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Sun Jun 6, 2021, 12:01 PM

O/T: When the HOA prohibits you from flying a rainbow flag, do something more fabulous !!

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O/T: When the HOA prohibits you from flying a rainbow flag, do something more fabulous !!


Posted byu/memon17
4 days ago

Due to some neighbors flying BLM flags, Thin blue line flags, and other opinion flags, our HOA decided last month that we’re only allowed to fly the USA flag, and nothing else. They day after the decision, we receive an email that someone reported our Pride flag (that we had in our house since 2016), and that we needed to take it down. We complied and removed the flag. Looking through our new rules, we noticed that removable lights are permitted without restriction so... we bought 6 colored flood lights, and we washed our house in pride colors. A little less subtle than our simple flag. A lot more fun for anyone complaining about the flag itself and what it represents. If you’re interested, here’s the house now: https://imgur.com/gallery/SHSv6rd

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Reply O/T: When the HOA prohibits you from flying a rainbow flag, do something more fabulous !! (Original post)
mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2021 OP
Native Jun 2021 #1
AllaN01Bear Jun 2021 #2
PoliticAverse Jun 2021 #3
The Jungle 1 Jun 2021 #8
marble falls Jun 2021 #29
sboatcar Jun 2021 #31
marble falls Jun 2021 #32
sboatcar Jun 2021 #39
The Jungle 1 Jun 2021 #35
marble falls Jun 2021 #37
The Jungle 1 Jun 2021 #38
Woodwizard Jun 2021 #36
getagrip_already Jun 2021 #9
demigoddess Jun 2021 #14
whopis01 Jun 2021 #28
BobTheSubgenius Jun 2021 #40
happybird Jun 2021 #4
LittleGirl Jun 2021 #5
murielm99 Jun 2021 #6
titanicdave Jun 2021 #7
Volaris Jun 2021 #10
marble falls Jun 2021 #33
Wild blueberry Jun 2021 #11
George II Jun 2021 #12
renate Jun 2021 #26
Fla Dem Jun 2021 #13
GoneOffShore Jun 2021 #15
Mr.Bill Jun 2021 #16
soldierant Jun 2021 #24
Roy Rolling Jun 2021 #17
reACTIONary Jun 2021 #18
11 Bravo Jun 2021 #19
question everything Jun 2021 #20
Roy Rolling Jun 2021 #30
OldBaldy1701E Jun 2021 #21
Ferrets are Cool Jun 2021 #22
James48 Jun 2021 #23
House of Roberts Jun 2021 #25
blueinredohio Jun 2021 #27
marble falls Jun 2021 #34

Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Sun Jun 6, 2021, 12:02 PM

1. Love it!

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Sun Jun 6, 2021, 12:03 PM

2. this is why i refuse to live in a hoa developement.

i wonder if that also applies to the flags of the former guy as well. i do love the light idea though. cant ban that .

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Response to AllaN01Bear (Reply #2)

Sun Jun 6, 2021, 12:09 PM

3. "we're only allowed to fly the USA flag, and nothing else." n/t

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Response to AllaN01Bear (Reply #2)

Sun Jun 6, 2021, 01:06 PM

8. Zoning is just as bad

My community controls the cutting of trees.
I cannot build anything or cut the trees down within 100 feet of my stream. They have taken control of that land.
Dictates architecture for some homes and businesses.
Will not allow campers in front or side yards.
Want to put a new roof on get a permit.
Heater get a permit.
The zoning is so strict that putting up any building needs special exceptions. Which they charge "fees in lieu of". A completely arbitrary system that has no rules or fee schedule. The supervisors just make it up as they go and pick a number out of thin air.
Zoning in southeastern Pa is out of control.

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Response to The Jungle 1 (Reply #8)

Mon Jun 7, 2021, 07:30 AM

29. Zoning is your friend. Cutting down trees on the flood plane of a stream is a bad idea. Nothing ...

... on your list is onerous.

Building codes are your friend. For obvious reasons.

Free ranging supervisors are a problem, but they answer to an electable official, so you do have recourse.

Want this parked across the street?

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Response to marble falls (Reply #29)

Mon Jun 7, 2021, 08:13 AM

31. Its not that bad

LIving in the city, I've had worse than that. It just comes with the territory. I don't have a picture of it, but there's frequently an even bigger RV than that with a giant skull mounted on the top of it parked on my block.

I figure that you have to take the good with the bad when you don't have a ton of regulations.

