This says it all.........

[rdharma]

[MotherPetrie]

1. It sure does! K&R and fuck the NRA!

[Smilo]

2. Why the hurry to buy a gun anyway?

Surely, you can wait to go and fire off a few rounds?

And, don't say it's hunting season and I need my gun now - that would suggest you are a very poor hunter.

[spin]

3. I feel that there is a chance that a requirement for universal background checks to pass Congress ..

as long as there is no federal registration of the firearms involved.

The chances would have been considerably higher had not the gun control advocates and the media overreached and pushed for a new assault weapons ban.

[guardian]

4. Because of the antigunners' incrementalist approach to legislation

I am not in favor of universal background checks. And I will spend my money and time to fight against it.

First it will be universal background checks. Then, adding the make, model, and serial number of each firearm transfered. Then permanent database of who owns what guns. Then confiscation. This pattern has been repeated numerous times in the recent past. Given the rhetoric of the antigunners and their crazed vilification of all things guns, there is no reason to believe this pattern would not be repeated here.

There are enough laws and regulations on the books now. Hold the line. NO MORE! PERIOD!

[rdharma]

5. "Then permanent database of who owns what guns."

What's the matter, guardian? Are you ashamed of the guns you own and don't want anybody to know about them?

[clffrdjk]

8. What's the matter rdharma?

Are you ashamed of what goes on in your bedroom/voting booth/doctors office why don't you want anybody to know about that?

[rdharma]

9. "what goes on in your bedroom"

What the heck are you doing with your gun, clffrdjk?!!!!!!

[clffrdjk]

11. whatever I want

[rdharma]

13. What happened to that drill sergeant in that movie?

[clffrdjk]

15. He and several others before him didn't do their jobs and he paid the price

A little action on mental health could go a long ways.

[rdharma]

14. Whatever you want, eh?

skip to 02:40...... Is this what you want?

&feature=player_embedded

[clffrdjk]

16. do you have a point?

great scene but what are you trying to get at?

[guardian]

17. Just ignore him

Some posters cannot differentiate between reality and movie fiction. If it weren't for movies and tv he probably wouldn't know what a gun looks like.

[rdharma]

18. I wasn't the first to bring up the movie

[Deep13]

27. Oh for gods' sake.

Advertisers know everything we own anyway.

[rdharma]

29. The NRA has no problem sharing/selling their membership list....... nt

[spin]

6. That view is held by many gun owners and because of the push for the new AWB ...

many of the remaining gun owners who did favor universal background checks are changing their opinion and see it as just one step in the path to ban and confiscate all firearms as you do.

By overreaching, the gun control movement has stopped many ideas that would have improved our existing gun laws. I also fear a significant backlash at the polls and foresee many good Democrats losing their seats in Congress at the midterms and the next Presidential election.

For those who disagree, I will point out that there are 80 to 100 million gun owners in our nation and when you add the voting age members of their families who enjoy shooting, you end up with an enormous voting block. Another factor is all the insults that the gun control advocates have enjoyed throwing at gun owners. Insults tend to piss people off and in this case gun owners might find their revenge at the polls.

[guardian]

12. 1000+

[av8r1998]

19. this....

@rdharma-
who ya gonna blame for a repub house AND senate in 2014.
Oh yeah.... right... all the nra's fault....

Won't be on my head... no senate seats to vote for here.

[spin]

20. If the gun control issue enables the Republicans to gain control of the Senate ...

I would blame the loss on the effort by the gun control advocates to pass another AWB. Of course other issues make take priority but there is no doubt in my mind that gun owners have long memories and they vote.

If gun control advocates would have pressed for improvements in our gun laws and for universal background checks, I feel that because the NRA and the Republicans oppose such ideas Democrats might have gained more seats in the Senate and the House as many voters, including a good number of gun owners, would have seen the Democratic approach as reasonable and logical.

As far as the NRA, it only has 4.5 million members out of the 80 million gun owners. I feel gun owners can be quite reasonable if only we stop trying to ban certain guns because of cosmetic features. I can't imagine any responsible gun owner who isn't horrified by the recent massacres that we have lived through as a nation. The problem is that you can't convince a gun owner that he is in any way personally responsible for the actions of a criminal or a mad man and he should no longer be allowed to own some or all of his firearms. Still he will support efforts to keep all firearms out of the hands of those who should not own them.

