A loosening of NY SAFE Act I Oppose.

ALBANY — State lawmakers are trying to carve out a loophole for retired cops in the sweeping state gun control law that Gov. Cuomo has touted as the toughest in the nation.

A bill approved by the state Assembly Thursday would allow retired police officers to keep assault weapons and high-capacity magazines they purchased during their time on the force.

“They are going to have what they retired with, what they trained on,” said Assemblyman Joe Lentol (D-Brooklyn), who sponsored the bill.

Lentol said the bill — which was approved by a 96-15 vote — simply corrects an “oversight” in Cuomo’s original gun law that failed to account for retired cops and federal law enforcement officers, who, despite no longer serving, often take action during a crisis.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/lawmakers-push-exempt-retired-cops-new-gun-restrictions-article-1.1353200#ixzz2UQQpzjpC
In short, it allows some private citizens, retired cops, to buy guns and magizines other New Yorkers can not. If you agree with this, then should I, as retired military, be exempt from the National Firearms Act of 1934 and have a full auto?

This kind of reminds me of Animal Farm and has no place in a liberal democracy. Carrying them on duty is one thing, off duty and after they leave the force, is quite another. Are cops and former cops more law abiding than the rest of us? Unless I see studies saying otherwise, I think not.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/19/us/philadelphia-police-rape-charge/index.html
http://metronews.ca/news/toronto/663486/video-toronto-cop-allegedly-threatens-to-beat-man-plant-cocaine-on-him/
http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/Hialeah-Police-Officer-Arrested-Under-Cocaine-Charges-Cops-205130101.html
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-lapd-fbi-20130525,0,3509991.story
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/da-victims-shot-drugs-handed-19252073#.UaJTaVGNPuO

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A loosening of NY SAFE Act I Oppose. (Original post)	gejohnston	May 2013	OP
I agree	Duckhunter935	May 2013	#1
I have the feeling I will be next	gejohnston	May 2013	#4
This is an interesting conundrum	sarisataka	May 2013	#2
Anyone with a family or life worth living should be exempt.	ileus	May 2013	#3
I would oppose that as well. An exemption for active/on-duty weapons is	petronius	May 2013	#5

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Sun May 26, 2013, 02:03 PM

Duckhunter935 (16,974 posts)

1. I agree

Retired officers are just citizens like all of us and should not get special privileges. Was not an oversight. I think some groups are complaining that they should be above the law that everyone else must obey. I am retired military, would that exemption apply to me,I doubt it.

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Sun May 26, 2013, 05:31 PM

gejohnston (17,502 posts)

4. I have the feeling I will be next

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1262&pid=3176

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Sun May 26, 2013, 02:09 PM

sarisataka (11,743 posts)

2. This is an interesting conundrum

AFAIK retire police officers are private citizens, unless they are on reserve status and keep certifications up to date, they have no authority beyond that of any citizen.
These statements do not fit with that status;

despite no longer serving, often take action during a crisis.

What actions in what crises?

“We put this bill forward in order to make sure retired police officers have the firepower they need in the situations where it is necessary,” Lentol said.

What situations that require extra firepower?

Under LEOSA retired officers can already carry concealed weapons. I can agree with this as there could be a person with a vendetta who may seek out an officer whether retired or not. That said, other private citizens could be in the same situation so local law should be an equal limit to what firearms may be possessed, retired LEO or not.

A retired LEO should not be taking any actions in a crisis that Jane Schumkatelli is not also allowed to take.

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Sun May 26, 2013, 05:02 PM

ileus (15,393 posts)

3. Anyone with a family or life worth living should be exempt.

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Sun May 26, 2013, 07:46 PM

petronius (26,214 posts)

5. I would oppose that as well. An exemption for active/on-duty weapons is

fine, and maybe that should apply to licensed and regulated private security firms in some circumstances, but other than that the law should be everyone or no one. And I really think it should be "no one" - magazine limits should be 'standard capacity' IMO...

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