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Sun Jan 21, 2018, 04:12 PM

@CustomsBorder got on a Greyhound bus yesterday and asked every passenger for their papers

What country is this?



.@CustomsBorder got on a Greyhound bus yesterday at 4:30pm in Fort Lauderdale and asked every passenger for their papers and to prove citizenship. Proof of citizenship is NOT required to ride a bus! For more information about your rights, call our hotline👉 1-888-600-5762

9:44 AM - 20 Jan 2018



Captan a Inmigración pidiendo ‘papeles’ en un bus Greyhound en Florida (VIDEO)
Redacción MundoHispánico
Posted 5 horas ago

Un video grabado por un pasajero de un autobús Greyhound muestra a un agente de Aduanas y Protección de Fronteras de EE.UU (CBP) pidiendo documentos a una mujer para probar si tenía estatus legal en el país.

El video fue publicado por la organización activista Coalición de Inmigrantes de Florida, que informó a su vez que la parada ocurrió el viernes a las 4:30 de la tarde, hora local, en Fort Lauderdale.

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Reply @CustomsBorder got on a Greyhound bus yesterday and asked every passenger for their papers (Original post)
mahatmakanejeeves Jan 2018 OP
JDC Jan 2018 #1
Girard442 Jan 2018 #2
GreenPartyVoter Jan 2018 #9
paleotn Jan 2018 #29
sinkingfeeling Jan 2018 #3
Ilsa Jan 2018 #4
Scurrilous Jan 2018 #5
Ilsa Jan 2018 #6
AJT Jan 2018 #7
Irish_Dem Jan 2018 #38
Angry Dragon Jan 2018 #8
procon Jan 2018 #10
DFW Jan 2018 #25
TreasonousBastard Jan 2018 #11
Marthe48 Jan 2018 #27
Binkie The Clown Jan 2018 #12
citizen blues Jan 2018 #13
deancr Jan 2018 #14
TNNurse Jan 2018 #15
humbled_opinion Jan 2018 #16
bucolic_frolic Jan 2018 #17
Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2018 #18
MarcA Jan 2018 #21
aggiesal Jan 2018 #19
GreenEyedLefty Jan 2018 #31
aggiesal Jan 2018 #40
GreenEyedLefty Jan 2018 #41
aggiesal Jan 2018 #42
BigOleDummy Jan 2018 #20
Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #22
RKP5637 Jan 2018 #37
spike jones Jan 2018 #23
Timmygoat Jan 2018 #24
LW1977 Jan 2018 #26
Stonepounder Jan 2018 #28
lastlib Jan 2018 #30
samnsara Jan 2018 #32
paleotn Jan 2018 #33
NastyRiffraff Jan 2018 #34
PatSeg Jan 2018 #35
Irish_Dem Jan 2018 #36
Doodley Jan 2018 #39

Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 04:15 PM

1. This cannot stand

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 04:16 PM

2. "Ihre Papiere, bitte!"

If you're going to do it, say it right.

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Response to Girard442 (Reply #2)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 04:55 PM

9. +1,000,000!!!

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Response to Girard442 (Reply #2)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 06:37 PM

29. precisely.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 04:18 PM

3. I certainly don't carry around anything that proves my citizenship. Have

a driver's license and Social Security card, but neither proves citizenship as both can be faked.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 04:23 PM

4. I only carry a DL.

Toting around birth certificates is ridiculous.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 04:23 PM

5. K&R

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 04:24 PM

6. They should check citizenship papers for trump's marabogo employees. nt

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 04:28 PM

7. Unless you carry ypur passport or birth certificate around

how would you be able to prove citizenship?

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Response to AJT (Reply #7)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 07:21 PM

38. As the grandchild of Irish immigrants, I have an Irish passport and dual citizenship.

I think I will get on a bus with my Irish passport and when asked to show my papers, will tell them to F off and call the Irish Embassy.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 04:34 PM

8. GESTAPO.............NAZI

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 04:58 PM

10. Fourth Amendment - Search and Seizure



The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


They recently tried this and now have a class action lawsuit for violating constitution rights. Lessons learned? None. Nada. Zilch. Zip.


"The Department of Homeland Security is facing a class action lawsuit over an incident in which all the passengers on a domestic flight were held and searched by US Customs and Border Protection (CBP) agents before being allowed to get off their plane – potentially in violation of the US constitution."
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/12/lawsuit-claims-border-patrol-violated-constitution-by-searching-delta-plane

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Response to procon (Reply #10)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 06:22 PM

25. That only counts if the law is observed and respected by the authorities

In Trump's America, confronting an armed cop with nothing but the law on your side can have fatal consequences. You could end up dead right.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 05:22 PM

11. Incredible! The Border Nazis are out of control.

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #11)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 06:32 PM

27. Nowhere near a border

Nazi bastards. Are we still wearing safety pins? I have one on my purse and one on each jacket.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 05:36 PM

12. Same thing happened to me two years ago on a train near the Canadian border. nt

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 05:37 PM

13. Blatant racism!

Didn’t see any of the white people asked for ID.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 05:38 PM

14. This

is not America.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 05:42 PM

15. is the bus terminal in Ft Lauderdale an immigration point?

What the hell was border patrol doing there??

I really miss democracy.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 05:46 PM

16. Police State n/t

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 05:47 PM

17. I had to update my credit card info recently.

it's been with several different banks because they kept merging

they said the government requires us to keep up to date information. okay

they asked if I was a citizen. yes.

Do i have foreign bank accounts. No.

They asked my income and source.

As if the government doesn't have all that info? I file a tax return, I have a passport.
They learned nothing new for their phishing expedition.

Sounds to me like they are crosschecking databases, and requiring banks to provide
one set of info.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 05:50 PM

18. A dry run for introducing it nation-wide.


Those discriminatory profiling jackass are profiling poor people.