[av8r1998]

21. this is the problem with

Gun owners and gun controllers alike.
There are a lot of reasonable people on both sides...
Who can't see anything beyond there own myopic POV.

[jmg257]

24. Naaa..the NRA will get the blame when next gun fucker shoots up a

Mall or school or theater. And rightly so.

A republican congress we can blame on the Right wing NRA dupes who vote 'guns!'.

[spin]

25. So you are going to blame 4.5 million NRA members for your failure to pass the AWB. ...

That's like blaming the cheerleading squad when your football team loses a game.

If 75% of the 80,000,000 gun owners would have strongly supported another AWB it would have likely flown through Congress and would now be law.

Now because you poisoned the water by pushing for a "ban", we will find it hard to pass reasonable laws such as the universal background check.

[jmg257]

31. Nope...telling you who is going to get the blame when it happens again,

Just like this last time. You can justify the blame/reason why any way you want., and argue whether its deserved or not. But it will be there, as it is now. Much more focus on the resistance/blocks to 'meaningful control' then on Lanza and 'why'.

The NRA and their supporters, and 'guns', are taking thr brunt of the heat, and so it will continue.

[spin]

37. Do you actually believe that I am personally responsible for the actions of mad men ...

and criminals simply because I own firearms and support the 2nd Amendment.

You can blame me if you wish but that's somewhat like blaming the Muslim who runs the convenience store down the street from me for the 9/11 massacre.

I do feel a responsibility to work to improve existing gun laws in our nation and find ways to better enforce them. That does not include banning certain weapons because of their cosmetic features or requiring all firearms to be registered.

What I find sad is that the efforts to pass the AWB have caused the sale of all firearms to skyrocket. Millions of firearms are now in homes of people who lack the training to handle them in a safe and responsible manner and have little reason to own a firearm. I feel that you and other gun control advocates have to bear some blame for this. Feel free to disagree.

[jmg257]

45. You keep asking or insinuating *I* blame *you*...It is not some personal thing.

And then offer up some comparison, of how it is unjustifiable for me to blame you.
No..I don't actually blame you personally.

What I am saying is People blame 'guns', and the NRA is getting the blame from all over (for resisting more regulation), and continue to do so, and will once again when it happens the next time, and the times after that.

Doesn't matter if you don't agree, or think it unwarranted.

[spin]

46. It's not just the NRA that opposes the AWB but most gun owners. ...

It's foolish to believe that the NRA is the only obstacle to the AWB and gun bans as the organization has only 4.5 million members spread over all 50 states. Your real problem is gun owners who show up at the polls to vote and contribute to the campaigns of politicians who oppose strong gun control.

It's hard to for the media and politicians to admit that it has totally failed in its efforts to convince its readers, many who are gun owners, to support gun bans. Therefore both need a big bad bogeyman to blame.

You could cast a spell and wave your magic wand and make the NRA disappear and you would still be unable to get an AWB to pass. Your real foe is the gun owners and the gun culture in our nation. You will find your efforts to ban firearms blocked at every turn.

You will be able to achieve success in some states but not in others but you may run into the Supreme Court and lose again if you over reach. Why not just stop talking about "bans" and work with responsible gun owners to find ways to improve our current laws, pass new effective legislation and better enforce the old and new laws?

I will also suggest that simply ending our War on Drugs would save far more lives lost to gun violence than any AWB. We lost this war decades ago but still spend an enormous amount of money trying to stop the flow of drugs such as marijuana into our nation. The sale of illegal drugs is a profitable enterprise for drug gangs and cartels and results in a high percentage of gun violence on our streets caused when the gangs fight over turf.

[jmg257]

47. Sheesh..."you" "you" "your". Its not all about me!

Its not even slightly about me. MY problems are very limited in all this (so far anyway).
I.e. If I could cast a spell, the NRA would be quite a bit down on my list of things I would be thinking about.

I agree about gun owners blocking legislation and the gun culture...And they are getting PLENTY of blame too. Blaming the NRA could indeed give an easy bogey man target that can be more...freely ridiculed, but I think most NRA supporters still take it personal. It is what it is though.

[spin]

48. There has been an increasing tendency among many gun control advocates ....

to insult gun owners since the AWB looks DOA.

