'We're going to swoop down with Special Forces folks and gather up every gun in America'

[Paul E Ester]

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Biden mocks gun skeptics: 'We're going to swoop down with Special Forces folks and gather up every gun in America'

[rdharma]

1. I have no problem with the VP pointing out how absurd and paranoid some are. nt

[premium]

2. Do you have a problem with him telling people to shoot through the door?

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/02/28/biden-advises-shooting-shotgun-through-door

Vice President Joe Biden told Field & Stream magazine in an interview published Monday, "[if] you want to keep someone away from your house, just fire the shotgun through the door."

[JoeBlowToo]

3. Just because he says so doesn't mean you have to do it...

Get real and stop acting like an NRA board member.

[premium]

4. Get real and admit that what he said is

1. Illegal in most states
2. A really stupid thing to say.
3. Acting like an NRA board member? Is that the best you can do?
How is pointing out a huge fallacy acting like an NRA board member?

[Starboard Tack]

7. I don't think he was talking about Jehova's Witnesses

Joe doesn't always say the smartest things but I think we all know what he really meant. I love Joe and if I really wanted to stop someone from coming into my house, I might well take his advice.
BTW, because something is legal or illegal, doesn't make it right or wrong or dumb or smart.
I've seen guys here on DU who claim it's smart to carry a gun around, just in case. Now, that may be legal, but it sure as hell isn't smart.

[Bay Boy]

5. I can't imagine you would have said:

" Just because he says so doesn't mean you have to do it..." if it had been a pro 2A person who had made that comment.

[Eleanors38]

25. Your rather standard attack misses the point...

He gave bad advice on a subject he claims to have credibility with. Actually, most folks with guns know how stupid his advice is. And they aren't on the NRA's "board." Or on your's, either.

[rdharma]

6. So you think that "Special Forces" are going to swoop in and confiscate your guns, premium? nt

[premium]

8. Oh hell no.

There will never be forced confiscation in this country, as in, going door to door and forcefully disarming the population, any one who thinks like that, or wishes for it, are, in my opinion, paranoid kooks.

[rdharma]

9. So you understand why the VP was making fun of the nutters? nt

[premium]

10. Yes I do,

and I agree with him.
Now, I answered your question, how about answering mine?

[rdharma]

11. "and I agree with him"

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[premium]

12. Cute. cat.

Looks like a cross between a siamese and ?

Do you agree with his statement about shooting through the door?

[shedevil69taz]

49. soooo

People in New Orleans were having a mass hallucination when police officers took their legally owned weapons with the threat of arrest if they didn't willingly surrender them?

[Tuesday Afternoon]

13. just another politician talking out of both sides of his mouth. stay cool.

[Jenoch]

14. The only person who I have heard

mention anything about specials forces confiscating guns is Joe Biden.

[rdharma]

15. I've heard plenty of looney talk about gun confiscation. nt

[Jenoch]

16. I've read posts

on these threads written by gun grabbers who wish to confiscate all privately owned firearms. The only person I have ever heard mentioning special forces is Joe Biden.

[rdharma]

17. You're stuck on the "Special Forces" thang, eh? nt

[Jenoch]

18. I didn't bring it up,

Vice-president Biden did. And you replying to my initial post, and the one after that, makes YOU the person who is stuck on the "Special Forces".

[Tommy_Carcetti]

20. Hell, I have probably 3-4 Facebook "friends" alone who have openly speculated as such. nt

[Jenoch]

22. I have never heard

anyone suggest that Navy SEALS or Army Green Berets do door to door confiscating guns. Hell, I haven't seen it mentioned on these threads until I saw the video with Biden mentioning it.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

24. First of all, I don't know if the Vice President was literally quoting some gun conspiracy theorist

You don't have to take it word for word.

He was making a funny, based on the whole "government is going to take my guns!" crowd, which is a very real state of mind for way too many people out there.

Jeez, trying to explain this to you reminds me of this:

[Jenoch]

32. I would call you a name

for making assumptions, but I don't want it to go over your head. Of course I know why Vice-president Biden said what he said. However, I have not heard anyone else make such a reference.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

33. So the Vice President loses all credibility unless someone actually suggests that.....

.....special forces will go around confiscating guns?

The VP was playing a caricature of very real paranoid gun conspiracy theorists out there.

Thankfully, the Internet is the nut's playground, so a simple Google search can actually show the Vice President could be taken literally at his word:

http://zachjonesishome.wordpress.com/2013/03/04/what-will-happen-if-obama-orders-the-u-s-military-to-confiscate-guns-in-america/

http://www.teaparty.org/obama-wont-confiscate-guns-are-you-blind-22548/

http://www.infowars.com/obama-would-call-on-military-to-disarm-americans-during-national-emergency/

Now, if you'll excuse me, I need a shower.

[Jenoch]

34. Why are you so

preoccupied with this? You have obviously put a bit of time and effort into attempting to tell me why I am wrong about wgat I have, or more precisely, have not read or heard. I made an observation about a comment Vice-president made, that is all.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

35. Because your reaction was so shocked that the Vice President would insinuate such a thing.

As if he was being reckless about saying it.

