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Wed May 22, 2013, 02:16 PM

"Some people dislike gays. Others dislike guns. We should not base our laws on personal dislikes."





(The other poster reads, in case your browser can't display image or the link dies, "We won our right to marry...now it's time to defend our right!"

As Seattle alt weekly The Stranger (which also is the home of Dan Savage's advice column) reports:

The QR code on all of the posters lead to the same pro-gun website that prompts readers to decide whether guns are a liability or a useful tool. If you click on the "right" answer—useful tool—you're directed to a series of pro-gun links that affirm your choice. If you click on the "wrong" answer—liability—you're ushered through a series of increasingly paranoid and/or off topic questions that equate cyber crime and prohibition with gun crime, or hypothesize how many criminals you'll have to fight off in your life time. Each question is multiple choice, like this:

The proper response to an arson is...

1) prohibit you and other law-abiding citizens from buying gasoline.
2) prohibit you and other law-abiding citizens from buying any flammable fluids, matches and lighters.
3) prosecute the perpetrator of the crime

The questionnaire is supposed to underscore how important it is for you to be armed to the teeth all times. The arguments aren't new or particularly convincing, I just find it striking that a traditionally conservative movement is branching out to recruit gays and lesbians.

It's hard to know who's responsible for putting the posters up all over Capitol Hill. "Nale Dixon," who's credited for drawing the cartoon of the gay couple, returns no search results online. The pro-gun website is run by a dude named Oleg Volk, "An American," but that doesn't necessarily mean he's responsible for papering the hill with them. Without someone to credit, it's impossible to glean the posterer's intentions.


Capitol Hill in Seattle is Seattle's equivalent of San Francisco's Castro district essentially as Capitol Hill has a large LGBT community.

Really? Using guns to defend a gay marriage? Does the poster really think the people in CH will really buy into that "guns defend liberty" BS that the right has been peddling for years? And then that other poster equating guns and gay people as "personal dislikes" due to both being targeted by laws...another big WTF.

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Reply "Some people dislike gays. Others dislike guns. We should not base our laws on personal dislikes." (Original post)
alp227 May 2013 OP
upaloopa May 2013 #1
Eleanors38 May 2013 #9
upaloopa May 2013 #16
Eleanors38 May 2013 #17
beergood Sep 2015 #23
TeddyR Sep 2015 #38
rdharma May 2013 #2
Squinch May 2013 #3
pablo_marmol Sep 2015 #25
Squinch Sep 2015 #37
pablo_marmol Sep 2015 #39
TubbersUK Sep 2015 #31
msongs May 2013 #4
ileus May 2013 #5
nomorenomore08 May 2013 #6
gejohnston May 2013 #7
DonP May 2013 #12
pablo_marmol Sep 2015 #26
Jim Levy May 2013 #8
Eleanors38 May 2013 #10
Lizzie Poppet May 2013 #11
jmg257 May 2013 #13
Eleanors38 May 2013 #15
NYC_SKP May 2013 #14
ileus Sep 2015 #18
SecularMotion Sep 2015 #19
branford Sep 2015 #20
friendly_iconoclast Sep 2015 #21
ileus Sep 2015 #22
pablo_marmol Sep 2015 #28
Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #36
pablo_marmol Sep 2015 #24
DJ13 Sep 2015 #27
beergood Sep 2015 #32
CBGLuthier Sep 2015 #29
beergood Sep 2015 #35
bluestateguy Sep 2015 #30
beergood Sep 2015 #33
get the red out Sep 2015 #34

Response to alp227 (Original post)

Wed May 22, 2013, 02:25 PM

1. I see no reason why gun manufactures would

not want gays as dupes also. A buck is a buck no matter what who spends it.

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #1)

Thu May 23, 2013, 04:22 AM

9. Hmm. Adult LGBTs and adult women in general are "dupes"

 

when they make a choice to defend themselves against some very real threats. Sorry, but pro-gun groups are playing catch-up to an expanding and diversifying population of gun-owners.

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #9)

Fri May 24, 2013, 10:42 AM

16. You never get it do you?

The manufacturers have gunners rapped around their fingers by keeping them so afraid of life they keep buying more guns.
Now they drop the homophobia because it is passé and try to spread the fear.

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #16)

Fri May 24, 2013, 11:15 AM

17. I don't get your paternalistic & paranoid outlook, no.

 

visit a range. Where I am, there is a diverse crowd whose members are proud of who they are and seem to be unafraid of life.

