I am SO tired of tRUMP and his whole alternate universe.

[TigressDem]

Issuing orders to Congress to investigate fake crimes and accusing media other than his own alternate Knews of being fake.

His followers thinking he actually won.

Them not believing that Jan 6th happened.

I am so tired of knowing the truth and not being set free of being confronted daily with the ignorance of others that is in the (slight) majority in the House.

I WANT REALITY BACK to FACTS first, THEN opinions.

I am SO SICK of all the lies being told that make a mockery of our country and our justice system.

EVEN though there are people still fighting the good fight.

Today I just feel like crying because these liars are SO relentless. Clueless, but relentless.

[enough]

1. You have reality already, stay with it. We have to do that -- they have no power

over reality. Courage.

[TigressDem]

9. He has MY SON in his grip and my grandson.

My son is in his 40's and is all about "militias" and possibly moving to Texas.

I hear him talk and we've tried to have conversations but he won't believe mainstream media or facts over what he's being told.

We have agreed we can't both be right so eventually when the dust settles one of us will have to apologize to the other.

My son may go fight and die in this orange bastard's civil war. And take my grandson with him.

Reality is having a bad f***ing week and so am I.

[certainot]

21. maybe point out limbaugh was working for putin since at least 2008

even if he moved on to bozos like alex jones, or breitbart, or some social media crap, it's the radio, and tell him the russians have been using it and limbaugh since at least 2008

i can give details

[TigressDem]

24. Tonight I can't

He doesn't even like tRUMP that much, but is afraid of "groomers" and doesn't want his kids at drag shows that they put on in "all the schools"

It doesn't matter what facts I give him. He'll even say Russia is fine. IDK.

Kid didn't do much history in school.

I tried, but I failed him too.

[TigressDem]

32. OK got some liquid courage....

What do you think is the best argument for a young family man who calls himself "a conservative" and believes that his vote was stolen because he went to a website that was supposedly the official website and his vote wasn't there.

He doesn't particularly LIKE tRUMP but thinks the election was stolen.

He thinks Biden is corrupt and is the reason sexual abuses were perpetuated on minors at the border.
(Even though WE know that BIDEN cleaned UP that shit and tRUMP set it up.)

He thinks Biden abandoned Afghanistan even though the paper work for it was written up by tRUMP to expire in Biden's time or there would have been full scale war.

He thinks LBGTQ are grooming kids even though he loves his oldest son who is gay and supposedly has nothing against them. He thinks it's the schools and this "woke" stuff that is forcing kids to be gay when they aren't.

[certainot]

33. i think americans need to expose rw radio as a putin tool and use AI to digitize it

digitizing it will allow present and past analysis to expose it for all the lying and collaborate that lying with republican and russian trump crap. trump was basically the talk radio president, limbaugh with hair and exposing limbaugh as a putin tool will go a long way to deflating the alternative realities these nuts rely on

i don't know if the person you talk about is a talk radio listener but it sounds like it, maybe while driving or working, before coming home......

[TigressDem]

34. He considers Tik Tok to be valid media.

He's been told that BIDEN SOLD OUT AMERICA in the Declaration of North America.

That OUR CONSTITUTION IS NO LONGER VALID.

I asked him if he'd read it and where does it say we are no longer a sovereign nation?



https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2023/01/10/declaration-of-north-america-dna/


The White House
January 10, 2023
Declaration of North America (DNA)


Today, President Andrés Manuel López Obrador, President Joseph R. Biden, and Prime Minister Justin Trudeau met in Mexico City for the 10th North American Leaders’ Summit (NALS). The leaders are determined to fortify our region’s security, prosperity, sustainability and inclusiveness through commitments across six pillars: 1) diversity, equity, and inclusion; 2) climate change and the environment; 3) competitiveness; 4) migration and development; 5) health; and 6) regional security.

North America shares a unique history and culture that emphasizes innovation, equitable development, and mutually beneficial trade to create inclusive economic opportunities for the benefit of our people. We are not just neighbors and partners. Our people share bonds of family and friendship and value – above all else – freedom, justice, human rights, equality, and democracy. This is the North American DNA.





