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no_hypocrisy

(46,080 posts)
Sun Apr 9, 2017, 09:18 AM Apr 2017

In 1900, what did it mean if you were engaged for 3 years and your fiance jilted you?

I just discovered my grandfather registered to marry a woman, then registered again 4 years later to marry my grandmother in 1904. The first woman and her family sued for breach of promise to marry. All this was archived in newspapers.

Please confirm if I'm guessing correctly: Wouldn't the first woman's prospects for marriage be ruined because of the social humiliation, the fact that she was off the marriage market for four years, she would be a financial burden on her family as she was now deemed an old maid, etc.? Besides the money, what were the goals of suing for breach of promise?

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In 1900, what did it mean if you were engaged for 3 years and your fiance jilted you? (Original Post) no_hypocrisy Apr 2017 OP
Part of the goal would be to vindicate the woman Maeve Apr 2017 #1
One reason for engagement rings Freddie Apr 2017 #2
didn't work out that way for me. unblock Apr 2017 #3
Where did this happen? PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 2017 #4
Altoona, PA no_hypocrisy Apr 2017 #6
When I got married in 1980 in the state of Michigan, PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 2017 #7
That's what I figured too. no_hypocrisy Apr 2017 #8
Here's some background TheOther95Percent Apr 2017 #5

Maeve

(42,279 posts)
1. Part of the goal would be to vindicate the woman
Sun Apr 9, 2017, 09:29 AM
Apr 2017

To win such a suit means that she would be acknowleged as the victim of a cad, resulting in less humiliation for her and more for him (not that it would be a major problem for him, but still) and this would help restore her prospects. Part of it depends on her social standing; it mattered more to the middle classes than to either upper or lower. And part depends on her age--older marriage was still acceptable and more common than it would be in the post-WWII era.

edited to add--Of course, the money itself would enhance her prospects; a woman with money was always more attractive than a woman without it.

Freddie

(9,259 posts)
2. One reason for engagement rings
Sun Apr 9, 2017, 09:53 AM
Apr 2017

Back in the day, the etiquette rule was if the man broke the engagement, she kept the ring and could sell it and keep the $$. Recently courts have ruled against this. For instance DH's boss was engaged to a locally famous woman (news anchor) and after he broke it off she refused to give the $100000 ring back. He took her to court and they settled. Cad.

unblock

(52,195 posts)
3. didn't work out that way for me.
Sun Apr 9, 2017, 11:17 AM
Apr 2017

somewhat different context as we were actually married 10 years. when we got divorced the it was determined that the wedding rings (along with virtually all our other possessions) were community property subject to an equitable split, but her engagement ring was an individual possession of hers she brought into the marriage, so she got to keep it.

this was the ring my grandmother had gotten engaged with, so needless to say my whole family was quite pissed at her for this.
it was a pretty amicable divorce other than that.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,841 posts)
4. Where did this happen?
Sun Apr 9, 2017, 11:37 AM
Apr 2017

What exactly is meant by "registered to marry a woman"? I'm completely unfamiliar with any such thing in this country.

Do you have any idea if the first woman and her family received any money in settlement for the breach of promise?

It feels like a lot of information is missing. If they'd been a public couple during those four years, and everyone expected them to marry, then calling it off was not a nice thing to do. Although I always wonder about engagements that last more than a year. If you want to get married, then get married. Why the delay?

no_hypocrisy

(46,080 posts)
6. Altoona, PA
Sun Apr 9, 2017, 12:35 PM
Apr 2017

My grandfather took out two marriage licenses in 3.5 years, jilting the first fiancée. Not out of love. He became engaged b/c he believed his prospective brother-in-laws would take him into their businesses.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,841 posts)
7. When I got married in 1980 in the state of Michigan,
Sun Apr 9, 2017, 12:52 PM
Apr 2017

the license issued was only good for a very short time. A few days, I think. If it was that way back then in Altoona, then taking out the license and then not marrying is huge.

no_hypocrisy

(46,080 posts)
8. That's what I figured too.
Sun Apr 9, 2017, 06:54 PM
Apr 2017

My grandfather ruined her life by not only not marrying the original fiancée but registering to marry my grandmother without notice.

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