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forthemiddle

(1,459 posts)
Tue Jan 24, 2017, 07:57 AM Jan 2017

The final decision

This is the first time I am posting in this group, so I hope it's ok.
I am just going through some moral questioning, and thought writing it down and venting would help me be at peace with my decision, no matter what that it.

I have a 9 year old Husky mix, Scooter (she just turned 9 last week), that we rescued when she was just under a year old. For all her life she has been perfectly healthy until December 1st. I found what I though was a tooth abscess so I brought her to the vet, only to find out that it was a extremely aggressive melanoma. It has grown so fast, and so big that she is almost unable to eat, so we know the end is near. We are ready to put her down at the end of the week.

My moral dilemma isn't with her though, it's with our other dog, Harley who will be 15 years old next month. She was also a rescue that we took in at 8 years old, but she has been my baby since the day she walked into the house.

In the past month her arthritis has gotten to the point that she whines at night, and she stumbles and limps about, but with help, and pain meds she does ok.

In the past two weeks she has become almost totally fecally incontinent. She is pooping in her sleep, and sometimes doesn't even know it. We also, unless we get lucky, are picking up her piles throughout the day. We walk her religiously, at least three times a day, but unless we get lucky, it doesn't matter. She can be out for her walk, not go, and 5 minutes later be going in the house. She has no awareness that she has to go until it's too late.

Otherwise she is a happy lab, whose tail never stops wagging. But she is also a creature of habit who loves her sister that will be gone this week. I don't know if she can handle the grief, and we are contemplating letting them go together.

Although Harley could go on for months yet (remember she is a 15 year old lab) none of her problems will improve. Although my heart is breaking, our Vet says that either decision we make would be the right one.
Just thought I would get this out, and maybe someone would have some words of wisdom for me?

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I am so very sorry. Lunabell Jan 2017 #1
I'm sorry. Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #2
Thank You forthemiddle Jan 2017 #5
We put pads on the floor when we had an incontinent dog shenmue Jan 2017 #3
We have the bottle of Resolve, cleaner and Febreeze all over forthemiddle Jan 2017 #7
I'm sorry shenmue Jan 2017 #14
I have no words of wisdom. brer cat Jan 2017 #4
No words of wisdom I'm afraid... just sendin' words of encouragement (and virtual hugs) as you deal with this incredibly difficult and sad situation. InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2017 #6
I went through this with my precious dog Allie. mindem Jan 2017 #8
I don't know if I can offer wisdom - IndianaDave Jan 2017 #9
Thank You forthemiddle Jan 2017 #11
Heart breaking decision JustAnotherGen Jan 2017 #10
I am just a nobody on the internet, but your idea to have them both put Nay Jan 2017 #12
maybe not together... ginnyinWI Jan 2017 #13
This was a suggestion of my vet also forthemiddle Jan 2017 #15
if you trust your vet, follow her advice. ginnyinWI Jan 2017 #16
Thank you everyone! forthemiddle Jan 2017 #17
I'm so sorry for your loss. phylny Jan 2017 #18
Thank you forthemiddle Jan 2017 #19
So sorry you had to make this tough decision, but don't ever second-guess japple Jan 2017 #20
I am so sorry for your loss. I grieve with you irisblue Jan 2017 #21
 

Lunabell

(7,309 posts)
1. I am so very sorry.
Tue Jan 24, 2017, 08:14 AM
Jan 2017

I have only rescue babies and recently lost one to heart disease. So sorry you are going through it with your furbabies.

Buckeye_Democrat

(15,526 posts)
2. I'm sorry.
Tue Jan 24, 2017, 08:24 AM
Jan 2017


Do what you think is best for them. Life in pain isn't a great joy, obviously.

My parents had an old dog, my childhood buddy, put to sleep many years ago. She also had painful arthritis and yelped in pain sometimes just from shifting position slightly. She'd still give a friendly greeting to me and the other family when we approached her, but the pain could be read from her face.

