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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 01:47 PM Dec 2013

Anti-LGBT cardinal: Catholic church isn’t anti-gay and was ‘out-marketed’ on same sex marriage

Anti-LGBT cardinal: Catholic church isn’t anti-gay and was ‘out-marketed’ on same sex marriage

By David Ferguson
Saturday, November 30, 2013 15:24 EST

Catholic Cardinal Timothy Dolan said in an interview on Friday that the Catholic Church is “caricatured” as anti-LGBT, but actually isn’t. He went on to say that the institution got “out-marketed” by same sex marriage advocates, a fact that he “regrets.”

Dolan was taping an appearance on “Meet the Press,” which is scheduled to air on Sunday, but excerpts appeared Friday in the New York Times. The 63-year-old cardinal of the Archdiocese of New York appeared to be trying to rehabilitate his formerly fire-breathing stance against same sex relationships and the people who practice them.

“We’re pro-marriage, we’re pro-traditional marriage, we’re not anti-anybody,” he said of the Catholic church to interviewer David Gregory.


He went on to say that the U.S. is engaging in a “stampede” to legalize same sex marriage, “and I regret that.”

When Gregory asked Dolan if the question is settled, then, he replied, “No. I don’t think it is. Uh-uh.”

However, he said, to paint the church as completely anti-LGBT is unjust and a “caricature” of what he feels is a nuanced stance in favor of one kind of marriage over another.

In the past, Dolan has said that same sex marriage will cause the destruction of civilization. In March of 2011, he preached against New York City’s LGBT Pride celebration, saying, “I think society and culture is at its peril if we presume to tamper with what has been given and already cherished through the history of civilization.”

Columnist Paul Brandeis Raushenbush at Huffington Post wrote, “First of all, marketing isn’t the problem. We know where the Catholic Church bishops stand on the issue as they have been engaged in a full on anti-gay marriage campaign including a recent exorcism against gay marriage in Illinois and using communion as a hostage against same sex marriage in New Jersey, not to mention the firing of a lesbian teacher from a Catholic school in Arkansas after her same sex marriage.”

“Let’s just be very clear here,” wrote Raushenbush, “if you are against marriage equality you are anti-gay.”

Pope Francis has angered and alienated many on the right by appearing to soften the church’s virulently anti-LGBT stance. Rather than openly fight the message of Christian tolerance coming from the Vatican, Dolan may be attempting to soften the public’s perception of the church as an institution of historically monolithic bigotry run by child molesters.

“Meet the Press” airs each Sunday on NBC.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/11/30/anti-lgbt-cardinal-catholic-church-isnt-anti-gay-and-was-out-marketed-on-same-sex-marriage/

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Anti-LGBT cardinal: Catholic church isn’t anti-gay and was ‘out-marketed’ on same sex marriage (Original Post) DonViejo Dec 2013 OP
It's not as though people aren't aware of the political stance of the RCC on this issue! MNBrewer Dec 2013 #1
When Dolan openly urges his parishioners to.... Swede Atlanta Dec 2013 #2
I suppose it's only "really" anti-gay if they call for extermination? n/t Old Union Guy Dec 2013 #3
Sorry Cardinal, but bullshit. Amimnoch Dec 2013 #4

MNBrewer

(8,462 posts)
1. It's not as though people aren't aware of the political stance of the RCC on this issue!
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 03:31 PM
Dec 2013

People are very well aware of it, and have rejected it!

 

Swede Atlanta

(3,596 posts)
2. When Dolan openly urges his parishioners to....
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 03:51 PM
Dec 2013

stop shopping at Wal-Mart and stop voting for Republicons he can have his say...

Until then STFU...we could care less what "beanie-boy" has to say. Enough said.

 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
4. Sorry Cardinal, but bullshit.
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 04:33 PM
Dec 2013

His words of "We’re pro-marriage, we’re pro-traditional marriage, we’re not anti-anybody" would ring true if traditional marriage was actually being attacked. Nobody has made any move to block, stop, curb the rights of heterosexual marriage. Gay marriage in no way, shape, or form reduces heterosexual marriage rights.

If he didn't want to take any part in the debate on our human rights, then he could claim that he wasn't "anti-anybody", but he didn't. He, and his kind have used their pulpits to decry our rights, and that IS anti-gay marriage no matter how he wants to phrase it.

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