jun 26, 2013, 12:57 PM
Jun 2013

It seems that the lack of a severability clause doesn't force the SCOTUS (or lower federal courts) to invalidate the entire law; it only allows them to do so if they choose. As you said, the ACA didn't have a severability clause but the Court still held that one part of the act could be severed from the rest leaving the remainder as good law. I'm afraid today's ruling was of the same ilk.

Sadly, while I think today's Windsor ruling was a giant step in the right direction, I think that if Kennedy had been willing to strike down the entire act, we would have seen a different holding today. Unfortunately, Kennedy still wants to sit on the fence a bit and was unwilling to destroy the entire law. Like Loving v. Virginia, it will probably take a SCOTUS ruling banning discrimination for the whole thing to go down.

I do believe that the entirety of DOMA will be struck down, but full faith and credit will have to wait for another day. What SCOTUS did today was decide that sexual orientation issues will be held to strict scrutiny review. This will be the eventual downfall for discriminatory laws like Sec. II of DOMA once it is argued that these laws have no proper state interest while intruding into the equal rights of individuals.

Again, I could be wrong - and I hope I am - but it looks like Sec. II is still the law of the land.

last1standing

(11,709 posts)
14. Fair enough.
Wed Jun 26, 2013, 01:19 PM
Jun 2013

For many purposes intermediate scrutiny looks a lot like strict scrutiny just as rational basis is often indecipherable from arbitrary or capricious, but you are correct, marriage equality will now be held to an intermediate scrutiny standard. At the Supreme Court level, that can make a difference.

ETA: It should also be noted that the Supreme Court has also blurred the line between intermediate and strict scrutiny in discussing issues of sex. See Mississippi University for Women v. Hogan, 458 U.S. 718 (1982). So maybe today's ruling will be functionally the same. Let's hope.

Ms. Toad

(34,058 posts)
15. The really important thing is that they did NOT use rational basis.
Wed Jun 26, 2013, 03:47 PM
Jun 2013

But yes, adjacent levels of scrutiny are often hard - at least on a delving into the cases basis - to distingush.

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