While at the vet's office to put her to sleep, she seemed genuinely happy for the first time in years! I swear, it seemed like she knew what was going to happen and her facial expression conveyed, "THANK GOD!" I obviously don't know what was going through her mind, but it sure seemed that way. It's forever burnt into my memory.

forthemiddle

(1,459 posts)
5. Thank You
Tue Jan 24, 2017, 09:18 AM
Jan 2017

If it was just the poop, I would pick it up, and go on. But the stiffness and pain are hard to witness, although once shes up she is ok, it's getting up and down, and watching her just trying to get comfortable is tough. I bring her "bed" from room to room with us so she can always be close, like she likes it.

I am also just worried about the grief she may experience when Scooter isn't here. I have heard stories of dogs not eating, etc. and Scooter has always been her champion. Is it fair to put her through that, and will it help our grief watching her go down hill.

To tell the truth, the thought of us going through this all again in a few months also makes me think.

I just don't know what to do......... I find myself wishing that Labs weren't so damn happy almost all the time......

forthemiddle

(1,459 posts)
7. We have the bottle of Resolve, cleaner and Febreeze all over
Tue Jan 24, 2017, 09:22 AM
Jan 2017

The picking up of it is nothing, it's the whole idea of her going downhill, and the knowledge that none of her problems will improve, are what has me even thinking about this all.

I read a phrase from a vet that "It's better to let them go a week to early, than a week to late" so they don't suffer, and with her arthritis pain I don't know how much she is suffering now. But having said that, is it better to let them go a month to early, than a week to late?

brer cat

(27,587 posts)
4. I have no words of wisdom.
Tue Jan 24, 2017, 09:03 AM
Jan 2017

I can only send a virtual hug for support as you made this very difficult decision.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(25,518 posts)
6. No words of wisdom I'm afraid... just sendin' words of encouragement (and virtual hugs) as you deal with this incredibly difficult and sad situation.
Tue Jan 24, 2017, 09:18 AM
Jan 2017

I know its tough, but you'll get through it like so many of us have... hang in!

mindem

(1,580 posts)
8. I went through this with my precious dog Allie.
Tue Jan 24, 2017, 09:31 AM
Jan 2017

She was 14 and battled both the tooth cancer thing and the arthritis thing along with the pooping thing. Her tail never quit wagging and the last thing she did before going to the rainbow bridge was to give me a nose kiss. I went thru all of this with her while being care-giver to my mother while she went through the final stages of dementia. I lost Allie in January and Mom in March. I spent a lot of lonely time before I felt ready to get a new forever friend from the shelter just after Thanksgiving. Whiskers, my Giant Schnauzer German Shepard mix, instantly brightened my life to the point I wished I hadn't waited so long to get a new forever friend. It's hard, but you will pull through. Sometimes the best statement of love is to let go.

IndianaDave

(658 posts)
9. I don't know if I can offer wisdom -
Tue Jan 24, 2017, 09:59 AM
Jan 2017

but I do have some thoughts on your difficult and painful problem. Obviously, you're free to do whatever you choose, but in view of your clearly unselfish and compassionate motives, and with sincere respect for you and your furry companions, I suggest that you let them both go together.

First, had you not rescued them, their lives may have been joyless and even shorter. You have given them the wonderful gift of family, and I can tell from your agonizing over this decision, that they both experienced rich, fulfilling and love-filled lives.

Second -- even though I know you have the best of intentions-- keeping Harley alive after Scooter's gone would be almost distressing. She would probably be despondent at losing Scooter, and, considering her physical problems, it feels almost "wrong" to add emotional pain to her life. And - in addition - prolonging her life would simply mean delaying the inevitable. You already recognize that - if you keep Harley alive now - you will need to make another difficult trip to the vet a little later in the year.

Third -- And I need to advise you in advance that this is only my personal belief, based on my relationship with my own animal companion - I'm convinced that all intelligent creatures live beyond physical death. I believe in God, and I don't think God would provide us with loving animal companions on earth, and then refuse to allow those creatures to share eternity with us. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but I do believe that, at the end of your life, two of those who will first greet you in eternity will be Scooter and Harley. However, until you get there, I also believe they will have each other. I know it seems kind of corny and sentimental, but I believe it's true.

