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Prayers and good vibes asked for my sis (Original Post) okasha Sep 2014 OP
oh no! fizzgig Sep 2014 #1
Thank you. okasha Sep 2014 #2
{{{Hugs}}} shenmue Sep 2014 #3
...Healing vibes... Blue Owl Sep 2014 #4
Oh no. elleng Sep 2014 #5
Thanks to everyone. okasha Sep 2014 #6
Just heard. okasha Sep 2014 #7
I am so sorry. Behind the Aegis Sep 2014 #8
oh man, that's so sad TorchTheWitch Sep 2014 #10
oh no! TorchTheWitch Sep 2014 #9
Thank you to everyone who sent vibes and prayers. okasha Sep 2014 #11
What a shame. Wishing well for the survivor. Curmudgeoness Sep 2014 #14
Thank you. okasha Sep 2014 #16
So sorry for the doggie who didn't make it, Granny M Sep 2014 #12
Thank you. okasha Sep 2014 #13
I'm so sorry one pup didn't make it. QED Sep 2014 #15
Thanks. okasha Sep 2014 #17
Update okasha Sep 2014 #18
Glad to hear the little girl is recovering. QED Sep 2014 #19
glad that one of the doggies is doing well TorchTheWitch Sep 2014 #20
Toads secrete a neurotoxin okasha Sep 2014 #21
eee gad! TorchTheWitch Sep 2014 #22
Toxicity varies from species to species. okasha Sep 2014 #23

elleng

(130,895 posts)
5. Oh no.
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 12:26 AM
Sep 2014

Vibes:
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okasha

(11,573 posts)
7. Just heard.
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 01:23 AM
Sep 2014

One pup didn't make it. The other is improving. Don't know yet whether it.was a deliberate poisoning. Snakebite possible.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
10. oh man, that's so sad
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 07:58 AM
Sep 2014

I really hope that it wasn't a deliberate poisoning. Bad enough to have lost one dog and have such sick other ones as well but to find out that someone did it on purpose has got to be so much worse.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
11. Thank you to everyone who sent vibes and prayers.
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 02:56 PM
Sep 2014

The surving pup is doing well today. We'te thinking now it was bufotoxin that got the one we lost--a toad. It's been monsooning here is S. TX, and the rain brings them out.

Blessings to all of you and your furry anf feathrred families.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
14. What a shame. Wishing well for the survivor.
Sun Sep 28, 2014, 02:37 PM
Sep 2014

I suppose that knowing what the likely toxin is helps them to treat the pup. But I can't say how sorry I am that one did not make it.

to you and your sister and the pup.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
16. Thank you.
Sun Sep 28, 2014, 11:22 PM
Sep 2014

It turns out that the suviving pup didn't come in contact with the toxin at all. She apparently had a cataleptic episode, literally "scared stiff" when her brother seized. She's bounced back physically, but still needs a lot of comfort and cuddles.

to you and your kitty, er, overlord.

Granny M

(1,395 posts)
12. So sorry for the doggie who didn't make it,
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 03:41 PM
Sep 2014

and glad the surviving one is improving. Heard before about how lethal that bufotoxin is. But glad that it wasn't deliberate poisoning.

QED

(2,747 posts)
15. I'm so sorry one pup didn't make it.
Sun Sep 28, 2014, 02:56 PM
Sep 2014

Here's hoping the other pulls through.

Toads are bad here, too but in the more rural areas. Crossing my fingers they don't show up here. My dogs would definitely go after them.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
17. Thanks.
Sun Sep 28, 2014, 11:47 PM
Sep 2014

The survivor is physically okay, but needs lots of reassurance.

Sis lives in a semi-rural area, but we get toads and other wildlife here in town, too. Possums are regular visitors. Last week there was a full-grown raccoon. A pair of great horned owls regularly takes up residence in a tree across the street in winter. In another part of town, a friend's husband spotted a grey fox in a tree in his back yard. A herd of deer and a javelina family live on the University campus. No bears yet, though.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
18. Update
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 11:04 PM
Sep 2014

Little girl still recovering nicely. Guy who cuts sis' grass said he saw three toads while mowing today.

QED

(2,747 posts)
19. Glad to hear the little girl is recovering.
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 12:04 PM
Sep 2014

And good for the confirmation on the toads. I'd rather believe toads than someone poisoning a dog - not that it changes the outcome.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
20. glad that one of the doggies is doing well
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 04:05 PM
Sep 2014

Has the vet figured out what poisoned them? Are toads poisonous somehow? Or only certain kinds of toads? When I was a kid we had toads all over the place but none of us kids or the pets got sick because of them.



okasha

(11,573 posts)
21. Toads secrete a neurotoxin
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 07:14 PM
Sep 2014

when attacked or threatened. Poisoning usually occurs when a dog or cat attempts to bite the toad or pick it up in his mouth. The toxin is absorbed through the mucous membranes. It can also be absorbed through human skin, so no one should pick up a toad bare-handed.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
22. eee gad!
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 08:59 PM
Sep 2014

My brothers used to pick them up all the time. The toads always did something that looked like they had peed on them, and that's what we always thought it was. Nothing ever happened to them though. The cats and the dog used to chase them though I don't know if they ever caught them.

Does it matter what kind of toad it is? Now I'm paranoid that we might have toads here though I haven't seen one since I was a kid. I KNOW Yoshi would try to catch one if he saw one.

They looked just like this eastern American toad:



Wikipedia says that they excrete a toxin called bufotoxin that can be dangerous to small dogs if the toad is eaten. Also says that the toxin on the skin can be irritating but anything more than that, so I guess a small dog would have to eat the whole toad to be really poisoned.

I'm so freaking out about toads right now! I always thought they were disgusting when I was a kid, too. My brothers loved to throw them at me just to hear me howl and scream and run away to complain to Mom.





okasha

(11,573 posts)
23. Toxicity varies from species to species.
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 09:27 PM
Sep 2014

In S. TX, we have the two worst, the imported Australian cane toad and species alvarius, found in the SW US and northern Mexico. I'd suggest that anyone whose pets and/or kids spend time outdoors check which species are found locally and know what to do in the event of exposure.

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