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Sun Jun 5, 2022, 01:29 AM

In the movie 'Joker', the lead character goes on a talk show.

And, in the crescendo of that scene, he says, "What do you get when you cross a mentally ill loner with a society that abandons him and treats him like trash? I'll tell you what you get! You get what you fucking deserve!!"

And, he is absolutely 100% correct.

Why do I feel the same way? (BTW, I am not going on a killing spree. I will just sit back and watch the consequences of that statement play out. Because they will.) Our society does not give one rats ass about anyone who does not play their game. And our society will pay for it. I only wish I could be there when it happens. I deserve that much at least.

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Reply In the movie 'Joker', the lead character goes on a talk show. (Original post)
OldBaldy1701E Jun 5 OP
BWdem4life Jun 5 #1
hunter Jun 5 #2
OldBaldy1701E Jun 5 #4
OldBaldy1701E Jun 5 #3
BWdem4life Jun 6 #5

Response to OldBaldy1701E (Original post)

Sun Jun 5, 2022, 03:08 PM

1. Only one problem with that...

A mentally ill person, being unable to think clearly, may imagine that society has abandoned him and treated him like trash, when objectively nothing of the sort has happened.

One example that comes to mind:

One time I allowed a homeless person to use my home while I was gone for several days (this was not a random person, but someone I had become familiar with over the course of a few months as we both attended recovery meetings.)

When I returned, rather than thanking me, that person questioned me about things in my place that they felt were wrong and pointed to a lifestyle they disapproved of.

Needless to say, I showed them the door and said good luck.

It was not my job or responsibility to help this person get back on their feet. I had gone above and beyond already.

At some point, the mentally ill person, despite being mentally ill, must still bear some of the responsibililty themself and learn to use some social manners. Otherwise, they themselves will also "get what they deserve" (they will be abandoned by someone who initially wanted to help them).

(The above is just one example and not intended to be a one-size-fits-all scenario).

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Response to BWdem4life (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 5, 2022, 06:49 PM

2. Yeah, that was me, a few times more than I care to confess.

Until my later twenties didn't grock that burning bridges behind me was a bad idea.

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Response to hunter (Reply #2)

Sun Jun 5, 2022, 11:55 PM

4. I hear you but I have to say

There have been a few bridges that needed to be burnt and I am glad I did it. But, that is just me.

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Response to BWdem4life (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 5, 2022, 11:53 PM

3. This is true.

I guess my next question is this: What about someone who cannot 'bear some responsibility' for themselves? Should they be left out in the cold to die? Is dealing with a mind that cannot operate in our society grounds for complete dismissal from society? I find that disturbing.

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Response to OldBaldy1701E (Reply #3)

Mon Jun 6, 2022, 01:33 AM

5. Well, it wasn't exactly the dead of winter

If it had been, I probably would have tried to help them find shelter. Also I knew that they at least knew where to find other people who might be willing to help them, since they were attending meetings.

However, you have a point. No matter how mentally ill, as long as they are not a threat to others a person should at least be provided with a minimum amount of bare necessities by society if it (society) wants to be considered something more than a loose pack of wild animals - it's not like we couldn't afford it if we didn't spend so much unnecessarily on the military.

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