I have no idea if any of this is helpful to you, but I feel deep empathy for you as you face this painful decision. May you reach that decision comfortably and find inner peace in knowing that you have done the best that you could. My prayers and best wishes. -- Dave

forthemiddle

(1,459 posts)
11. Thank You
Tue Jan 24, 2017, 10:47 AM
Jan 2017

I also believe that they will be in Heaven waiting for us, along with our 1st dog that they never met.

I am very worried about her emotional response if we decide to wait, but we will be here to work her through it if we decide.

It is agonizing, but I wouldn't change anything with both my "girls" for anything in the world.

I may have rescued them, but they rescued us, in their own ways, too!

Nay

(12,051 posts)
12. I am just a nobody on the internet, but your idea to have them both put
Tue Jan 24, 2017, 10:53 AM
Jan 2017

to sleep together at the vet's office made me choke up with happiness. It's such a good idea; they are both suffering. But that's just me.

ginnyinWI

(17,276 posts)
13. maybe not together...
Tue Jan 24, 2017, 12:29 PM
Jan 2017

I'm a cat person, not a dog person--let me say that first.

If it were me, I don't think I'd take them in together. I'd take the one with melanoma this week--it looks like a no-brainer. I'd plan on taking in the other one soon, on another day.

I'm thinking of the huge shock to your household, and I'm thinking of possible remorse about taking in Harley just because of the other one.

As you said, you are managing Harley's pain okay. I'd give her a few more weeks of your exclusive care and be sure it is her time. It probably is, but I would want you to be sure.

Unless she is extremely attached to the other dog, I would guess that it is you she primarily needs. As an elderly dog, she may be more focused on her own physical woes and less on her relationship to the other dog?

forthemiddle

(1,459 posts)
15. This was a suggestion of my vet also
Tue Jan 24, 2017, 12:42 PM
Jan 2017

She has been wonderful, and said she supports any decision we make, because she knows either way, Harley isn't long for the world.

Thanks for your support!

ginnyinWI

(17,276 posts)
16. if you trust your vet, follow her advice.
Tue Jan 24, 2017, 12:47 PM
Jan 2017

We had the experience of keeping our old 18 year old cat alive too long (kidney failure/heart failure) because my husband could not let go, despite our vet's advice. In retrospect, the vet was right. I promised myself then that I would listen to the vet the next time, and we did when our next kitty's time came. They see many, many sick and dying pets and they have a much better and more objective perspective.

forthemiddle

(1,459 posts)
17. Thank you everyone!
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 09:27 PM
Jan 2017

Thanks so much for all the support!
We put down both girls together today and we are at peace with that decision.
It was a beautiful experience with the only "drama" being after the initial sedative was given.
Harley went out first, so when she was picked up to be put on the table, Scooter got agitated that we were taking her sister away. She struggled (she was drugged also at this point) to get to the table to stay at Harley's side.
That made our decision to keep them together in the end all the more rewarding, if you can call it that.
Knowing that somewhere they are together waiting for us gives us solace.

Thanks again for the support.

phylny

(8,818 posts)
18. I'm so sorry for your loss.
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 09:43 PM
Jan 2017

My husband always reminded me that "our dogs had better lives with us than most people on Earth." I have no doubt your dogs did as well.

forthemiddle

(1,459 posts)
19. Thank you
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 09:49 PM
Jan 2017

My husbands aunt once told us that when she died she wanted to come back as one of our dogs.
That was the best compliment we ever got!

japple

(10,459 posts)
20. So sorry you had to make this tough decision, but don't ever second-guess
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 12:14 PM
Jan 2017

yourself on this one. You made your decision out of love and with your dog's best intentions in mind. I feel sure your dog is grateful to be released from her sick body and is with your other dog in the spirit world, waiting for you to join them. Peace be with you.

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