Recall Petitions for Colorado Senate President John Morse and Angela Giron Deemed Sufficient

[ExCop-LawStudent]

The Colorado Secretary of State rejected the challenges of both Morse and Giron. The certification will be forwarded to the Governor to set the date for the recall election.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/politics/recall-petition-against-state-senator-angela-giron-deemed-sufficient

Morse has gone to court to seek an injunction to prevent the people from expressing their will by holding the election.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/10/recall-efforts-against-colorado-gun-controllers-move-forward/

Deputy Secretary of State Suzanne Staiert said in both decisions that recall elections are "a fundamental right."

The recall efforts are due to the senators support of gun control legislation.

[rdharma]

1. Lots of luck with those "recalls"!

Not gonna' happen!

[ExCop-LawStudent]

2. I don't know about that

Morse was only elected by 350 votes total. With good Democrats upset about his gun control support, and the Republicans focusing their efforts almost entirely on that one issue, I can see Democrats who support the Second Amendment crossing over to vote against him.

Giron won comfortably in 2010 (by about 4K votes, 9%), but there were a lot more signatures on her recall petition than on Morse's. Her district is more strongly Democratic than Morse's, so she might hold on.

It's a toss-up in Giron's case, but it looks fairly certain that Morse will be recalled.

We'll know in two months.

[premium]

5. Awwwwwwwwwwwwwww,

someone haz a sad.

[ExCop-LawStudent]

7. Have you noticed that

the BansALot group isn't real keen on hearing what the people actually think?

I would think that as Democrats, all of us would want to hear the voice of the people.

[premium]

8. I've also notices that Castle Bansalot is also not getting

a lot of traffic these days. Must be causing a lot of b**thurt.

[NaturalHigh]

21. I don't even go to that sewer any more.

It's just a sounding board for the anti-gunners. They don't want actual discussion.

[NaturalHigh]

20. If this goes to a vote, yes this will happen.

If these two manage to get the courts to block the recalls, they'll get the boot in the next election. Good riddance.

[gejohnston]

22. They aren,t?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172131163

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/321677-ppp-suppressed-colorado-recall-poll
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2013/09/reflecting-on-the-colorado-recalls.html

[ThoughtCriminal]

3. Dailycaller?

Makes it even funnier. Spend much time there?

[rdharma]

4. I bet he does!

[ExCop-LawStudent]

6. Nope

Never been there before. I took the first two links from Google. It not much of an issue though, here are other links that say the same thing.

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jul/08/nation/la-na-colorado-guns-recall-20130708

Morse is quoted as saying if the Second Amendment supporters can take out the Colorado Senate President on a recall, they can do it anywhere in the country.

http://gazette.com/secretary-of-state-approves-sen.-john-morse-recall-petitions/article/1503080

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_23486124/organizers-submit-sufficient-signatures-recall-sen-john-morse

http://www.9news.com/news/politics/344303/166/Colo-lawmaker-awaits-recall-challenge

http://www.krdo.com/news/sen-giron-loses-recall-petition-challenge/-/417220/20910152/-/1xxi0nz/-/index.html

http://www.kktv.com/home/headlines/Colorado-Lawmaker-Await-Ru-214840511.html

All of them say the same thing.

[premium]

9. Sounds like Morse might be a tad bit worried about losing his seat.

And here we've been told by several people that there's no consequences for voting for more gun control.
Guess we'll find out.

[jimmy the one]

10. this is an anti-democrat thread

excopLS: With good Democrats upset about his gun control support, and the Republicans focusing their efforts almost entirely on that one issue, I can see Democrats who support the Second Amendment crossing over to vote against him.

ExcopLS goes 'With good democrats upset about his gun control support..'; WTF is that supposed to mean? Trying to lead your audience that bad democrats or indifferent democrats support guncontrol? pffft, and here you are advocating for a republican win - you're no true democrat, you're in sheep's clothing - you later applaud the recall as 'the will of the people' to replace these 2 dems with republicans. Go a way. A lot of fake dems sneak in here to DU, we might've found one.

excop: ..it looks fairly certain that Morse will be recalled. We'll know in two months
ExCop-L I would think that as Democrats, all of us would want to hear the voice of the people.

You're hilarious, almost all of us here on DU would rather see the 2 dems retain their seats, & since when is 0.02% of the people, the people?: Colorado 5,044,930 population; .. 13,466 signatures to recall Giron were submitted and 818 of those signatures were rejected as invalid.. total to 12,648, over one thousand more than the 11,285 needed for the recall to move forward.

Republicans in Morse’s district cast their votes for a candidate to face Morse if the election goes forward. Vying for the nomination were Jaxine Bubis, who was recently discovered to have authored several books of erotic fiction under a pen name, and Bernie Herpin.. Despite being known as the “erotic grammy” in certain circles, Bubis had gotten early support from several conservative leaders and Rocky Mountain Gun Owners. Nevertheless, Herpin got the GOP nod..,

[rdharma]

11. I think you hit the nail on the head concerning the OP nt

[premium]

12. What's anti democratic about the people recalling

politicians they don't agree with?
Would you be saying the same thing if this were repukes being recalled in a blue district for the pro gun votes?
I suspect not.

[ExCop-LawStudent]

13. Nah, they're just upset because the move in the nation

is towards more gun rights, not less, and they can't stand it.

They don't understand that the Democratic Party is a party of inclusion, not exclusion. Unless you believe as they do, in their minds you're not a "good" Democrat.

