Couple turns self in after pulling gun in road rage incident caught on tape

[Paul E Ester]

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A man and a woman seen in cell phone video in a weekend road rage case in Carteret County have turned themselves in at the Lenoir County Courthouse.

WITN's Dan Yesenosky says shortly after 4:00 p.m. Bradley and Christy Turner walked into the Lenoir County Sheriff's Office in Kinston.

The La Grange couple are facing charges for yesterday afternoon's case of road rage, part of which was caught by a cell phone camera.

Turner, who first walked into the courthouse, is sporting a black left eye. His wife followed him inside.

Bradley Turner is charged with discharging a weapon into property, two counts of assault by pointing a gun, going armed to the terror of the people, injury to personal property, and assault.

His wife is charged with two counts of assault by pointing a gun.
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Bradley got back into his Toyota SUV and drove off, but returned moments later and fired shots at the Chevy truck, deputies said. The shooting happened at about 1 p.m. Sunday. The people in the Chevy had left the vehicle and were not hurt, deputies said.

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Bringing a gun to a fist fight gets them both charged.

Strange wording: for one charge "going armed to the terror of the people" I assume most places call that brandishing.

[spin]

1. As I watch the video, I feel the man who used the handgun started the fight. ...

If so, it's difficult to claim self defense after that point.

His wife hands him the gun after the fight has ended. No self defense here either. I may be wrong but I feel the gun discharged when he racked the slide which means he had his finger on the trigger.

This would make an excellent video to show a concealed carry class.

In passing, I would like to mention that I became a much more polite driver when I started to carry my legally concealed handgun. For example I stopped flipping the bird to a driver who cut me off in traffic or pulled out in front of me. In fact I became a much more polite person overall.

[pipoman]

2. Much to the chagrin

of many hereabouts...most states with concealed carry laws (49), have many accompanying laws against being an idiot in possession of a firearm. Conviction on a violation of most any of these laws results in loss of 2nd amendment rights. So, no concealed carry isn't now and never has been a license to kill or even scare...contrary to what you may hear..

*I don't know if these people have concealed carry permits or not...won't matter in the prosecution of those charges against them doesn't seem..

[rdharma]

3. Initiate a confrontation and throw the first punch in an assault.......

...then get your ass kicked...... pointing a gatt your wife handed to you?

Ooops!

PS- No actual firing of the weapon involved.

[Paul E Ester]

5. gun might have gone off when he racked the slide...nt

[Serve The Servants]

7. I think that was the car door slamming /nt

[Paul E Ester]

8. Dumbass came back and shot up the truck

Bradley got back into his Toyota SUV and drove off, but returned moments later and fired shots at the Chevy truck, deputies said. The shooting happened at about 1 p.m. Sunday. The people in the Chevy had left the vehicle and were not hurt, deputies said.

[Serve The Servants]

10. Holy Crap

I missed that part.

SUV driver needs to spend some time in prison.

[Blue_Tires]

21. Sadly, in my time I've known a lot of his type...

"losing/lost a 1v1 fight in the club; run outside to the car and get gun, or drive off, emptying the mag at the crowd of bystanders assembled outside"

I remember a student at my alma mater doing this shit, but his dad was wealthy and influential in local politics so the college didn't even expel him...Fucker even had the nerve to make a celebratory spectacle of himself on graduation day...

[guardian]

4. IMO the CCW was in the wrong on the wrong on this one

He initiated the fight. If the other two had initiated the fight then disparity of force might come into play. If you CCW then you best option is always to retreat if possible. Do everything you can to avoid confrontation to avoid escalation.

[av8r1998]

11. People like this

While few and far between, are what make us (CCW holders) look irresponsible.
The overwhelming majority of us will never need to point a gun at anything but a target.

[Ikonoklast]

13. But the sad part is, this guy has anger issues. Should never be allowed to carry.

Looks like his first response to any potential situation is to resort to violence.