I'm not saying that you are guilty of this but I often point out to all gun control advocates that insulting the NRA and gun owners only makes passing effective legislation far more difficult.

Of course if the NRA disappeared, the GOA would probably replace it. Those that dislike the NRA would hate the GOA as they are an absolutely NO COMPROMISE gun rights group.

Gun Owners of America

Gun Owners of America (GOA) is a gun rights organization in the United States with over 300,000 members.[1] It makes efforts to differentiate itself from the larger National Rifle Association (NRA), and has publicly criticized the NRA on multiple occasions for allegedly compromising on gun rights issues and thereby selling out the gun rights movement.

The GOA has often been in opposition to the NRA in its endorsements and ratings of politicians and candidates. For instance, the GOA was outspoken in its opposition to John McCain's 2008 presidential bid, describing his gun-rights voting record as "abysmal, wretched, and pathetic"[2] and giving him an F- grade on Second Amendment issues since 2004, while the NRA (through its PAC, the NRA-PVF) gave him a C+.[3] The GOA took issue with the NRA over the 2007 NICS Improvement Act.[4]

The GOA has been described by Congressman Ron Paul as "The only no-compromise gun lobby in Washington." This quote from Paul has long been displayed prominently on the home page of the Gun Owners of America website, and Paul was the only 2008 Presidential candidate to receive an A+ grade from Gun Owners of America.[5]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_Owners_of_America

I agree with your comment on casting a spell. If you could do it , there are plenty of things to use such a skill on. I suspect that if you did cast a spell for a good purpose, the law of unintended consequence would cancel the good out and you would find that you had done more harm than good.

[jmg257]

49. I wouldn't be surprised. I tend to get carried awy at times with being disparaging.

Sometime just because I am in a mood, But usually related to the gunners here getting jubulant over all the new sales after the latest tragedy or mocking the defeat of a proposed law..seems childish to me in some cases.

[spin]

50. The skyrocketing sale of firearms disturbs me. ...

Many of these newly purchased firearms will end up in homes with owners who lack safety training and will probably be stored improperly. Many people who have bought the weapons have little or no reason to have one.

When I grew up in the 1950s and 60s in a rural area of Ohio firearms ownership was limited to target shooters, collectors and hunters. .22 caliber rifles were fairly common and were used for plinking or squirrel hunting. I feel our society would be far better if we could return to a time where firearms were only owned by those who had a good reason to own one.

The increase in the sale of firearms in the last several months was brought on by the threat of a new AWB. The law had little chance of passing from the beginning but the effort to pass it has led to millions of firearms ending up in homes that may not have had a firearm before.

I have all the firearms that I currently need so the fact that it is difficult to find many firearms presents no problem to me. However the availability of ammo has decreased and its price has also skyrocketed. This has impacted my target shooting.

[rdharma]

39. Oh.... the fear of the NRA and gun nutters in upcoming elections!

Buwahahahahaa!

Look what happened in VA when the NRA tried to take Tim Kaine down! He's now a US Senator in a purple state!

Please, take your NRA propaganda elsewhere. I'm not buying it!

[av8r1998]

42. bwahahaha

This will be a total fail in congress...
Best the dems can hope for is a big fat nothing.
If anti gun hysteria is as " popular" as you say, dems will win the house.
NOTHING will pass

[rdharma]

43. The "dems", eh?

I think you just got busted, av8r1998!

[clffrdjk]

7. a big +1 nt

[rdharma]

10. Alex Jones says the "black helicopters" are coming! nt

[bubbayugga]

22. Just skip the registration part, the AWB part, and the magazine ban part and you might have a shot

at pasing universal back ground checks. That won't happen though so prepare to fight.

[rdharma]

23. Record keeping must be retained.....

The AWB and magazine ban aren't needed as much as a system to follow the guns.

[bubbayugga]

30. keeping guns out of the hands of criminals and crazies is the most important thing.

Universal background checks and enforcement of current gun laws will accomplish that. The registration issue is poison.

[jmg257]

35. The registration is needed to cut down on illegal gun flow...a huge problem.

Registration makes gun owners a liitle more responsible for what happens to every gun they get, and culpible if they break the law.