It's a happy feel good agreement to play nice.


I sent him a fact check and told him:

I read the document.
It is an agreement between the 3 Nations of North America (I forgot to include the Indigenous... 4 nations)
to cooperate on various issues.
No mention anywhere of giving up our sovereignty.
It's a peace accord. Like if Palestine and Israel agreed to share resources in the West Bank as to cease hostile actions without either actually ceding the territory.
The ONLY way to supersede The Constitution is through a Constitutional Convention.
(I was wrong could go through Congress with 2/3rd vote, but like that could happen.)
NO document Biden signs can give away our country.
I have a copy of The Constitution if you want to read it.
The Presidency has checks and balances to prevent one person from having too much power.

It isn't even a treaty.

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-us-north-america-sovereignty-361079672513





He hasn't responded to me at all and he was yelling multiple "facts" at me and told me I am so BLIND.

Well, I wasn't cowed. I told him he was deranged if he believes this stuff.

I think I vibrated with rage for about an hour afterward while away from the house doing errands.

[TigressDem]

36. TODAY my son told me George Soros is a Nazi.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-photo-soros-nazi-bookkeeper/fact-check-photographshows-nazi-bookkeeper-notgeorge-soros-idUSKBN23P2TP

Social media users are sharing a photo of a young man wearing the Schutzstaffel  SS- official uniform and incorrectly claiming it is billionaire philanthropist George Soros. The post implies Soros was in the SS and in the Socialist German Workers (Nazi) party. This is false.

A reverse search of this image reveals that this photograph is of Oskar Groening.



In 2015, Oskar Groening was found guilty of being an accessory to mass murder and sentenced to four years in prison, in what is likely to have been one of the last big Holocaust trials. His job was to collect the belongings of deportees after they arrived at the camp by train and had been put through a selection process that resulted in many being sent directly to the gas chambers. He inspected their luggage, removing and counting any bank notes that were inside, and sending them on to SS offices in Berlin, where they helped to fund the Nazi war effort.

Groening said that he was an “enthusiastic Nazi” when he was sent to work at Auschwitz in 1942, at the age of 21.

George Soros was born in August 1930. Soros would have been 12 years old when the man in the photograph joined the SS and was nine when World War II broke out. Reuters was unable to confirm the date the photo was taken, but even if this was in the war’s final year, Soros would have been 14 or 15 years old. In 1943, the mandatory age for boys to serve in the military was 17 or older.


https://www.factcheck.org/2018/10/viral-meme-misidentifies-nazi-guard-as-soros/

Q: Is there a bogus viral meme circulating online that purports to show Holocaust survivor George Soros as a Nazi soldier?

A: It is bogus. The photo in the meme is of a Nazi guard who died earlier this year. It is not Soros.

Oskar Gröning, a Nazi guard called by some the “Bookkeeper of Auschwitz,” died in March at age 96 before beginning a four-year prison sentence. He had been found guilty in 2015 for being an accessory to 300,000 murders.

Soros was born in Hungary in 1930, according to his Open Society Foundations, and lived through the Nazi occupation. His website notes that Soros’ “own Jewish family survived by securing false identity papers, concealing their backgrounds, and helping others do the same.”

[TigressDem]

37. George Soros is a Jew born in 1930, hid in Hungary and is alive today.

He is NOT and never WAS a Nazi.

The picture is of Oskar Gröning, a Nazi guard called by some the “Bookkeeper of Auschwitz,” died in March at age 96 before beginning a four-year prison sentence. He had been found guilty in 2015 for being an accessory to 300,000 murders.

He may have had to cooperate with Nazi's but that was because he was

......
a courier for a local Jewish Council — which the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum says were bodies set up by Germans in occupied countries to carry out Nazi plans. Members of such councils “had to decide whether to comply or refuse to comply with German demands to, for example, list names of Jews for deportation.” Some who refused were killed, according to the museum, and others tried to comply in order to get Nazis to reduce the number of Jewish deportees.

......

