Gun Control & RKBA
Related: About this forumInteresting ATF Firearms Trace data for 2012
Firearms Trace Data 2012All reports are in pdf format. I took a couple screenshots from the MA report.
Interesting that more traces were done because of possession charges than all other causes combined.
Most weapons that were traced were originally sold over three years before being used in a crime.
As I would expect, a lot firearms that were initially sold in NH and Maine. People move here or sell firearms to people who live here (in MA). What I wouldn't expect is the high rate of recovery of firearms initially sold in Florida and ermmm Georgia. And Vermont, with arguably the laxest firearms laws in the nation has a relatively low recovery rate - but they do make the top 15.
rdharma
(6,057 posts)Who woulda' thunk it?...... Errrrp derrrrrp!
geckosfeet
(9,644 posts)VT - again, arguably laxest in country. Arguments could be made for AZ and TX.
NH fairly lax. Maine, not so lax.
I would call it a combination of proximity and population density more than anything.
I do wonder about Florida and Georgia.
on edit: Oh - and MA - some of the toughest gun laws in the country.
S_B_Jackson
(906 posts)453 to be exact,
then 129 that were originally purchased in New Hampshire,
followed by 72 that were first purchased in Maine....
MA does NOT have what any reasonable person would call, "lax gun laws".
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Demonstrably as true today as it was when I first said it.
CokeMachine
(1,018 posts)Nothing new from from you -- you are a god!!!!!
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)I'll just assume that you made a mistake there, and aren't being intentionally deceptive.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)that indicates many are probably stolen from MA gun owners. Not that surprising at all. I saw a video of guns recently taken off of criminals in Chicago. A lot of Ravens and RGs still. The huge plurality still goes to MA.
rdharma
(6,057 posts)And that means what? Criminals aren't buying them direct from the factory and using them the next week for a crime?
Keep diggin' boys!
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)the so called "iron river."
rdharma
(6,057 posts)..... this "time to crime" figure is pure meaningless BS!
But I know........ in Japan murder with a bladed weapon is often counted as "suicide"!
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Yet, we still provide most of the crime guns seized here, in spite of all the blather
about iron pipelines.
You and the self-appointed spokesperson for Chicagoans really aren't clear on
the concept of 'verifiable facts', are you?
beevul
(12,194 posts)CokeMachine
(1,018 posts)when the bait has gone bad!! It'll be back with a new hook and fressher bait. Maybe the bansalot group can help find new worms!!
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)geckosfeet
(9,644 posts)I checked a couple other states - the data do vary widely among the few I looked at.
on edit: Check out AZ for example. Very different patterns than MA and NH.
edit again - Florida had 17,000 traces - as in many of the states the majority of the traces were done for possession.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)but yes the national average is 11.12
rdharma
(6,057 posts)gejohnston
(17,502 posts)other than identify who it was ripped off from. Most of the time they can do it now by running it through NCIC.
rdharma
(6,057 posts)But if we registered our guns, the Cubans might grab them when they invade in the "Red Dawn" scenario.
Or ............ is it the North Koreans now?
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)but realistically, what exactly has it done anywhere? Other than providing a few jobs to run it, it actually doesn't do anything. There is no evidence it has done anything other than make politicians feel good.
rdharma
(6,057 posts)"Wolverines"!
Airborne invasion to capture the small town square state town folk and intern them in the football stadium! That's the ticket!
Gun nuts are paranoid and NUTZ!
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)like a place to land large cargo planes like the Andropov. IIRC, there was a rail yard. But they would have to control everything going to the coast to move stuff. Of course establishing an airhead in Colorado would get the planners fired, given the knowledge that farmers would, and could under the Geneva Convention, use them for target practice.
The characterization was pretty cliched.
It's depiction of the regional culture was bullshit
The re education camp was actually the best part. Not that is saying much.
rdharma
(6,057 posts)gejohnston
(17,502 posts)I bet you have every line memorized and cried when the fighter pilot got killed.
Oh yeah, AF fighter pilots remove their patches and name tags when flying in battle. The Col wouldn't be wearing the "Eagle Driver" patch either.
http://www.cracked.com/article_18812_5-reasons-red-dawn-secretly-subversive-anti-war-film.html
But then, art very rarely imitates life.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)GreenStormCloud
(12,072 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)horrified that it was glorified in the manner it was by pop culture, right?
Remember how most of the good guys die badly? Those left are dripping blood? They encounter one of the top bad guys, and neither side kills the other out of respect/horror for the things that have been done up to that point?
It's a pretty good movie if you pay attention.
geckosfeet
(9,644 posts)The variation from state to state is interesting though...
NY kind of shows that iron pipe line a little. Lots of first sales all the way down the east coast.
ileus
(15,396 posts)geckosfeet
(9,644 posts)The 'home' state has the highest number of original retail sales for guns being traced. In other words the lions share of the source of original retail sale are from inside the state. Makes sense.
It is also interesting to look at the variation in the number and source of guns coming from outside for the different states. It varies quite a bit across the country.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Washington State didn't even rate a mention.
geckosfeet
(9,644 posts)They have an unusual amount of first sales coming from east coast states.