Things evolve over time. Almost no Democrats supported the Thirteenth Amendment, and none supported the Fourteenth and Fifteenth Amendments. Now we are the party that stands up for civil rights. The party moved over time because it was the right thing to do.

Now, with concealed carry available in all of the states, and "shall issue" laws dominating, those who wish to take away our choice to defend ourselves, our families, and our homes are growing more and more insignificant. They don't like that, so instead of debating on the issues, resort to inaccurate, skewed data and casting aspersions on those who disagree with them.

They want a litmus test to see if you are exactly like them, and if not, they have no place in the party for you.

I reject that reasoning and believe that there is a place for everyone in the party, that is what distinguishes us from the Republicans, and that is what makes our party stronger. We have to listen to the people, and standing up for a vote to determine what the people think is not something that Democrats should be afraid of.

[ExCop-LawStudent]

14. Don't put your slant on my words

"Good" Democrats can be either for or against gun rights. They can be for or against any number of issues.

No one said that all Democrats had to believe the same thing.

[Travis_0004]

15. I agree.

I guess we will find out in a few months if the voters agree with them or not.

[jimmy the one]

17. he approves of the recall election again

excopLawStudent: Don't put your slant on my words

First you're gonna have to stop putting your slant on mine & ours. Mr Student.

student: No one said that all Democrats had to believe the same thing.

Huh? genius for the obvious today? or just being specious?

Student's slant: They don't understand that the Democratic Party is a party of inclusion, not exclusion. Unless you believe as they do, in their minds you're not a "good" Democrat.
.. those who wish to take away our choice to defend ourselves, our families, and our homes are growing more and more insignificant. They don't like that, so instead of debating on the issues, resort to inaccurate, skewed data and casting aspersions on those who disagree with them.
.. I reject that reasoning and believe that there is a place for everyone in the party, that is what distinguishes us from the Republicans, and that is what makes our party stronger. We have to listen to the people, and standing up for a vote to determine what the people think is not something that Democrats should be afraid of.

Sanctimonious Sophomoric Smarm. Democrats support guncontrol by near 4 to 1 margins, the very same guncontrol those two colorado democrats supported, & you paint these predominant dems with the very broad brush you accuse others of, as if they 'wish to take away our choice to defend ourselves, our families'. You say we have to listen to the people, shouldn't you then be listening to the voice of 75% of democrats on guncontrol?
You once again approve of the recall election to replace two democrats with proer gun republicans. Go-A-Way.

[ExCop-LawStudent]

18. Yawn.

TLDR

Let me know if you have something useful to say.

[premium]

19. More nonsense from JtO?

What a surprise, NOT.
Who are you to be telling a member to go away? This isn't Castle Bansalot where dissent isn't tolerated.

[NYC_SKP]

23. Smart Democrats support gun rights. They tend to be more rational, global thinkers.

All Democrats are terrific, of course, but those who support gun rights are likely to understand these rights in the context of history, our own and that of other countries.

Disarming the population, a wet dream of no small number of Democrats, would be a monumental mistake.

Welcome to DU, ExCop-LawStudent, and keep up the good work.

[petronius]

16. While I probably generally disagree with Giron's and Morse's gun control positions, I'm

really not a fan of recalls (except in cases of actual malfeasance and/or criminality). I wish people would just wait for the elections and replace undesirable pols in a less disruptive fashion...

[oneshooter]

24. Why was this zombie thread resurrected?

[NYC_SKP]

25. My guess, see reply #1.

Like, "don't count your chickens...".

That's my guess, I didn't resurrect it.

[jimmy the one]

26. ex cop ex poster

nyc skip: Smart Democrats support gun rights. They tend to be more rational, global thinkers.

Dem gunners tend to be 'more rational global thinkers' he says - like with the UN arms trade treaty where on this very board about 66% of 'smart democrats' opposed the UN effort to try to curb illegal & illicit gun sales worldwide? afraid it would infringe on 'their' selfish concerns about their domestic & pretentious 2nd pretendment?

nyc skip: All Democrats are terrific, of course, but those who support gun rights are likely to understand these rights in the context of history, our own and that of other countries.
Disarming the population, a wet dream of no small number of Democrats, would be a monumental mistake.

Totally disarming of the population - what serious effort have democrats put forth to affect this? Isn't conflating 'disarming the population' with an assault rifle ban & other reasonable gun control efforts a bit disingenuous & a contradiction of your claim to be a 'smart democrat'?
(Oh, & I know a few democrats who aren't so terrific at all. You like blago? some of the mass shooters?)

nyc skip: Welcome to DU, ExCop-LawStudent, and keep up the good work.

Hahahaha! .. uh, excopLS was banned a few months back as a 'malicious rightwing troll'. Click on his screen name, & your advice to him gives you a footstick.

[NYC_SKP]

27. Welcome to DU, jimmy the one!

WTF is a footstick?

And if you take a poll here at DU of how many support a total ban on civilian ownership of firearms that you'll see some interesting results.

[jimmy the one]

28. forgetful

nyc skip: Welcome to DU, jimmy the one!

You need take a memory test or something. I thought *I* was bad at remembering names.

And if you take a poll here at DU of how many support a total ban on civilian ownership of firearms that you'll see some interesting results.

This is neither here nor there since only a few percent support that. Used to be about the only thing the nra could crow about was that a total gun ban had only small support.

[NYC_SKP]

29. Curious. Do you agree with President Obama?

[beevul]

30. There is nothing...

"an assault rifle ban & other reasonable gun control efforts"

There is nothing "reasonable" about an assault weapon ban.