Equal even-handed enforcement of the law would see them demanding papers from first-class airline passengers too.

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #18)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 06:03 PM

21. And boarding private and corporate jets and asking same n/t

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 06:00 PM

19. Does anyone know which papers prove you're a US Citizen? ...

1) Birth Certificate only proves you're born here. But doesn't stop you from relinquishing your citizenship and become a citizen of a different country. So Birth Certificate is not a document that proves citizenship.
2) Social Security Card only proves you're working here legally if it's real or illegal if you can make a faked SS card. Again SS Card is not a document that proves citizenship.
3) Drivers License is issued state by state. No possible way this could be a citizenship document.
4) Passport is probably the closest anyone could get to verify citizenship, but the State Department can issue a passport to non-US citizens at its discretion. Besides, it is not mandatory that we all get a passport. In fact, I used to have one, but it expired in 2001 and I've gone without one ever since. Passport does not prove citizenship.

So, what document does everyone have that can be considered proof of citizenship?

I don't know of any.

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Response to aggiesal (Reply #19)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 06:44 PM

31. The Department of State requires a driver license/gov't issued ID and a birth/naturalization cert

to issue a passport.

A Driver License shows identity and residence. A birth certificate proves citizenship - place and time of birth.

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Response to GreenEyedLefty (Reply #31)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 11:21 PM

40. A birth certificate does not prove citizenship ...

It does mean the person is entitled to citizenship but
it doesn't stop you from relinquishing your U.S. citizenship
and become a citizen of a different country.

So Birth Certificate is not a document that proves citizenship.

I could move to Canada, relinquish my US citizenship and
become a citizen of Canada.

How would my birth certificate prove I'm a US citizen?

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Response to aggiesal (Reply #40)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 06:07 AM

41. Huh? A BC is the document the DoS needs to establish that you were born in the US

According to the Constitution you just need to be born here or naturalized to be a citizen. Just going off of experience of the minimum requirements to obtain a United States passport.

I am not an expert on immigration or Canadian law but it seems if you are going to relinquish your citizenship you probably have to meet some minimal requirements to prove that you were a citizen of somewhere else. The minimum standard is the birth certificate.

I can see this going circular so I'm going to leave it here.

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Response to GreenEyedLefty (Reply #41)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 02:11 PM

42. I understand ...

My point is that if, for example, you are a Canadian citizen, but was
born in the U.S. and not a U.S. citizen, when BP comes asking for your
papers, you can probably get away with showing your U.S. birth certificate,
but it's not a document of citizenship, since you would be a Canadian citizen.

Basically, just because you have a U.S. birth certificate, doesn't mean you
are a U.S. Citizen. It just means you have the ability to be a U.S. Citizen if
you choose to.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 06:03 PM

20. Well ........

....... Actually this is not really new. Back in the mid 80's I got on a Greyhound in Eagle Pass ,Texas. Border patrol/Customs , whoever I really don't remember the agency, got on after we loaded and checked everyone's papers. Except mine. I'm a white male. The uniformed agent got to me and said, "I guess you're American, huh?", turned around and left the bus. True story.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 06:12 PM

22. Nazi Germany?

I remember seeing that in old movies about WWII...when the SS and other bad guys would stop people on the street w/o cause and ask to see their "papers." I remember thinking...wow, how awful. What an awful, tyrannical place. I'm so glad I live in a democracy, where copy can't stop you to see some sort of papers, which you have to show, or you'll be arrested.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #22)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 07:13 PM

37. Yeah, sure sounds the same!!! n/t

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 06:13 PM

23. I only carry a drivers license and

I never show it to them unless I am actually driving. I tell them my name and answer other questions honestly if they are not intrusive. They always want to see some identifying papers and I always say no, not in America. I guess I should add, "Not yet."

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 06:20 PM

24. Brings back memories

When my husband was stationed in Europe. We crossed over to East Germany (after getting travel orders from the US) before the wall came down and this reminds me of what happened to us It also happened to us in slovakia, the only thing missing here seems
to be the very large mirror the border guards had mounted on wheels, this was used to roll under the bus to make sure no-one was
escaping by holding on to the bottom of the bus.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 06:30 PM

26. Sieg Heil yall

Nazi Arschlochs!

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 06:33 PM

28. This is how Democracy dies

How Democracies Die
Steven Levitsky and Daniel Ziblatt

“Levitsky and Ziblatt show how democracies have collapsed elsewhere—not just through violent coups, but more commonly (and insidiously) through a gradual slide into authoritarianism.... How Democracies Die is a lucid and essential guide to what can happen here.”
New York Times

“How Democracies Die studies the modern history of apparently healthy democracies that have slid into autocracy. It is hard to read this fine book without coming away terribly concerned about the possibility Trump might inflict a mortal wound on the health of the republic.... It is simplistic to expect boots marching in the streets, but there will be a battle for democracy.”
Jonathan Chait, New York Magazine

"Well worth the read."
--Stonepounder

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 06:43 PM

30. What country is this?

Nazi Amerikkka, I guess.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 06:47 PM

32. if i was on that bus i would flat out refuse.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 06:47 PM

33. Their uniforms are wrong....

There. That's better.



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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 06:53 PM

34. Zeig mir deine Papiere

This is truly frightening. Unfortunately, not surprising.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 06:57 PM

35. This is terrifying

For every incident like this that we hear about, how many others are there? I cringe watching movies about Nazi Germany where they demand people's papers. Now it is happening here for real.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 07:00 PM

36. I don't carry proof of citizenship with me unless I am flying.

"Carrying papers" with you at all time sounds like Nazi Germany.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 07:47 PM

39. Welcome to Trump's America

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