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Mon Feb 10, 2020, 11:30 AM

She really should smile more...

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Reply She really should smile more... (Original post)
Soph0571 Feb 2020 OP
tblue37 Feb 2020 #1
blm Feb 2020 #2
CaptYossarian Feb 2020 #3
Guilded Lilly Feb 2020 #4
Soph0571 Feb 2020 #10
Pacifist Patriot Feb 2020 #5
VWolf Feb 2020 #6
Soph0571 Feb 2020 #11
Collimator Feb 2020 #16
Soph0571 Feb 2020 #18
Pacifist Patriot Feb 2020 #22
Pacifist Patriot Feb 2020 #21
JudyM Feb 2020 #29
lunatica Feb 2020 #13
Pacifist Patriot Feb 2020 #20
lunatica Feb 2020 #24
Pacifist Patriot Feb 2020 #26
lunatica Feb 2020 #27
Dukkha Feb 2020 #7
lunatica Feb 2020 #8
Soph0571 Feb 2020 #9
joost5 Feb 2020 #12
Soph0571 Feb 2020 #14
yonder Feb 2020 #15
BlueMTexpat Feb 2020 #17
Soph0571 Feb 2020 #19
BlueMTexpat Feb 2020 #25
lunatica Feb 2020 #28
lark Feb 2020 #23
Sparkly Mar 2020 #30

Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 11:31 AM

1. K&R for visibility. nt

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 11:42 AM

2. ✔️

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 12:01 PM

3. There's an Alan Parsons Project song called "You Don't Believe" that addresses these

differences, but it's in general terms, unrelated to the gender differences shown here.

The ultimate double standard. There were t-shirts in the 80s that said "A woman has to work twice as hard to receive half the credit."

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 01:01 PM

4. Enthusiast KICK! (Or is that arrogant?) heh.

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Response to Guilded Lilly (Reply #4)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 01:35 PM

10. You say arrogant... I say audacious :-) Hurrah!!!!

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 01:10 PM

5. I was just recently told I was "overly emotional" and "reacting disproportionately."

My sin?

Telling my boss privately that I did not appreciate being interrupted in a leadership strategy meeting the previous day when I was trying to get an issue with another department head resolved. Yes, I am the lone female on the executive staff.

There were no tears involved. No raised voice. All I said was:

* I did not appreciate being shut down before I could finish what I was saying,
* the issue with the other department head still existed and would never be resolved if he didn't truly want the candor he said he wanted in that meeting,
* I expected the other department head to be held accountable for lying to everyone during that meeting about a particular situation - for which I had the documentary evidence of his lies in my hand.

That's overly emotional.

I was flabbergasted.

And I shouldn't have been.

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Response to Pacifist Patriot (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 01:15 PM

6. Oh behalf of the men in this world

I apologize.

The double standard is so damn apparent to anyone who observes for a minute.

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Response to Pacifist Patriot (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 01:38 PM

11. I quit my job last summer because of the same thing

All male executive, apart from me, toxic masculinity bollocks... life it too short and luckily for me I am financially secure enough not to have to put up with it. To be fair in the last board meeting, me pounding the desk and shouting are you fucking kidding me, when they were trying to ignore my expertise, may have been a tad emotional...

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Response to Soph0571 (Reply #11)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 01:53 PM

16. "To be fair in the last board meeting, me pounding the desk and shouting. . ."

". . . may have been a tad emotional..."

Yes, it was. And if a man had done it, it would have been considered forceful. Maybe some people would have been taken aback, but the word "emotional" would not have been used with the scorn intended whenever that word is directed towards women.

Any Vulcan who passed Logic classes by the points of their ears could tell you that human males are the emotional ones. It is just that their emotions are --while perhaps expressed differently-- always valued differently.

I know that I shared this on another thread long ago, but I read about a sign posted in a women's shelter.

"Men are afraid that women are going to laugh at them; women are afraid that men are going to kill them."

Yes, I am perfectly willing to qualify that statement with #notallmen, because I really don't think that poorly of that half of humanity. But that statement, with all the emotional context that it touches upon, really describes the problem that patriarchy enables.

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Response to Collimator (Reply #16)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 02:43 PM

18. 100% nt

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Response to Collimator (Reply #16)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 02:49 PM

22. Excellent point.

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Response to Soph0571 (Reply #11)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 02:49 PM

21. I think I love you.

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Response to Soph0571 (Reply #11)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 02:01 AM

29. Lol!

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Response to Pacifist Patriot (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 01:40 PM

13. Now see, my response to such a statement would have been

confrontational, albeit in a polite way. I hope yours was too.

