Nearly half of illegal guns in Calif. purchased in states with lax gun laws

[SecularMotion]

RENO, Nev. — California has some of the strictest gun laws in the country, but that doesn't stop some gun buyers from finding a way around those laws when shopping for weapons.

Nevada has seen its share of boom and bust. Though there's one export, besides lady luck, that Californians can't seem to get enough of -- handguns, shotguns and semi-automatic rifles.

"Probably half of the illegal weapons that are coming into San Francisco and the Bay Area are coming out of different states, such as Nevada, Texas, Arizona," said Lt. Bobby Guzman from the San Francisco District Attorney's Office. "I believe that Reno is one of the hot spots where all these weapons are coming just because they're in very close proximity to the San Francisco Bay Area."

http://www.ktvu.com/news/news/special-reports/nevadas-lax-gun-laws-make-it-popular-californians-/nWW2B/

[Clames]

1. So the other half are coming from states with strict gun laws?

Wonder how many originate within CA? Sounds like CA is trying to blame others for its own failed policies.

[SecularMotion]

2. The other half are most likely stolen from legal gun owners in CA

[upaloopa]

3. How is Nevada's lax gun laws to be blamed on CA?

If there is a twisted way to express something a gunner will use it.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

8. Why are CA problems with thugs being blamed on NV's reasonable gun laws?

[upaloopa]

10. You ever tell the truth? Guns have twisted your sense of reason?

Where in hell any where does any one say CA blames any one. It is a fact not fantasy that guns come into the state from other states. Just a clear declarative statement nothing else.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

11. Do you ever think critically or do you just repeat what you hear?

The bay area has some serious violence issues due in no small part to economic issues. The cause of the violence is not the guns. .

[upaloopa]

14. Look, violence is a an action. Guns are inanimate.

So of course they can't cause violence. That is not critical thinking.
Look at this. There are people out there digging lots of holes. We don't want lots of holes. The diggers are using shovels. If we reduce the number of shovels we reduce the ability to dig holes.
Now replace holes with violence and shovels with guns. That is critical thinking.

[kudzu22]

15. Doesn't hold up

If there are 1000 people digging holes and ten million shovels, then reducing the number of shovels by half has no impact on the number of holes being dug, since they can only use one shovel at a time. Further, there are other ways to dig holes. If you reduce the number of shovels to zero, the diggers will find new ways to make holes. To summarize, the number of shovels has nothing to do with the motive to make holes, which is the deciding factor as to whether a hole is dug or not.

[upaloopa]

16. Like I said, gun fetish has reduced your ability to reason

[kudzu22]

17. That's your refutation?

Attacking the person does not diminish the argument. Show me where I'm wrong.

[upaloopa]

18. This is a waste of time. People like me have to work for

more gun regulation and people like you got to hold your guns. There is not going to be a meeting of the minds.

[thucythucy]

4. I would think many are stolen

from legal gun owners, while many others simply can't be traced to a point of origin.

[gejohnston]

7. or that was the last 4473 filled out

before the owners moved to California before the gun got stolen. That could explain Puerto Rico and Guam. It could also explain the higher time to crime, which is a couple of years over the national average.

http://www.atf.gov/statistics/download/trace-data/2011/2011-trace-data-california.pdf

[petronius]

9. Lt. Guzman only referred to the Bay Area, rather than the whole state, but for CA as

a whole that ATF data doesn't seem to support a "nearly half" claim. It would be interesting to know how Guzman is defining an 'illegal gun' and where his numbers come from - seems like he might be guesstimating...

[kudzu22]

5. You mean, "purchaed in states without draconian gun laws"

Just because one state thinks it should be illegal doesn't mean all states should. Or should all states ban gay marriage because Mississippi doesn't like it?

Always err on the side of freedom.

[Tempest]

6. Obviously no point in debating the issue with you

"in states without draconian gun laws"

It's obvious even simple gun control laws would be considered draconian to you.

[ileus]

13. Well stated...Ca law seeks to make a criminal out of anyone.

Someone moving to Ca with a S2k is a criminal right off the bat.

[ileus]

12. Sounds like it should be illegal to bring illegal guns into Ca.

I recommend more laws....many many more laws. That should help...

I'm sure the criminals will obey the new ones.

[oneshooter]

19. It depends on your personal definition of"lax gun laws"is.