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Separation

(1,975 posts)
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 06:10 PM Oct 2018

So I got to thinking about something today

I had mistakenly taken the apathy of, to the deaths of Syrians, Iraqis, and others to some sort of racism. I got to thinking of WWII, and the complete and total war, that Europe waged on each other. It doesnt have anything to do with race. Humans dont just have much empathy to other humans. The firebombings of Dresden, the indiscriminate bombings of London, and other European cities throughout the war.

I hope our children are paying attention.

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So I got to thinking about something today (Original Post) Separation Oct 2018 OP
I hope to hell this species doesn't eventually colonize other planets. Humans need to RKP5637 Oct 2018 #1
We see others as "other" vlyons Oct 2018 #2
Dang Separation Oct 2018 #4
If the basic nature of humans isn't clear by now, someone's appalachiablue Oct 2018 #3
People sure do like to pretend otherwise Separation Oct 2018 #5
Humans are able to justify, ignore and deny many negatives. appalachiablue Oct 2018 #8
Self interest yes, but aggression KT2000 Oct 2018 #9
Oh, please. JayhawkSD Oct 2018 #12
Nature, given enough time, has ways to evolve controls for aggressive species... TreasonousBastard Oct 2018 #6
we are protecting ourselves with myths KT2000 Oct 2018 #7
As said above Separation Oct 2018 #10
I understand... it's like some people don't care about their fellow human beings. CaptainTruth Oct 2018 #11
It's tribalism, and I think it is hardwired into us. MicaelS May 2019 #13

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
1. I hope to hell this species doesn't eventually colonize other planets. Humans need to
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 06:13 PM
Oct 2018

be confined to earth, which they are destroying. And they kill each other off. WTF...

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
2. We see others as "other"
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 06:17 PM
Oct 2018

as "they, them, those." From the Buddhist perspective, we think with a dualistic mind of object - subject, us - them. We are not taught that we've all interconnected. We all live together on the same planet. We are not deeply taught from childhood to be motivated to generate compassion for others.

appalachiablue

(41,399 posts)
3. If the basic nature of humans isn't clear by now, someone's
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 06:25 PM
Oct 2018

living under rocks. The pursuit of resources and property, aggression and self interest have and will always be the dominant motivator in humans.

KT2000

(20,643 posts)
9. Self interest yes, but aggression
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 06:49 PM
Oct 2018

is separate I believe. Ex., the R's believe they are meeting their self interest by excluding others and securing everything for themselves. They arm themselves for their own safety in their competitive, aggressive world.

The D's believe they are meeting self interest by making sure the society serves all and therefore mitigates the possibility of aggression and fear.

Overly simplified but I believe this is the basic difference.

 

JayhawkSD

(3,163 posts)
12. Oh, please.
Tue Oct 16, 2018, 01:16 AM
Oct 2018

Who bombed Libya into failed state status?

I'm a Democrat, but let's not be kidding ourselves.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
6. Nature, given enough time, has ways to evolve controls for aggressive species...
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 06:36 PM
Oct 2018

It seems in the short amount of time we've been around the only control for us is ourselves.

Racism is only one aspect of our tribalism. Just like honeybees and chimpanzees, we our own hives and tribes from outsiders.

KT2000

(20,643 posts)
7. we are protecting ourselves with myths
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 06:45 PM
Oct 2018

there comes a time in many peoples' lives where lack of empathy from friends and family is tested and comes up short. People with chronic illnesses that are not well understood learn this lesson. A show of empathy has an expiration date - about 3 months. Then the chronically ill are left behind by some. Same can be said for people grieving the loss of a loved one for an extended period.

That people in close proximity can do this, speaks volumes about countries that regard other countries as enemies. Not much mercy.

Separation

(1,975 posts)
10. As said above
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 06:58 PM
Oct 2018

Its probably an evolutionary failsafe.

After edit: I misunderstood above post. I guess I'm saying it can be used as an evolutionary failsafe for the human species

CaptainTruth

(6,692 posts)
11. I understand... it's like some people don't care about their fellow human beings.
Tue Oct 16, 2018, 01:03 AM
Oct 2018

I truly cannot understand that ... we're all on this same planet together.

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
13. It's tribalism, and I think it is hardwired into us.
Mon May 13, 2019, 02:15 PM
May 2019

One can take either an evolutionary viewpoint, or a biblical viewpoint. People evolved / started in small groups, and thus was born the Us v Them mindset. I am not saying it is impossible to change, I just think it is very hard for many to do so.

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