I would have been very sure to look him directly in the eyes and thrown it back in his face (very politely) by asking him to explain what he had just said. Asking, ďPlease tell me in what way am I being overly emotional when all Iím saying is that I expect the same respect you give the men employees. If you expect me to do my job as a professional and at your request, then I expect to be supported.Ē

Then watch him falling all over himself pretending he never meant that. But chances are heíll never do that again.

This isnít just talk. Iíve actually done this. Sometimes in front of other people if thatís when the boss chose to be disrespectful.

It works. You get the respect you demand. This is what men understand. Itís their language and their mindset. If youíre talking to monkeys, you gotta do it in monkey talk.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #13)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 02:48 PM

20. My reaction was...

to raise my eyebrow and say, "think about what you just said very very carefully and tell me if that's really where you want to go with this." (We've worked together 10 years.)

I think he got the message, but who knows. I've raised my three boys to respect women, I'm not about to try to raise one older than me.

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Response to Pacifist Patriot (Reply #20)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 02:54 PM

24. Oh yeah!

The Dreaded Mom Look!

Iíve used it to great benefit many times. And it works every time. Now that Iím 71 the mixture of age and the dreaded Mom Look is even more powerful. Iím a sweet middle age lady until Iím not.



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Response to lunatica (Reply #24)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 03:33 PM

26. Ha ha! My husband recently said, "you're a sweet middle aged lady right up until your not" to me.

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Response to Pacifist Patriot (Reply #26)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 03:44 PM

27. LOL!

our family members know!

Itís what Pelosiís daughters keep telling us about her.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 01:23 PM

7. He's a "counterpuncher" who LITERALLY eats White House documents!

Trump Ate Sensitive Document After Cohen Meeting
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-ate-sensitive-document-after-cohen-meeting-former-white-house-aide-1069399

But she's a violent bully thug for disposing of speech notes


Then the triggered snowflake repeats a "pants on fire" lie that her tearing it up was "illegal"
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/feb/07/donald-trump/donald-trump-says-nancy-pelosis-speech-tear-was-il/

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 01:23 PM

8. I clicked on your OP ready to fight with you



It used to be even worse when I was young, at the beginning of the womenís movement. What really makes me mad is that everything women have fought for and gained is being deliberately undermined and eroded.

The struggle continues.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #8)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 01:32 PM

9. LOL. Fisti cuffs at dawn? Or is that us being hysterical...

I am tired of it. Hence the graphic... even male allies fail in this from time to time!!! And I hate it when women say look at my resting bitch face... why are they buying into that narrative. It is literally just your face dammit!!!

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 01:39 PM

12. MSNBC's Donny Deutsch described Warren as "strident" and "unlikeable"

Enough with that BS. SUCH a double standard.

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Response to joost5 (Reply #12)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 01:41 PM

14. You know what strident is in the real world of brilliant women...

...she has a plan that she articulates with confidence...

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 01:42 PM

15. KnR

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 02:15 PM

17. ...



Thanks for posting, Soph0571!

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Response to BlueMTexpat (Reply #17)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 02:45 PM

19. Please call me Soph

Only Soph0571 when you are cross with me!!!

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Response to Soph0571 (Reply #19)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 02:57 PM

25. Will do, Soph!

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Response to Soph0571 (Reply #19)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 03:52 PM

28. LOL!

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 02:50 PM

23. Yes, the deck is totally tilted against women.

Men fear us and dislike us for being independent and too many other women follow in their parents footsteps and treat women badly as well. Women in the South, especially those from Evangelical homes, are totally taught to devalue other women (women be subservient to your husband type crap) and that women should have no control or power - even over their own bodies.

Guess I'm lucky that didn't happen with me. My parents were Evangelical, but mom was raised in a family of 8 girls and 4 boys and those girls were very strong in their sisterhood. I was raised to value and respect & cherish other women and told they will be with you when no one else is. I'm thankful for that aspect of my upbringing but discarded the Evangelical crap when I was a teen.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Thu Mar 5, 2020, 01:56 PM

30. He seems presidential.

She just doesn't have that presidential thing. I just don't know what it is, exactly. Hm....

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