“one day, Soros was ordered to deliver messages to several Jewish lawyers in Budapest … The letters instructed the lawyers to report to a rabbinical school, but Soros realized they would be imprisoned upon arrival. He warned them of their danger, according to the book, and quit his job with the council after carrying out the errand.” Soros was also sent to live with a Christian agricultural official and pretend to be his godson; the official took Soros to confiscate Jewish property.

Such details about Soros’ survival, some have noted, have become the fodder for unsubstantiated allegations that Soros collaborated with the Nazis.


https://www.factcheck.org/2018/10/viral-meme-misidentifies-nazi-guard-as-soros/

[certainot]

38. sorry to hear all that.

[TigressDem]

40. Yeah. Glad DU is here.

I can't afford therapy at this time so all I can do is speak up and get my courage together to stand up for my truth.

[LiberalLoner]

25. 👍👏❤️

[TigressDem]

39. So today a neighbor came over and political talk started about COVID......

Then my son started in on me.... because I rejected his "facts" that Vaccinated people are dying MORE than non vaccinated.


FACT CHECK
MISLEADING...... MORE people have had at least the first two doses... so a higher percentage of the population is vaxxed.

Those who are ALSO boosted have not been hospitalized at the same rate of partially vaxxed or non vaxxed.




https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid-casualties-vaccines/fact-check-finding-that-most-people-dying-from-covid-19-are-vaccinated-does-not-mean-vaccines-dont-work-idUSL1N32R1UI

A man in the video reads from the article text: “For the first time, a majority of Americans dying from the coronavirus received at least the primary series of the vaccine. Fifty-eight percent of coronavirus deaths in August were people who were vaccinated or boosted, according to an analysis conducted for The Health 202 by Cynthia Cox, vice president at the Kaiser Family Foundation.”


The CDC tracks COVID vaccinations given in the United States (here ), and as of Nov. 30, 2022, a total of 228,390,445 million people had completed the two-dose primary vaccination series, representing 68.8% of the population, according to the CDC’s COVID Data Tracker.

By age group, 93.8% of people 65 and older had completed the primary vaccination series, the Data Tracker shows. A majority in every age grouping has also completed primary vaccination, including 78.6% of those 18 and older, 77% of those 12 and older, and 72.9% over age 5.

VERDICT

Misleading. Data collected by the CDC from September 2021 to September 2022 and described in a Washington Post article shows that a majority of people dying from COVID-19 in the U.S. had been vaccinated because the majority of people in the U.S. are vaccinated, and does not reflect vaccine effectiveness.


https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/deaths-among-older-adults-due-to-covid-19-jumped-during-the-summer-of-2022-before-falling-somewhat-in-september/

https://datawrapper.dwcdn.net/fgRiS/7/#

[CaliforniaPeggy]

2. Right there with you, my dear TigressDem . . .

It's also exhausting to stand up against these yahoos.

[TigressDem]

10. Thanks

Normally I am the one being courageous.

But the closer we get to putting him in lock up the worse his outrageous lies get and the MAGA contingency the House is ready, willing and able to push his agenda. We may be able to fight back, but I can't see a real win until he and all of the insurrectionists are behind bars.

When I heard Italy had given Barr and the investigator financial crime information on tRUMP back in 2019
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143024796

I was just livid.

tRUMP could have been charged THEN and Pence at least would have dealt with COVID like a rational human being. Thinking of ALL THE LIVES LOST because they HID THE TRUTH over and over and over again just makes me want to scream and never stop.

My heart is broken.

I will bounce back eventually, but I AM SO TIRED OF ALL THE LIES.


If we are all dealing with the same FACTS and have different ideas of how to handle things, fine.


BUT WHEN THE TRUTH IS HELD HOSTAGE and LIES are falling like waterfalls out of the bizarre media outlets and the MSM is echoing their talking points... I just despair EVER getting these people back from the abyss.

tRUMP has my son in his insane grip. And my grandson.

I just hope that when his followers realize how much he has lied, when they finally see the truth as a group.

I hope they march on him and do our job for us.

[kimbutgar]

3. I want to go several days without hearing his voice, seeing his face or reading about him

All I want is for him to STFU in a maximum security jail after being exposed for the grifter, Russian puppet and lying POS!

