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(149,588 posts)GeorgeGist
(25,319 posts)"In 1886 the nation's capital hosted a remarkable cultural ambassador. The "Zuni maiden" named We'wha mingled with "the most enlightened society of the metropolis," demonstrated arts and crafts, befriended the Speaker of the House and other dignitaries, and appeared in a major charity event to the "deafening applause" of an audience that included President Grover Cleveland. Although he was the "tallest, certainly the strongest" member of his tribe, and despite his "rather large" features, no one in Washington doubted that We'wha was a woman. It was a long way from the dusty pueblo in New Mexico where We'wha lived as a traditional Zuni berdache - a man who preferred women's work and adopted female dress. But for such an individual exceptional behavior was expected. Zunis believed that men skilled at women's crafts (and women skilled in male activities) combined the two sexes. This made them extraordinary in every respect."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We'wha
pangaia
(24,324 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Triana
(22,666 posts)"
A feminine male who preferred to do women's work (gathering wild plants or farming domestic plants) was logically expected to marry a masculine male, who did men's work (hunting and warfare). Because a family needed both plant foods and meat, a masculine female hunter, in turn, usually married a feminine female, to provide these complementary gender roles for economic survival. The gender-conforming spouse of two-spirit people did not see themselves as "homosexual" or as anything other than "normal".In the 20th-century, as homophobic European Christian influences increased among many Native Americans, respect for same-sex love and for androgynous persons greatly declined. Two-spirit people were often forced, either by government officials, Christian missionaries or their own community, to conform to standard gender roles. Some, who could not conform, either went underground or committed suicide. With the imposition of Euro-American marriage laws, same-sex marriages between two-spirit people and their spouses were no longer legally recognised. But with the revitalisation of Native American "red power" cultural pride since the 60s, and the rise of gay and lesbian liberation movements at the same time, a new respect for androgyny started slowly re-emerging among American Indian people.
SOURCE: http://www.theguardian.com/music/2010/oct/11/two-spirit-people-north-america
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Makes me wonder how it is that religions which teach such hate manage to persuade so many.
I love the traditional Native American understanding.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)They manipulate, extort and crush spirits to do what they do.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Yes. True.
calimary
(81,220 posts)Sometimes just damn discouraging. I keep thinking about that prayer - "Dear Lord, please protect me from your followers!"
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Positive philosophies crushed by authoritarian power throughout history.
Liberals--the people who believe in compassion and respect for life of ALL kinds--must never give up. I'm glad the interwebz breaks down the isolation that kept us separated and weak.
Strength in numbers!
Isoldeblue
(1,135 posts)Your post really struck a chord with me. I am a direct product of organized religion (brought up in a whacko non-denominational, evangelical, fundamentalist church), that has taken me years of therapy to heal my warped sense of God and myself.
The American Indians have the purest beliefs that benefit nature and seven generations ahead of their current one. How sad we didn't take many lessons from them, on top of the horrendous violence we perpetrated on them. It is a stain that can never be erased.
Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)By Threats. ie. If during the span of your existence in the material plane (evidently, conception to death), you commit a single infraction through intent or ignorance (evidently, by action or thought) you will be punished. A moments weakness earns 14 trillion years+ of torture by fire, ice, and dismemberment; because Jesus loves you.
Bozvotros
(785 posts)You may sin like a mofo right up to the end of your life. Rob, steal, rape, brutalize even kill people as long as before you die you believe (or say you believe) something along the lines of this.......
God, split himself into three parts and one of those parts came down to earth. Despite creating the entire universe including the human race to whom he gave free will, apparently had no choice himself except to have this part he sent to earth, brutally tortured and killed in the bloodiest way possible because the God parts still in heaven, needed to have a blood sacrifice of sufficient horror to atone for the humans they made fucking up and especially for not believing in him/them. if he didn't have himself killed like this he would also have no choice but to torture everyone who ever lived who didn't believe or say they believed this for 14 trillion years. There's also a talking snake,, a flood that kills everyone, talking fiery bushes, cannibalistic rituals, zombies and blood up to a horses eye.
I hope that was helpful.
The Wielding Truth
(11,415 posts)RetiredTrotskyite
(1,507 posts)cntrygrl
(356 posts)calimary
(81,220 posts)Glad you're here! This is a wonderful perspective I wish this country would take into account more often. Our tribal people have been so wretchedly treated! And they have so much to offer us and to teach us.
cntrygrl
(356 posts)tried to learn more about the Native Americans and when I read about the Two Spirit people (about 15 years ago) I couldn't understand why it took me so long to find these facts.
It seems the more I learn, the more I'm ashamed of my heritage (both parents German) and can't help but wonder if ancestors on my fathers side had treated your people badly. My first ancestor here was in 1750, Pennsylvania.
As a teenager I began turning against organized religion. Again, the more I learned the more I pulled away. Christianity has a horrid history and I will never understand why anyone would belong to it.
cntrygrl
(356 posts)"Henry Hudson and The Algonquins of New York." Throughout my life I have been very interested in the First People and since I was born in the Catskills of NY (Ellenville) I thought I could learn more. Have you heard of this? A wonderful book by an author, Evan T. Pritchard, who is Algonquin/Celtic descent. I wasn't prepared for the vast amount of knowledge it offers.
joesdaughter
(243 posts)tosh
(4,423 posts)Thanks for posting this...and thanks for replies 2 & 4, too.
I'm truly glad to learn of this.
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)Scruffy Rumbler
(961 posts)Weinkte, wienkta dance with me!
Thank you, Will for this uplifting and much needed reminder of who we have been for millions of people, over thousands of years....sacred, loved and loving people that bring and keep balance in the family, in the tribe and in nations.
Change has come
(2,372 posts)grilled onions
(1,957 posts)Instead of tolerating those who do not believe as they do they spend all their time condemning them,trying to shame them to change them. Everyone is expected to live as they do. It makes little difference if they are not harming anyone or any community. The hateful continue to press--to force their will and ideals onto others. It is truly sad to read that many ended up committing suicide because of some narrow minded bigots in our history's past. We are all the poorer for it.
Isoldeblue
(1,135 posts)Despite the fact that they were not considered to be living as civilly as us (whatever the F that means), their humanity and love of life and nature, far surpasses us "white settler's" notion and ideals by unimaginably, relative numbers. They put us "civilians" to shame.
Plantaganet
(241 posts)Wherever this quote originated from - I want to hear more. Thank you.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)At least you do if you read DU.
I am glad to now know this.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)mountain grammy
(26,619 posts)me b zola
(19,053 posts)Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)for nature and respect for females. It's time for the worm to turn again.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)And again, I say: !!
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)sheshe2
(83,746 posts)gopiscrap
(23,756 posts)tblue
(16,350 posts)I had no idea.
Rebellious Republican
(5,029 posts)4dsc
(5,787 posts)Good post.
lupinella
(365 posts)Hekate
(90,645 posts)When I read The Chalice and the Blade lo these many years ago, the concept of the paradigm shift struck me as it did so many others: Perpetual war is not universal, subjugation of women is not universal; there are other ways of living. We can choose to re-create our culture. We have so much to learn from others.