The fear you imply may be closer to home.

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #16)

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 11:26 PM

23. are you saying

these guys don't exist?

and therefore any gay person who owns a firearm is just buying into the fear created by the nra?

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #16)

Sat Sep 19, 2015, 04:29 PM

38. If i was afraid

 

And "rapped" [wrapped] around the finger of the manufacturer I still wouldn't buy "more guns." Can only use one gun at a time, maybe two if you are Doc Holliday. Your premise lacks any basis in reality or any supporting facts. But maybe we should just trust you on this point?

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Wed May 22, 2013, 02:33 PM

2. This seems to be the latest gun nutter tactic.

 

They're trying to conflate the push for gun safety laws with homophobia!

It's absurd! You'll never find a more bigoted homophobic bunch than the NRA gun-huggers.

I think "WTF?!!!" sums it up best!

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Wed May 22, 2013, 02:57 PM

3. Right. Because guns and gay people are the same. Just when you think the nuttery can't get nuttier.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #3)

Sat Sep 19, 2015, 01:11 AM

25. "Right. Because guns and gay people are the same."


The usual strawman.

The point being made is that gun owners and gays have something in common -- because both groups attract hateful culture warriors. And it's an honest point.

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Response to pablo_marmol (Reply #25)

Sat Sep 19, 2015, 02:01 PM

37. The post is equating dislike of guns with dislike of gay people. It's a moronic point.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #37)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 12:44 AM

39. Sure - the first sentence of the first graphic indicates that -- I'll give you that.


Could have been more carefully worded. But to deny that contempt for guns doesn't transfer to their owners is just the silliest and most obvious mendacity. Your'e simply seizing on a less-than-ideal presentation to dismiss a valid point --- which is what the second sentence addresses -- the culture war that the vast majority of "gun control" represents.

So by all means.......keep up with the lightweight distractions. They've been serving you so well thus far!

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Response to Squinch (Reply #3)

Sat Sep 19, 2015, 04:07 AM

31. +1000

It's an absurd analogy.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Wed May 22, 2013, 04:02 PM

4. can't compare a moral imperative to a matter of convenience nt

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Wed May 22, 2013, 04:31 PM

5. Some people just like control over others.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Wed May 22, 2013, 06:14 PM

6. Torturing logic till it begs for mercy... Jeezus H. Christ...

The "MORE GUNZ EVERYWHERE" types just never quit, do they?

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Wed May 22, 2013, 06:57 PM

7. Oleg Volk

http://www.a-human-right.com/
did the photo in the first one.
But, everyone is missing the point. Their point was the cafeteria approach the left and right take with individual and civil rights/liberties. The right of be best means of self defense is opposed by those who support marriage equality and visa versa.

Pink Pistols say they had no part in it.
http://www.pinkpistols.org/?q=node/6

BTW, they didn't like the "fix gun checks" bill that much either. Although I agree with 100 background checks, I also agree with their objection to that specific bill.
http://www.pinkpistols.org/?q=node/5

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #7)

Thu May 23, 2013, 11:33 AM

12. I'm confused

 

Everybody in the echo chamber "knows" there are no gay or lesbian gun owners.

We've been told repeatedly that the Pink Pistols either: A) do not really exist and are just a creation of the NRA PR machine, or B) they are a bunch of right wing phonies pretending to be gay just to give gun nuts cover. .

(All of which will come a surprise to the 4 classes of them I've taught Basic Pistol to so far.)

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #7)

Sat Sep 19, 2015, 01:14 AM

26. "But everyone is missing the point."

Their point was the cafeteria approach the left and right take with individual and civil rights/liberties. The right of be best means of self defense is opposed by those who support marriage equality and visa versa.

Precisely correct. I think that The Controllers intentionally miss the point in many cases.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Wed May 22, 2013, 10:04 PM

8. Rights is Rights

 

When you consider that much of the gun control mania from the late sixties was a direct Republican response to minority unrest of the time, I consider the issues of discrimination and civil rights (in this case the RKBA) are inextricably linked.

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Response to Jim Levy (Reply #8)

Thu May 23, 2013, 04:24 AM

10. ^^^ This.

 

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Response to Jim Levy (Reply #8)

Thu May 23, 2013, 09:11 AM

11. Very well said.

 

Gun control has (some) racist roots...

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Response to Jim Levy (Reply #8)

Thu May 23, 2013, 01:31 PM

13. The 60s? Compared to now when most of the gun control mania is due to...

...IDK, maybe all the people who are killed and injured by people with guns? Especially when its in whole bunches at a time?

