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stone space

(6,498 posts)
6. Gun nuts here at DU.
Mon May 9, 2016, 08:50 AM
May 2016

They put up a poll yesterday comparing unarmed Transexuals with deadly weapons in the gungeon, which fortunately got hidden.

I have a thread about it in GD, but it's currently being spammed and hijacked by a Zimmerman supporter.

Trans folks are not deadly weapons. The comparison is dehumanizing.




(29,503 posts)
3. Reminds me of that Pat Schroeder anecdote; she had some kind of human rights meeting
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 12:12 PM
Mar 2016

at the UN, and as she entered with her entourage, she quipped, "I have two gay men with me, and I'm not afraid to use them!"

Now SHE is a woman I would have loved to see run for President. Really miss her.


stone space

(6,498 posts)
7. Have you ever been out dining, and had somebody leave upon sight of you?
Mon May 9, 2016, 09:31 AM
May 2016
im confused

what are you referring to?

My wife and I have.

We were both unarmed. (Of course! We were in a restaurant, for God's sake!)

Three years ago, my wife and I celebrated our 16th Anniversary with a trip to Chicago and Niagara falls.

We got married in 1996, but we never actually had a honeymoon back then, so this was our big chance.

While in Chicago, we stopped at a Pizza Place.

Anyway, there were tables on the street in front of the place, so we sat there. So did a guy with what appeared to be his two sons. The waiter came around to his table and took his order. Soon after that, they all looked towards us, and gave us dirty looks. They got up and left without paying, after giving their order to the waiter, and just left the menus on the table, leaving the waiter to wonder what had happened.

They acted like we had AR-15s strapped to our backs or something, the way that they looked at us and scurried out of there after seeing us.

I mean, what were they so afraid of?

Just because we are an interracial couple?

We were unarmed.

How were we a danger to anybody?

Yet, some of the Zimmerman-supporting gunhumpers here on DU make a point of going around and comparing Black folks like my wife to deadly weapons, and it is offensive and racist in the extreme, the same way that they compare unarmed gay folks to deadly weapons.

It is no less offensive when directed towards gays or transsexuals.

... Otherwise every racist who thinks that a black person might rob them could walk out of every restaurant with a black patron.


The common point...

... is that both are legal and have every right to be in the public space and thus are illegitimate reasons to steal and walk out on a tab because an individual has a hang up about them.


I'm not sure how to make this any simpler....

Things don't have to be exactly the same to share commonalities...

One thing that guns and black people have in common is that they are legally permitted in the public space.


People can develop irrational fear or hatred of both

And indeed they do.

I am sure racists will fill you fill of anecdotes of how dangerous black folks are just like the anti-gun folks here do about gun owners, and will probably quote the cherry picked statistics that support their irrational fears just like anti-gun folks do.

Its actually a remarkably similar pattern of behavior...


Not at all

I simply pointed out that anti-gun folks and racists follow the same pattern in their behaviors.

But I can understand how you would scream racism when its pointed out that your behavior is remarkably similar to that of racists.... because you can't dispute that the pattern is there in the same kind of irrational fear and hatred. If you took any gun thread on DU and replaced "ammosexual" and "gunners" and the rest of those terms with racist epitaphs the posts would be right at home over on stormfront.

In fact the whole premise of this post, leaving an establishment that serves the kind of people you have an irrational fear of and demanding they no longer serve them if they want to to return, is a shining example of how the south worked in the 1950's with race.... its the exact same way racists think and work.


And people develop irrational fears of both

And people with irrational fears or hatred of gun owners behave just like people with irrational fears and hatred of minorities

A person refusing to stay in a restaurant because a person walked in with a holstered pistol is just as irrational as a person who leaves the same establishment because a group of black people who look like "thugs" walks in.


he fails to see the

similarity of those two arguments. Really should look in the mirror over his irrational fear of people. I guess the gun might just get out and start firing without that person touching it. Two people, two irrational fears.


I'm a litigation attorney and do not own any firearms.

See my Post #172.

In response to your prior comments, you are certainly free not to patronize an establishment that permits firearms on premises, open or concealed. However, failure to pay for your meal is still criminal and civil theft. Your generalized fear or dislike of firearms, without a clear demonstration that the individual carrying such a firearm was actually breaking the law or otherwise directly threatened anyone (which would in fact be illegal), would not be a legally recognized or viable defense to theft. Your fear would be no different than a situation where patrons "dined and dashed" simply because purportedly "scary" young black males with low riding pants listening to hip hop entered the restaurant.


No, I understand what is actually a threat and what is not

From both a logical standpoint and one of how the law reads.

Run out without paying for a meal because someone has a gun in a holster and the owners of the establishment will rightfully call the police, who will pull you over, take you back to the scene and give the owner of the establishment the decision if they want to press charges or not if you pay.

And when its all over they won't say "I shouldn't allow guns" they will say "that person was a real kook".

What if some racist ran out without paying because a bunch of black people came in and they "felt threatened"? It the exact same absence of logic as you are showing just applied to different people.....


Well by all means.

If your delicate sensibilities are scared, you should probably run away.

Living in fear is no way to live.

I guess if a clown comes in, you can leave without paying? People are "truly scared" of clowns.

Maybe if there is a spider in the restaurant? People are "truly scared" of spiders.

Maybe if there is a black man in the restaurant? After all, some people are "truly scared" of "them."


