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Wed Apr 2, 2014, 01:26 PM

Do you find vaping changes other habits?

I have only had my e-cig since Saturday - have not quit smoking regular cigs yet but have reduced by 75%.

I have also noticed that my coffee consumption and snacking has reduced. It's not that I am intentionally trying to eat less or drink less coffee it just seems to be naturally happening. I think it may have something to do with the flavorings. Did this happen to you at all?

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Response to seaglass (Original post)

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 04:44 PM

1. In a way

I have greatly increased my intake of water and other liquids. Vaping is very dehydrating. I also find that the taste of what I'm drinking can affect my impression of my e-juice, so I mix and match carefully. I've found fruity iced teas to be great.
The really big way that vaping has changed my habits is that I no longer have to hide to smoke. Or figure out how I'm going to sneak a cigarette and have people know what I did. Everyone in my family detests smoking...so I often ended up in a bathroom, opening the window, fanning desperately.
Congratulations to you for embarking on this wonderful, life-saving change!

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Response to PennyK (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 07:16 AM

6. I never hid my smoking but I have smoked outside only for years - being in MA it was very miserable

this winter, wish I had started vaping earlier.

Congrats to you for doing so well so quickly!

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Response to seaglass (Original post)

Thu Apr 3, 2014, 04:08 PM

2. It got me away from the sodas

I used the acidic drinks to rinse the smoky crap out of my mouth after I had a cigarette. After I shifted to the e-cig, I started drinking a lot more water, and kicked the soda habit completely.

During my relapse last month, I noticed myself ordering sodas again. I've quit both, and am back on the vape.

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Response to LadyHawkAZ (Reply #2)

Thu Apr 3, 2014, 04:30 PM

3. Do you mind me asking how many mg nicotine you are using? I am using 18mg

and am struggling with quitting my last 5 cigs. I'm going to the ejuice store tonight and think I will get a small bottle of 24mg to see if that helps. Plus I am going to try to find a flavor my husband would like so he will try vaping too.

The water drinking is such a good idea - I never drink enough water and have noticed my mouth gets really dry.

Congrats on going back to the vape! It is so much better than any other method I have tried.

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Response to seaglass (Reply #3)

Thu Apr 3, 2014, 04:39 PM

4. I am using 16 right now

but I've had two years of practice. Going to 24 for a little while will probably help you a lot with those last few.

There will be a bad day or two while the chemicals get flushed out of your system, but after 3 days you should lose interest in the real cigarettes.

Also: don't be surprised if you have a little bit of nose or gum bleeding for a couple of weeks after you quit the analogs- the PG in the liquid will irritate the gum and sinus tissue while they are healing, and can cause a little bleeding. This freaked out a few of my friends when they first transitioned, but it should go away shortly.

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Response to LadyHawkAZ (Reply #4)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 07:14 AM

5. Thanks for the info. I didn't end up getting the 24mg because they warned me it could cause

headaches so I'm still plugging along at 18mg. I did get some new flavors - apricot, pina colada and rum and coke (the last for my husband-maybe)

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Response to seaglass (Reply #5)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 06:19 PM

7. I'm using a cinnamon red hots flavor

It has a nice mouth and throat burn, which I miss.

I get to go visit the grandkids now, told myself no visiting until I got rid of that nasty smoke smell and it was a great motivator! Day 8...

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Response to seaglass (Original post)

Fri Apr 11, 2014, 05:49 AM

8. I use 24mg

I'm at 24mg. I think in the beginning its important to get what you need until you fully transition away from cigarettes. Cigarette makers openly admit to adding substances in cigs that make nicotine more addictive, so there's stll a chance of withdrawl from who-knows-what. Once your vaping full time, then it's easier to start dropping the nic level. Another option is to try WTA which adds the missing 5% of alkaloids that are missing in eliquid. I always keep a tank of that ready for the tough times. But that's me. Some people don't have the same level of addiction others need to deal with. That's what's so great about vaping now is that it is so customizable such that almost everyone can quit. HOORAY!

So why is vaping hanging out on the back of the forums? This is becoming a big political issue in a big number of states and Dem's are on the WRONG side, ignorng success, scientific evidence, popular opinion and lobbying for bans? It's kind of embarrassing. Vaping could be the biggest advancement in public health in decades.

If you have more questions about anything related to vaping, I suggest looking into ECF (just google it).

You do need to drink more water.
Vaping 0% nic (flavor only) has been in trials for weight reduction (satisfying the taste cravings)
Live like a non-smoker; free from the smells and mess from smoking
No more midnight runs to get a pack of smokes

Congrats on your success so far.

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Response to aikanae (Reply #8)

Fri Apr 11, 2014, 12:48 PM

9. I ordered some 24mg, it's coming via USMail so don't know when I'll get it.

I am having some issues that are starting to annoy me (insomnia, a shooting pain on my right side) so I think I need to get on the fast track to quit smoking and vaping. I am considering trying EcoVape which is VG no PG and organic ingredients.