[TigressDem]

11. Yep.

Got banned from twitter back before Muskertraitor....

something about duct tape and not allowing him to get on social media...

but I had no plans, just said it would be a good thing.....


LOL

[LetMyPeopleVote]

4. TFG is a sick puppy

Link to tweet

[Evolve Dammit]

6. Mary knows him best. His own mother asked "What kind of monster have I raised?" Now we know.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

13. TFG's own mother was concerned

Link to tweet

[TigressDem]

19. Wow

[Evolve Dammit]

27. What a great clipping and quote. Prophetic

[TigressDem]

12. I listen to her quite a bit.

Hearing reality coming out of someone who has survived him.... makes me hopeful.

[TigressDem]

17. Puppy's are cute. He's just puppy barf.

Puppy barf after it's eaten it's own poo poo, barfed again and then ate it and barfed again.

He's self generating poo barf.


Yep.

That's it.

[Evolve Dammit]

5. It's like Michael Moore said: "They're like sharks. They never sleep." We need insomnia too I guess

[TigressDem]

14. Yeah, they act like maniacs.

People who don't sleep at all finally lose their minds and have manic/psychotic episodes.

Yeah, that explains MGT, George and many others.

Maybe we just need to "tag team" and keep each other from losing it.

Thanks.

Like I said, I will regain my equilibrium, but today feels a bit rough.

[Evolve Dammit]

28. Not easy to combat external insanity on a daily basis. The Orange One loves chaos and achieved it.

[rubbersole]

7. He's grifting clickbait.

He is all about ratings. MSM and online. It still works. faux news is the worst and imitated.

[TigressDem]

15. He's constantly giving them misinformation as if it's the truth and he's still pRez.

[Mark.b]

8. It's taken time, but I'm ignoring as much as I can of anything...

Having to do with him. Of course, that means I’m off Facebook, and I don’t read at least half the conversations on here. Just notice how many topics have his name in them. We’ve let him consume us.

[TigressDem]

16. Yeah.

But my son listens to all tRUMP's crap. So does my grandson.

I need to know enough to defend myself from the spew I overhear.

Son and I talk about anything but politics and have said Eventually one of us will need to apologize to the other because we can't BOTH be right.

[OverBurn]

18. I'm so disheartened about it all, I'm to the point, fuck it, let it all burn to the ground.

The only good thing that's happened is so many the Jan 6 assholes going to jail. I'll only be happy though, if Trump and some of his fellow congress critters get charged. I still have doubts about any of them every going to jail.

[TigressDem]

20. And yet...

Ukraine has it worse and at least we've been able to help them.


Some days, I feel strong and certain things will finally get resolved and FACTS will again be the grounding for our discussions in this world.


I'm just feeling very impatient about it today.

[3catwoman3]

22. That must be so hard to watch your son and grandson...

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...be so implacably resistant to truth.

Trump's groupies are nothing if not tenacious

[TigressDem]

29. Son was telling me....

How he was doing security at a tRUMP rally .... unspecified date .... and how there were all kinds of people there getting along.


I wanted to barf.


Then we are seeing black police officers in Memphis beating another black man to death at a traffic stop.


WHY?


HATRED as a family value.


Pushed by tRUMP and the REICH Wing of the Repuke-ulan party.

[3catwoman3]

31. Fortunately for us, both our sons (32 and 30)...

…and their wives are avowed liberals/progressives, and rational enough that it is hard for me to foresee anything that would change that. I don't know how I would handle it were they to go over to the dark side.

[pansypoo53219]

23. for all his minions. i just want him to die so HE SHUTS THE FUCK UP!!!

[TigressDem]

35. The way he eats and rages....

He could give himself a heart attack.

OR maybe when the truth comes out his followers will turn on him. Hard to say.


I wouldn't waste a bullet on him.

Then again, if he was on fire in the street in front of me, I wouldn't piss on him to put him out either.

I might call my son and see if HE would be so inclined.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

26. For this thread

Link to tweet

[TigressDem]

30. + 1000 nt