[armueller2001]

53. Registration leads to confiscation

Why are firearms owners so leery of registration and more regulations? Because the anti-rights folks have made it very clear what their end goal of all the incremental cuts is. It cannot be achieved all at once, but must be taken in small steps. If you throw a frog in boiling water, he will quickly jump out. But put him in cold water and slowly turn up the temperature, he'll cook to death without ever realizing what is happening.

Right now the discussion is about "assault weapons" and standard capacity magazines. Next will be "sniper" deer rifles with "armor piercing" ammunition (most standard rifle ammunition will penetrate a police issue vest, designed to stop handgun calibers). Then concealable, hidden handguns. "Destructive" shotguns. What is the ultimate checkmate?

"Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition of private firearms is the goal."
Janet Reno, U.S. Attorney General, 1993

"Banning guns is an idea whose time has come."
Joseph Biden, U.S. Senator, 1993

"f I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them ... "Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in," I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren't here."
Dianne Feinstein, U.S. Senator, 1995

"We're going to have to take one step at a time, and the first step is necessarily -- given the political realities -- going to be very modest... Right now, though, we'd be satisfied not with a half a loaf but with a slice. Our ultimate goal -- total control of handguns in the United States -- is going to take time. My estimate is from seven to ten years. The first problem is to slow down the increasing number of handguns produced and sold in this country. The second problem is to get them all registered. And the final problem is to make the possession of *all* handguns and *all* handgun ammunition -- except for the military, policemen, licensed security guards, licensed sporting clubs, and licensed gun collectors -- totally illegal."
Nelson T. "Pete" Shields, Chairman, Handgun Control, Inc. 1976

[jmg257]

54. Yes it could. If that was the goal. BTW, just so you know, Feinstein was talking about

Assault weapons in that out of context quote, in response to questions about manufacturers skirting the loopholes in the new ban. Typical NRA/RW ploy to drag that one out as 'proof'.

Bad form to mis-represent Democrats on DU.

[Jenoch]

56. Since she was the author

of the 1994 AWB, I assumed that's what she was referring to. I am sure others made that connection as well.

[oneshooter]

55. I seem to remember a recent bill in California to confiscate all the

registered semi-automatic rifles in the state.

[rdharma]

40. "enforcement of current gun laws"

Sounds good but impossible to do without a system that you can trace the gun to the owner.

[Deep13]

26. I've never found it so.

I is an undue burden to those with felony records or other legal disabilities.

[Common Sense Party]

28. So if that "says it all"...

...does that mean you won't be saying anything more on the subject? Ever?

Sounds good to me.

[holdencaufield]

32. Actually ... it doesn't say anything at all.

Because there is no connection between the shooting in CT, or any other mass shooting for that matter, and background checks.

Can you name a single mass shooting that would have been prevented by a background check?

I don't object to background checks, but to say they will prevent mass shootings is just an appeal to emotion (like this comic) and has no basis in fact.

[SQUEE]

33. I agree it says all I need to know

Gun banners will dance on any and all graves to get what they want, no child is sacred or life precious enough not to use as a bloody shirt to appease your fear and cowardice.

[Ikonoklast]

58. Just as long as it's not YOU having to carry the coffin of a loved one gunned down in cold blood,

it's all good, right?

Fear and cowardice my ass. Get back to me when *you* get that phone call.

[rdharma]

34. bloody shirt?

What's the matter? Is it uncomfortable for the "responsible gun owners" to hear about the results of a mass murder with their favorite toy?

Don't talk about the "death toll" and it will go away, eh?

Move along...... nothing to see here, folks. Right?

[Clames]

38. Talking to yourself again?

Generally happens with those who forget which account they've signed in with...

[rdharma]

41. I've obviously got YOUR attention!

[Eleanors38]

51. My guess is the NRA will pay royalties to this cartoonist. They have before.

For some reason, they find stuff like this useful.

[rdharma]

52. I'm sure the NRA will "love" this cartoon!

[Eleanors38]

57. That's why they post 'em to their members; keeps the pot simmering...

You'd think MSM's old-line picture drawers would take a hint as to their effectiveness.

[rdharma]

59. Effectiveness?

Since a majority of NRA members are FOR universal background checks, I think the NRA should reconsider their use of such cartoons in their propaganda.

[Eleanors38]

60. Well, go tell 'em if you want.

[Skip Intro]

61. Oh brother. BS like that is one reason why gun control at the fed level is tanking.