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Response to sboatcar (Reply #31)

Mon Jun 7, 2021, 08:26 AM

32. I'm not looking at regulations. I thinking more along the line of consideration. It's one thing ...

... to move into that neighborhood, which is more likely to be where I'm living with a large garden, but quite another if it moves in on you.

HOAs are all about preventing that from moving in on you.

The flag thing is fucking ridiculous. Those rules can be changed. Join the HOA and run for office.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #32)

Mon Jun 7, 2021, 10:58 AM

39. It seems like HOAs bring out the worst in a lot of people

I don't see myself ever moving into a neighborhood with one.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #29)

Mon Jun 7, 2021, 09:14 AM

35. Zoning is out of control and will get worse.

I own 16 acres and I am not allowed to build homes for my children on the property!!! I have an 1100 foot driveway and zoning requires me to build a street to build more homes. Of course there are private driveways with multiple homes all over this community.
When it is time I will sell the property to the first developer who will build a street and a whole bunch of houses. The property is right next to a wooded public park and I know they want my property for open space. They won't get it.

This is America and the amount of control zoning pushes on us is sick. The thing about freedom is everybody gets to have it. The idea of house here, industry here and commercial over there is a good idea. However the idea has been perverted. I used to be involved in local zoning. I got out because of the blatant favoritism and stupid controlling laws that were being passed. It will get worse until Americans say enough and push back. It surprises me how many republicans are so deeply involved with zoning.

What you are saying is that it is ok for communities in freedom loving America to control Architecture. I strongly disagree with that. Some communities dictate what color you paint and how high your grass is. You can't plant wild flowers because they are weeds.

Should the farmer get a permit to harvest their crops? Pa. and every state pass laws at the state level to stop communities from passing restrictive laws controlling farmers. They are called right to farm laws. My trees are not community property and if the community wants to control them they should pay for the maintenance of the trees.

You can park whatever you want across the street. I live in the middle of 16 acres and I did that for a reason. What you think is ugly is another persons treasure. That is freedom.

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Response to The Jungle 1 (Reply #35)

Mon Jun 7, 2021, 09:41 AM

37. Zoning is not for anyone, it's for everyone. If your kid's house is burning, wouldn't you like a ...

... a street for the FD to bring their truck down, fire hydrants? Wouldn't you'd like to be sure the house you move into is safe, that towns are doing planning in advance for fire and life safety, don't you like to know that the buildings around yours are safe and have a certificate of occupancy, that your neighbor is crowding renters into his basement, or installing a car crusher in the backyard, that he doesn't install it smack on the property line?

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Response to marble falls (Reply #37)

Mon Jun 7, 2021, 10:25 AM

38. Some good some bad.

You point out some good things about zoning. That does not mean it is all good and it does not mean we should not protest the bad.
Community control of architecture is just plain wrong. That is a huge freedom issue.
Making me get a permit to cut MY trees is just plain wrong.
Telling me where I can park my camper is wrong.
Fees in Lieu Of is a flat out corrupt system. It is theft. It is a back door tax. My local hospital was forced to fix roads that are off site before they were given a building permit for an addition. That is corrupt.
The fire trucks can come down my driveway. I do not need a full paved road with sidewalks on both sides for two homes. That is what the zoning requires. So instead of two homes the community will get 10 or more and another road to maintain.
Building codes are not zoning.
I stated that the original idea of planning a community was a good idea. House here, industry over there etc. The thing is like always when governments get an inch they take a mile.
Zoning is just as bad as HOAs.
About 57 percent of Pennsylvania townships and boroughs have a municipal zoning ordinance. If it is so critical how do these other communities operate. They seem to be doing just fine.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #29)

Mon Jun 7, 2021, 09:37 AM

36. If my neighbor had one of those that is their business.

I agree on zoning for safe construction I live in the NYC watershed what you can and cannot do is controlled for the watershed that is fine for obvious environmental reasons. What neighbors do with their yard after that is none of my business.

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Response to AllaN01Bear (Reply #2)

Sun Jun 6, 2021, 01:07 PM

9. Easy to ban.....

They just need to change the rules in a way that won't ban all lights. They can ban multi colored lights, though that would impact holiday decorations.

Or they could simply ban any lighting meant to convey a political message.

Unfortunately they will find a way.

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Response to getagrip_already (Reply #9)

Sun Jun 6, 2021, 02:49 PM

14. well, they could paint their car or put a painted flag on it. or wear rainbow clothes.

I would work to find a way if I were them. We don't have an HOA but our kids do. They hate it.