We'll see how it goes but I am kind of down today about side effects. I also don't feel 100% about recommending this to people close to me because I don't know how safe the ingredients are to inhale - it is making me a little nervous.

There have been a couple threads about vaping in the main forums but I don't think it is a priority issue to any but the people vaping.

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Response to seaglass (Reply #9)

Fri Apr 11, 2014, 05:50 PM

10. Your still quitting cigarettes

I'm not personally familiar with EcoVape and I do 100% VG too. Nude Nicotine is a good source. I also like Velvet Cloud Vapor (esp Nightshift, their coffee n' donuts...yum)

Cigarette manufacturers add ingredients that can numb and mask underlying illness too. It helps smokers to breath in smoke deeper with less irritation. Thx guys. This is one reason I don't want vaping to fall into the hands of big tobacco. Of course I don't know if this is what you are experiencing or not.

There's quite a list of things that smoking effects. I know someone with Crone's had a flair up after quitting and was advised by his doctor to start using nicotine. It's helpful in Parkinson's and a handful of other illness'. It's like most substances, helpful in some ways and not helpful in others. It's not clear black and white.

Nicotine is not the only substance in a cigarette. There are 4,000 others, largely unknown (proprietary secrets) and tar. In eliquid there are only 4; PG/VG, flavor concentrate and nicotine liquid. Both PG and VG are commonly used in medicine inhalants and as anti-microbial in hospital air systems. I am very allergic to a lot of things, including vaseline, etc. so I run a good chance of having a sensitivity to PG. For other's, VG may be more of a problem; that's trial and error too. The chance of having a sensitivity to either is considered rare - <1% per Medscape. They are both GRAS (generally recognized as safe) and in everything.

Flavors can be more of a wild card. A lot of people react to cinnamon. If you have hay fever or any other allergy, it's possible for a flavor profile to mirror your allergy. Then it's best to try vaping unflavored VG and see how you react. VG tastes naturally sweet so it's palatable and some people prefer it. I like it in the morning when I wake up. PG has a slight peppery taste and some like that.

But your main withdrawal is from 4,000 other chemicals and that can affect everyone differently. This is why the comment, "just quit like I did" is rather useless and ill-informed. Most people who can "just quit" do so. It's not true for everyone.

You do need to increase your water intake dramatically at first. Dehydration can cause cramping and will help flush those chemicals out faster. It's also possible that there are some vitamins that are lacking too. It's hard for me to say in a forum like this. I think you can find more specific information at ECF / www.e-cigarette-forum.com

I know for a fact vaping is safer than smoking. Of course quitting is best, but I assume you've tried that. I had COPD and the change has been remarkable (per my pulmologist). More than what medications could ever do. I've dropped down to minimal maintenance level, more like an asthmatic now. I'm not alone either. My doctor was skeptical at first, but he's impressed now. Do stay in contact with your doctor.

Vaping is facing restrictions and bans in over 40 different cities / states all at once. The evidence that's being used are thinly veiled excuses. None of the big tobacco products (cigalikes) are targeted and exempt. It's pretty obvious the restrictions aren't about public health or safety but about market control. And Democrats are endorsing this.

So if it's not political news, it should be. 1 in 5 people in the US are still smoking. The last 3 years has seen the biggest drop in 30 years of cigarette sales, exactly in proportion to those vaping instead. Vaping could top 5 billion in the next few years, so it is big business and big tax loss.

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Response to aikanae (Reply #10)

Sat Apr 12, 2014, 07:19 AM

13. I appreciate your comments. I don't - knock wood - have any underlying health issues other

than high cholesterol and see my doc fairly frequently, in fact I will see her next month and if I still have any issues will bring it up with her.

It is the flavoring I am concerned about most and also have read that some have a bad reaction to PG. In any case I am still in experimental mode and am willing to keep going forward. All of the people in my life are happy about how much I have reduced my smoking.

I have been reading over at ECF and Vapers Den. I found this thread over at ECF very helpful:

I will have to read more about restrictions - the only ones I am aware of are restricting where people can vape and wanting to require child-proof caps on the ejuice (which mine already have and I don't have young children). The B&M I have been to does not sell to under 18 and I also agree with that restriction.

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Response to seaglass (Reply #9)

Fri Apr 11, 2014, 06:08 PM

11. Are you in the U.K.?

I just looked at EcoVape and they are a UK dealer. I believe restrictions went into effect limiting nic to 20mg. I may have missed it but I didn't see a VG offering. Cigalikes are a common place to start vaping, but not always the most effective. Many of them use different ingredients such as peg400 which I don't know much about.

I do know of a store called Liberty Flights based in the UK that's very reputable and online. There are several vaping groups located there and many of them are on ECF too.

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Response to aikanae (Reply #11)

Sat Apr 12, 2014, 07:08 AM

12. Thanks for that, no I'm not in the UK and didn't notice that company was. n/t

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