He's just lucky that the driver he first assaulted was not armed, or he'd be dead, and the person he struck would have been in the right.

[av8r1998]

14. That's a difficult one...

Though based on the circumstances probably justifiable.
My training is Draw, Command, Assess...If no compliance, Front Sight... press.
Stay in the fight till te threat is stopped.

But of course it still needs to meet the DPF threshold before the gun comes out of the holster.

RE:Not being allowed to carry, I find it hard to believe a guy that would get out of a car and punch someone over a traffic incident doesn't have at least some indicator of unsuitability in his background.
If he does you're right.
If not, it's impossible to determine.

[Ikonoklast]

15. Which came first, though?

Did he get a false sense of security knowing that he had a loaded weapon close at hand. or is he a belligerent asshole to begin with, ready to resort to violence over any perceived slight?

Seems that only an idiot would instigate a fist fight knowing that he was outnumbered to begin with, or thought that he could assault another person with no retaliation in kind.

As the aggressor in that situation, he's lucky the two who fought back used boundaries, or right now, he'd either be in the hospital or the morgue.

You are going to see more and more of these type of situations as CCW permits were handed out to almost anyone that legally applied for one; statistics will start to accumulate as people that should never be allowed to carry use those weapons indiscriminately, and illegally.

[av8r1998]

16. I suspect he lacks training

As you may know, I am an instructor.
I teach my students that incorpporating a firearm into their personal defense PLAN carries responsibilities with it.
Carrying SHOULD change your behavior ... for the better.

I can't speak for the asshole in the video, but I had a LONG conversation with the Exec. Director of CAGV (Connecticut Against Gun Violence) He brought up Treyvon Martin. He made the statement to ME that if someone were following HIM, he would certainly confront them. I countered with "That's funny... if someone is following ME, I try to avoid, get away, find a public place to avoid the confrontation."... which is what I am trained to do.

I have been asked about the "False Sense Of Security." I don't have one. At all.

You are going to see more and more of these type of situations as CCW permits were handed out to almost anyone that legally applied for one; statistics will start to accumulate as people that should never be allowed to carry use those weapons indiscriminately, and illegally.

I can't say I agree with this.
Statistics being compiled may give us better empirical evidence as to who should and shouldn't have a permit, but I am concerned that these statistics may lead to correlation without causation. For example, auto insurance companies use credit rating to price insurance policies. Is there a "correlation" between claims and credit? I guess so. Is it causative? Most likely not. I would hate to see standards like that be used to issue permits. (Though it is part of getting a NYC permit)

[av8r1998]

12. In this case ...

Self Defense = FAIL ... Initiating a confrontation trumps SD. (Even use of mere physical force, not DPF)
Disparity of force = FAIL... the 2 kids broke off the attack once the threat was stopped, and IMHO did not escalate beyond what was necessary to stop the attack
Use of DPF to stop the use of DPF - FAIL! The 2 kids NEVER escalated to even the hint of a threat of DPF.

This guy should lose his CCW and do time for this stupid stunt.

If the 2 kids HAD escalated to the level of DPF, then use of DPF MAY once again become justified.
You are ONLY permitted to use a level of force NECESSARY to stop a threat.

[Serve The Servants]

6. You know why I behave myself in public

Because I really don't want the rest of the world to see me get my ass beat on youtube.

And to brandish a gun after what is essentially a mutual combat situation? Sorry, Mr and Mrs. Dumbass... You swung first, the kids did not have a weapon (well, except for all those knees-knees-knees) and they ceased the minute tough guy's ass hit the pavement. YOU FAIL.

[CokeMachine]

9. Yep!! n/t

[gejohnston]

18. Does anyone disagree with gun blog

TTAG awarding them with their Irresponsible Gun Owner of the Day?
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/03/robert-farago/irresponsible-gun-owner-of-the-day-bradley-turner/

[rdharma]

19. I am the NRA!

[bottomofthehill]

20. great caption