When in fact there are many, many people out there who literally believe that exact thing, that the Government is going to send in the military to take away your guns.

[Jenoch]

37. Where did you get 'shocked'?

I made a simple comment that I had not heard anyone mention special forces going door to door confiscating guns. You are reading way too much into it. Read only the words I post. I am responsible for those words. The assumptions you make are on you.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

39. Obviously it meant enough to you for you to post it.

If it wasn't so surprising to you, then why bring it up?

Given that it came from someone whose used the words "gun grabber," alert flags came up for me.

[Jenoch]

40. Where did you get 'surprised'?

Again, you are making assumptions a d reading waaaay too much into a fairly innocuous comment I made concerni g a remark made by Vice-president Biden. You're really worked up over this, aren't you? (I made that assumption based solely on the number of times you keep bringing this up. Give it a rest.)

[Tommy_Carcetti]

41. Clearly I touched a nerve by calling you out.

Again, you had to be bothered enough by the Vice President's comment to bring it up and insinuate he was making stuff up. Why you got so bothered, that I can't say.

[Jenoch]

42. There you go again.

I 'insinuated' nothing. You have assumed a lot. I never insinuated, implied, or wrote that Vice-president Biden made anything up. I assume he had a source for his comment. I just don't know what it was, thus the comment I initially made. The only nerve you touched is the never-ending replies about a fairly unimportant observation I made about Vice-president Biden's comments. Every time you keep this gping you are making yourself look more and more foolish. I was not accusing, insinuating, or otherwise disparaging the vice-president in any way.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

43. Okay there, Ronnie.

The Vice President gently mocks paranoid gun enthusiasts (in my opinion, justifiably) by alluding to theories some of them have actually espoused.

You suddenly pop up out the blue, for no apparent reason, and say to the effect, "He said what? I've never heard anyone else ever said that! Never!"

Now, if I were to (your favorite word coming up) assume, I might think you--as an apparent gun enthusiast--are rather ashamed by the company that you keep with some of your brethren gun enthusiasts who wax paranoid about conspiracies that the US government is coming to take your guns away, and sheepishly wish to minimize any association you may have with such folks by claiming that those people may in fact only exist in the Vice President's head. (While in reality, they actually do exist.)

But you choosing to play coy, I don't know why you actually said what you said. Who knows, maybe you just like to randomly interject with statements on internet message boards without making any real points. It could happen, I guess.

As for me looking "foolish," you're the one throwing around the word "gun grabber." That alone makes me wonder if the Vice President's comments didn't hit you a little too close to home.

[Jenoch]

44. Wow...wordy little fellow, aden't you?

I simply wrote that I had not heard anyone mention special forces in the context of gun confiscation by the federal government. After that, what you came up with, is, as I said before, all on you. I'm getting tired of your pestering.

Be well.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

45. I like the color blue. It's sunny out today.

I'm having lunch soon.

Why am I saying these random things that no one cares about on an internet message board?

Beats me.

[CreekDog]

48. i've heard that and others say things like guns are going to save them from the gov't

meanwhile, the more conservative, mostly white gun owning populace of our country is somehow going to protect the civil rights of the non-white.

yeah, i'll take the bet against that.

[MindMover]

19. Its a bizarro world we live in ...

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Welcome to bizarro world ...

[Dash87]

21. I bet there are already people that took him seriously.

"Oh noes teh special forces comin'da get our guns"

[sylvi]

23. I'll bet in 1999

if someone had said the Supreme Court is going to step in and steal the presidential election for a barely literate cokehead from Texas, they'd have been called "paranoid nuts" too.

Or that three minivans full of Saudi Arabians would set in motion events leading to two wars costing 330,000 lives and nearly 4 trilllion dollars. They'd have been "paranoid nuts".

And the "can't happen here" beat goes on.

[rdharma]

26. Sylvi, you're going to have to come up with better non-existant strawmen! nt

[sylvi]

28. First look up the definition of "strawmen".

Then, look up the correct spelling of "non-existant".

[rdharma]

30. Buwahahahhaa!

[Tommy_Carcetti]

36. You're right! Shame on rdharma for falsely accusing you of using the Straw Man fallacy.

Clearly he should have said False Analogy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_analogy

[sylvi]

46. Neither apply

when it comes to a childlike trust in the government to be a benevolent actor towards its citizens, now and forever, amen. Or towards anyone else for that matter.

[bowens43]

27. Well they're easy to mock, they're pretty f*cking stupid......

[oneshooter]

29. Are you refering to DU members?

[jmg257]

47. Who is this "they" and "we" you speak of??

You are calling "the vice-president and his ilk" liars, which obviously means you are also referring to our President, and the Democrats in congress etc. that are all for gun control liars and loonies, right?

Who exactly is this "we" that will not let these "liar Democrat loonies" get away with anything?

Hmmm...
You do realize you are on DU, right, not FR or CC?

[spin]

38. I have no fear that Obama and Biden have any intention to confiscate all firearms. ...

However they will only be in office for another four years.

It's hard to predict who will be in office in ten or twenty years and how they might misuse a national registration system for firearms.

Of course by that time the government will have a good list of everyone who owns firearms without requiring registration. Because of our War on Terror our rights to privacy have been eroded considerably.