Which is, of course why 'disliking guns' is a bit more justifiable then 'disliking gays'. Really don't think all that many people would 'dislike guns', or try to pass laws controlling them better, if it wasn't for all the damage they can & do contribute to.

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Response to jmg257 (Reply #13)

Fri May 24, 2013, 09:06 AM

15. We have a much lower crime rate than the 60s...

 

Theory:

The reason there is so much animosity/fear over guns is because many progressives have been in such retreat from and under such constant attack by the RW, they have chosen to crystalize their opposition to extremists in a gun culture. It's easy, it's handy, and there are elites which can still prop up some kind of "movement" (really an outlook) and for a time raise a stir. Unfortunately, this limited "thing" approach to massive social problems fails to promote the common good, and worse keeps the RW a well-oiled machine.

Gun-control is an insight into the larger failings of modern progressive politics, in terms of cohesive policy, self-identity, outreach to the citizenry, grassroots organization and lack of party presence.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Thu May 23, 2013, 07:00 PM

14. I like it.

 

Actually, given how far the other side has gone to try to tie together RKBA support and bigotry, I LOVE it.

K/R

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #14)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 02:38 PM

18. You make an excellent point.

Well not anymore, but back in the old days...


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Response to ileus (Reply #18)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 05:27 PM

19. Kick from 2013 replying to a troll. It's how we know you're not serious and just trolling the group.

 

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Response to SecularMotion (Reply #19)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 05:49 PM

20. If kicking old threads makes someone a troll, what's your defense when you do it in this forum,

 

particularly when you're often the OP and never bothered to actually comment in the relevant thread?

However, while you're here, I would welcome your own thoughts about this particular OP...


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Response to branford (Reply #20)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 06:43 PM

21. Gun control advocacy in its present form is all about special pleading

That is why an act that is denounced in one thread is openly practiced in another:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172146082#post8

More to the point, 'cafeteria Constitutionalists' of all flavors have no problem whatsoever
infringing or simply denying the rights of those they dislike, as see the recent actions
of the halfwits in charge of Irving, Texas...

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Response to SecularMotion (Reply #19)

Thu Sep 17, 2015, 07:28 PM

22. I notice no one cried about your abusive post like they did with NUs.



Wonder if they'll whine about my post about them not whining about your post, where someone whined about Nukems' post that someone whined about.

Keeping all these emotions straight is hard. How can people be so touchy and still function in society???

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Response to ileus (Reply #22)

Sat Sep 19, 2015, 01:21 AM

28. Gotta love those double-standards, don't you?


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Response to ileus (Reply #22)

Sat Sep 19, 2015, 08:44 AM

36. The fact Controllers like Bloomberg and Brock do not abide by the standards they demand be

used to bring the force of law against innocent people is why the Controllers are to be opposed, ignored and defied.

The Controllers here operate in a microcosm of that same hypocrisy.

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Response to SecularMotion (Reply #19)

Sat Sep 19, 2015, 01:04 AM

24. LOL --- not serious and just trolling the group.


Says the person who dumps "stories" in this forum constantly without any commentary whatsoever.

Sure.......you've got credibility!

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sat Sep 19, 2015, 01:17 AM

27. Ever cleaned off your gay and had an accidental discharge?

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Response to DJ13 (Reply #27)

Sat Sep 19, 2015, 04:19 AM

32. "Ever cleaned your gay and had an accidental discharge?"

Last edited Sat Sep 19, 2015, 08:30 AM - Edit history (2)

yes i have and it was awesome.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sat Sep 19, 2015, 01:24 AM

29. Too Stupid to even discuss

Yeah how many people were killed in gay massacres in the US last year? How many times dow a family man turn his gay on his family and himself leading tho death?

Even you gun humpers would have to admit this is a fucking stupid analogy.

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Response to CBGLuthier (Reply #29)

Sat Sep 19, 2015, 08:21 AM

35. "Yeah how many people were killed in gay massacres in the US last year? "

ever been to a pride parade? those things are bloodbaths.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sat Sep 19, 2015, 02:45 AM

30. Pink Pistols is a fine organization

Armed gays don't bashed.

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Response to bluestateguy (Reply #30)

Sat Sep 19, 2015, 04:21 AM

33. +10000

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sat Sep 19, 2015, 05:56 AM

34. Horrible

That is equating human beings with objects.

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