Part of being in a society is accepting that not everyone is exactly like us and learning to live together. Not being scared of everything.


This is what DU's gunhumpers see when they look at unarmed Gay folks, unarmed Trans folks and unarmed Black folks:


(470 posts)
8. im a bisexual gun owner
Mon May 9, 2016, 09:10 PM
May 2016

if you're rude to me because im at a restaurant with my firearms or my boyfriend, that makes you an asshole.

those people that walked out of the restaurant because you're wife was black, were assholes.


stone space

(6,498 posts)
9. Running for our lives from assholes out on dinner dates with their guns is not rude.
Mon May 9, 2016, 11:41 PM
May 2016

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im a bisexual gun owner

if you're rude to me because im at a restaurant with my firearms or my boyfriend, that makes you an asshole.

those people that walked out of the restaurant because you're wife was black, were assholes.

Leaving a restaurant because there is a interracial couple eating there is just being a racist asshole.

There's a difference.

It's not the same thing.

Guns don't have human rights.

People have a right to run for their lives from guns.

That's a fundamental human right.

Nobody is required to just sit there in a restaurant and wait to be shot.

You do see the difference between guns and people, don't you?

There's a huge difference between me being out on a dinner date with my wife, and me being out on a dinner date with a gun.

Just like there is huge difference between being you being out on a dinner date with your boyfriend, and you being out on a dinner date with a gun.

One is a human being, and the other is a deadly weapon.

It is dehumanizing for human beings to be treated like deadly weapons.

stone space

(6,498 posts)
10. Well, certainly gunhumpers do get upset by things like the open carry of dildos.
Sat May 14, 2016, 02:49 PM
May 2016
Well, I don't use the term "ammosexual," though many here do.

So some caution might indeed be warranted when speaking to ammosexuals face-to-face.

It does seem to bother them, for some reason.

Just look at how they reacted to the planned #CocksNotGlocks open carry protest at the University of Texas.

Gun nuts freak out over Texas students’ #CocksNotGlocks open carry protest — and it’s awesome

University of Texas students announced a plan to openly carry dildos in response to a new “campus carry” law that takes effect next year.

The Facebook page for the group Campus (DILDO) Carry has since been flooded with abuse, which moderators are leaving in place to show the kind of aggressive hostility open carry zealots display when they find out they’re being mocked.


The group’s Facebook bio explains that guns will be legal on Texas campuses, but sex toys are not.

“The State of Texas has decided that it is not at all obnoxious to allow deadly concealed weapons in classrooms,” said Jin, “however it DOES have strict rules about free sexual expression, to protect your innocence. You would receive a citation for taking a DILDO to class before you would get in trouble for taking a gun to class. Heaven forbid the penis.”

The Chronicle said, “At two public forums held in the last month, dozens of UT-Austin students, faculty and staff spoke against the law, urging President Greg Fenves to severely limit campus carry at the flagship. Last week, a professor emeritus in the school’s economic department announced he would be giving up teaching over concerns about his personal safety.”

Private universities will set their own policies.

Now Jin and other supporters of the protest are getting spewed with abuse.

Jin’s private contact information has been made available online — a trolling practice called “doxxing” — and the Facebook wall has been host to statements like this from Ron Cox of Oxford, Mississippi: “I’m guessing that the organizer of this event is a huge slut. Should be funny to watch!”

“I’ve seen most of you trolls tromping around campus. If you took as much time taking care of yourselves as you do trying to make meaningless political statements, you may not need the dildos and could actually have a real, living penis waiting for you at home!” said user “Willie Nelson.”

“Anatomy of a school shooting, some liberal dipshit guns down a bunch of other liberal dipshits because he’s “opressed” or “triggered” or off his meds. Liberals respond by blaming guns and waving dildoes around……because logic. I’m really glad you freaks exist, don’t get me wrong. Everytime I get online I’m endlessly amused,” said user “Alex Drones.”

“(Y)ou dumb cunts post a page like this then report people for standing up to your pathetic bullshit?” fumed Becca Lynch of Seattle, Washington, as well as: “YOU NASTY CUNTS NEED TO BE LOCKED UP FUCKING EWWWW” as well as “This kinda shit is exactly why my daughter wont attend one of these slut colleges.”

“Maybe if Jessica Jin’s countrymen had guns there wouldn’t be millions of them rotting in unmarked graves?” said user “Romney Wordsworth.”

“Can I ask you something Jessica? Not trying to troll, this is an honest hypothetcial question. If a criminal with nothing to lose found you and held a gun to your head and said he was going to end your life right then and there, and all you had on was a dildo and some school books, would you wish you had a gun hidden on you to protect yourself?” asked Chicago’s Jim Rustles.

Neal Atkins of Waco urged the protesters to “be sure and RESIST when arrested. It makes such good headlines when a smarmy little drag worm gets offed for resisting.”




(18,318 posts)
11. Heh. Some here get peculiar pleasures which are far more important to them...
Mon May 16, 2016, 01:06 PM
May 2016

...than accomplishing anything worthwhile; certainly more important then building a "movement."


stone space

(6,498 posts)
12. They're unarmed university students, up against armed invaders on their campus.
Tue May 17, 2016, 06:18 AM
May 2016
Heh. Some here get peculiar pleasures which are far more important to them...

...than accomplishing anything worthwhile; certainly more important then building a "movement."

It's easy to criticize folks in that situation from the sidelines, but they are standing up for themselves and loudly saying, "NO!".

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