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Response to demigoddess (Reply #14)

Mon Jun 7, 2021, 06:44 AM

28. You would be surprised how far an HOA can go

I’m sure you are correct about the clothes - but perhaps not the car. Some neighborhoods around here actually restrict what type of vehicle you can have, unless it is kept in a closed garage. And they have restrictions about signage / messages / decorations / etc on vehicles.

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Response to AllaN01Bear (Reply #2)

Mon Jun 7, 2021, 11:05 AM

40. I'm not sure what kind of "governing authority" controls this neighbourhood near (ish) to my house.

The restrictions are quite surprising, at times, though. Sometimes, the rulings are very understandable - a super-rich family had two proposed "improvements" denied while they were building their new home - a helipad and an electrified fence. Who wouldn't be in favour of not having those in your neighbourhood?

But some of the others are quite objectionable, at least to me. Want to paint your house? There is an approved, very limited colour palette from which to choose. Need a new roof? It MUST be cedar shakes, despite how poor the quality is now, compared to when they were cut from old growth trees. Expensive as hell, too.

Also, no clotheslines, no boats, no RVs. If you want to sell your home, the realtor's sign has to conform to the colour palette, as well.

This is an area of very chi-chi single-family homes, where the floor of the market is at least $2 million.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Sun Jun 6, 2021, 12:30 PM

4. That looks great! n/t

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Sun Jun 6, 2021, 12:36 PM

5. Love This! eom

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Sun Jun 6, 2021, 12:57 PM

6. I love it!

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Sun Jun 6, 2021, 01:04 PM

7. .....That is so very cool......

.....Let them try to turn out the lights ......great response to the HOA!!!

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Sun Jun 6, 2021, 01:14 PM

10. Theres a thesis paper to be written about the direct drawn line between the idea of the HOA,

and the election of Donald John Trump.

Just cause no ones done it yet, doesnt mean it isnt correct lol.

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Response to Volaris (Reply #10)

Mon Jun 7, 2021, 08:29 AM

33. An HOA is a ToS agreement. If you don't like the terms, change them or don't move in. Just like DU.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Sun Jun 6, 2021, 01:47 PM

11. Well played!

And it's beautiful.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Sun Jun 6, 2021, 01:52 PM

12. Remember this the night the Supreme Court ruled in favor of gay marriage?

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Response to George II (Reply #12)

Sun Jun 6, 2021, 09:27 PM

26. I do! So heartwarming and loving

I was so proud of our president!!

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Sun Jun 6, 2021, 02:02 PM

13. Brilliant!! And outstanding Too!!

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Sun Jun 6, 2021, 02:55 PM

15. Great stuff! Hope they don't go all weird on them.

Our co-propriete (basically a condo) allows plants on the balconies. That's it.
No flags, no barbecue grills, no laundry, and the awnings all have to be the same colour.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Sun Jun 6, 2021, 03:45 PM

16. The same rule that prohibits rainbow flags

also prohibits Trump flags, so there is that.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #16)

Sun Jun 6, 2021, 06:57 PM

24. And "Confederate" flags.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Sun Jun 6, 2021, 04:11 PM

17. Lovely

So gay looking!

As in, happy, whimsical, fun. 😂😂🌈

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Sun Jun 6, 2021, 04:13 PM

18. My bet is that it wouldn't withstand....

... a court challenge on first amendment. Basically because the flags mention all have significant political relevance. I don't think you alienate your free speech rights through an hoa contract.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Sun Jun 6, 2021, 04:53 PM

19. Genius! K&R

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Sun Jun 6, 2021, 05:05 PM

20. Most HOA would not allow you to have the house colour that are not approved

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Response to question everything (Reply #20)

Mon Jun 7, 2021, 07:32 AM

30. True

But if it says “house paint” there’s a loophole.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Sun Jun 6, 2021, 05:45 PM

21. H.O.A.

Hellish Orwellian Assholes.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Sun Jun 6, 2021, 06:02 PM

22. One reason I will NEVER live in a neighborhood with a HOA.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Sun Jun 6, 2021, 06:36 PM

23. Works for me!

Thanks for following HOA guidelines.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Sun Jun 6, 2021, 08:21 PM

25. How would rainbow curtains look in those nice big windows?

They could be backlit from inside to really be visible from the street.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Mon Jun 7, 2021, 05:17 AM

27. Looks so cool and a very smart idea. Good for you.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Mon Jun 7, 2021, 08:31 AM

34. It's gorgeous. I'd do it on my house and I identify 'straight'.

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