How to Explain Mansplaining *Feminist Group*

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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/21/opinion/how-to-explain-mansplaining.html?_r=0

The manologue takes many forms, but is characterized by the proffering of words not asked for, of views not solicited and of arguments unsought. It is underwritten by the doubtful assumption that the audience will naturally be interested, and that this interest will not flag. And that when it comes to speeches or commentary, longer is better.

The prevalence of the manologue is deeply rooted in the fact that men take, and are allocated, more time to talk in almost every professional setting. Women self-censor, edit, apologize for speaking. Men expound.

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It is also clear that the more powerful men become, the more they speak. This would seem a natural correlation, but the same is not true for women. The reason for this, according to a Yale study, is because women worry about “negative consequences” — that is, a backlash — if they are more voluble. Troublingly, the study found that their fears were well founded, as both male and female listeners were quick to think these women were talking too much, too aggressively. In other words, men are rewarded for speaking, while women are punished.

The problem is global and endemic across all media. Female characters speak less in Disney films today than they used to — even princesses get a minority of the speaking lines in films in which they’re the principal: In the 2013 animated movie “Frozen,” for example, male characters get 59 percent of the lines. A quick search for best monologues in film or movies reveals that they are almost all male. If you took Princess Leia out of “Star Wars,” the total speaking time for female characters is 63 seconds out of the original trilogy’s 386 minutes.

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[gollygee]

1. OH, this reminds me of a joke my daughter told me the other day

Where does a mansplainer get water?

From the "well, actually. . ."

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2. Hahahahahahaha

I was afraid to check this reply, thinking it was an actual "Well, actually..." lololol That is beautiful.

[northernsouthern]

3. Hillary spoke longest in several of the debates.

http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/10/13/448406783/on-the-clock-the-biggest-talkers-of-tonights-debate

I have female family members that were professional story tellers, all they did was talk. Our current second in command at our work is a woman, the boss hates talking in public and meetings, she does all of it in my bubble...I also listen to Democracy now so only a woman most of the time (and she rocks). I can't really comment on the deeper business world, I could see a horribly sexist word there, same in male dominated professions like welding and such (had a teacher that was a welder and had some horror stories). But the part that stood out to me was Frozen. I really don't want to re-watch it, most of the male characters sucked int that movie, they were as shallow and bland. I can't see how any had a good line, and that song would seem to be best line...it is a musical. I wonder if it is true. But her one line ,"A quick search for best monologues in film or movies reveals that they are almost all male." seems way too vague and also that the search results may vary depending on location and one's search history (if they are logged in), more so that she is saying all films ever? But I would think that in Brave, Tangled, Little Mermaid, Kiki, Totoro, Howl's, Spritied, the female's have a larger speaking part, and a far better character. Some of the best character's speak far less, since brevity is the soul of wit and all such as Zatoichi, Motoko Kusanagi, Ripley, Amelie (best movie ever), Nakita, Pale Rider guy (Heck in V Evey was given more of a role than she had in the comic and made far better). I also love the Sarah Silverman Show, Amy, Broad, Nurse, Orange...there are a ton of Current powerful series out with the protagonist that are female. Video games...I would say there is a lack of them in some areas (Okami is Amaterasu, a wolf goddess, and she rocked, also Beyond good and evil was amazing...not tossing all of hte gamer world under the bus since as those two show some of the best games ever do break gender walls in the industry). I will agree that it used to suck for women, they had much worse roles, but as time has advanced I think as I cited that we have tons of powerful women in shows that put many male characters to shame. I don't think it is even yet since WTF did they not make a Wonder-woman movie earlier?!? But I feel she is parsing words a bit to get to Frozen. Also...

We find a substantial gender gap in voice and authority, but as hypothesized, it disappears under unanimous rule and few women, or under majority rule and many women. Deliberative design can avoid inequality by fitting institutional procedure to the social context of the situation.

The article she cited is locked, but it seems it may be saying if the group is more women then it is not as much of an issue or a non issue?

I guess it is an opinion piece so it does not need to cite the stats, but I always hate mansplaining, since it is in itself a bit divisive. I understand the idea behind it, but it seems as rude or dismissive as a guy that say's "it is a female thing". Just a tad to blanket of a term. I liked parts of the article though, as a guy I know I don't see half of the issues as well, also I really don't want to watch frozen again since it is a bit weak...also this...

Pretty much sums up the issues I had with the movie.

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4. Um, this is the feminist group.

Coming in and providing an example of what the article described is not desirable input in this group. Please read the SOP.

[northernsouthern]

5. Yes.

I was not trying to offend, trying to talk about how as a male I some of my favorite charters are females. Also frozen had that whole pointless romance thing thrown in. Also mansplaining is a bit whatever, but I can just remove the group from my feed if we are not allowed to talk in it.

p.s.(I should add I did not know it was the Feminist group until I had read the entire article since I just read the title and text most of the time, and I have all feeds set to on...so Mansplain came across in bolded text, I was not seeking it out, I realized it was right about when I was finished typing...then wondered if it was sexist not to post because it was a woman's group, so I posted because it is always good to bounce one's views off of others.)