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Trayvon's Amendment (Original Post) Ranchemp. Nov 2013 OP
LOL @ the site admin's email: "stabagunnut@gmail.com" NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #1
This petition makes about as much sense as the petitions going around a couple of weeks ago Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #2
I have four questions gejohnston Nov 2013 #8
I found the link krispos42 Nov 2013 #18
"Guns are killing our children" How'd I not see that earlier today. ileus Nov 2013 #23
Written to feed the fears of gun nutters. No serious persons are promoting such an amendment. Scuba Nov 2013 #3
I know that, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #4
Yep, and the NRA or whoever is behind it knows that too. Scuba Nov 2013 #5
Yep. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #9
Which "gun nutters"? The nuts who love guns or the nuts who can't stand the nuts that have guns. NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #6
This looks like the work of the NRA. Scuba Nov 2013 #7
Is there any proof, other than there is no proof, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #10
Typical of them... spread this around, incite folks to buy a few more guns. Scuba Nov 2013 #11
While I agree, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #12
can always phone and ask gejohnston Nov 2013 #13
I think I will, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #14
I tried twice and both times got a message Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #15
I'm guessing it is an elaberate parody gejohnston Nov 2013 #16
Just got off the phone with the NRA and they categorically deny Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #17
But at least 80% of it IS what those of us against gun violence would like to have. DanM Nov 2013 #26
There's 12 points there ... Scuba Nov 2013 #28
I particularly liked this provision. Bazinga Nov 2013 #19
I like your thinking! But if I own two guns, can I assess 8%? Do we all get to assess petronius Nov 2013 #22
I like picking your least favorite billionares gejohnston Nov 2013 #24
The 2A regressives get serious. ileus Nov 2013 #20
Hahah good luck living in an apartment building. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #21
Gun Owner Registry MicaelS Nov 2013 #25
Would love this to fly, but most of us against gun violence realize it would be a reach. DanM Nov 2013 #27
so you are okay with an arbitrary tax system bossy22 Nov 2013 #30
Goes without saying but they really didn't think it through kudzu22 Nov 2013 #29
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
1. LOL @ the site admin's email: "stabagunnut@gmail.com"
Tue Nov 19, 2013, 02:49 PM
Nov 2013

From their hate mail page: http://www.trayvonsamendment.com/hate-mail/

Got an error 505 at the main page but found this at trapshooters.com:

Website Address: http://www.trayvonsamendment.com/

Guns are KILLING our CHILDREN

We will fight to repeal and replace the Second Amendment

The Second Amendment to the United States Constitution has worn out it's welcome. It's time to pressure our leaders to implement our common sense gun control measures.

The 28th Amendment, as drafted, will implement a series of common sense gun laws and implement new revenue streams for Americans.

The 12 provisions below will work to make America a more safe place by eliminating the obviously failed experiment that is the second amendment.

The second amendment of the Constitution of the United States, being no longer necessary to a secure state is hereby nullified.

The production and sale of new firearms, being defined as a rifle, pistol, or other gun, will be disallowed until a time in which the number of firearms in circulation is equal to 50% of the population as determined by the Census.

No gun may reside in the same building as anyone who has failed a mental health evaluation, as performed by a medical professional, as approved by the Affordable Care Act (aka Obamacare).

A mental health examination, as performed by a medical professional approved by the Affordable Care Act (aka Obamacare) must be passed in order to receive a firearms license.

An income tax equal to 4% of an individual’s income will be assessed by all gun owners. In states which were at any point in time a part of the Confederate States of America, this tax shall be equal to 10% of an individual’s income. Taxes levied under this amendment shall be appropriated in equal portions to programs to expand Affirmative Action programs and begin to pay reparations to the descendants of African slaves.

Any person making the choice to own a firearm must carry $250,000 worth of liability insurance for each weapon owned. This insurance must be provided by a publicly owned insurance company to be established.

All firearms must be retrofitted with both a global positioning transmitter as well as a fingerprint activated locking mechanism. Failure to comply with this provision will result in a fine, prison time, and forfeiture of the privilege of firearm ownership.

The National Rifle Association, Michigan Militia, and other “gun rights” groups shall be considered terrorist operations.

United States Marshals will be randomly placed at various “sporting venues,” where a firearm could be otherwise legally discharged. This could include publicly or privately owned venues where the following (but not limited to) take place: hunting areas, shooting ranges.

In a calendar year, no person may buy more than 100 rounds of ammunition.

Assault rifles, semi-automatic, and automatic weapons, as well as those not fitted with GPS and trigger locking devices will be immediately seized by the government. The owner will be compensated fair market value of the weapon, minus the cost of the seizure operation.

President Obama will establish a Secretary of Firearm management. This office will have final say over future gun regulation to prevent against rampant innovation that was not forseen by the second amendment.

You’ve seen our very easy to implement common sense solutions! Now SIGN THE PETITION!
 

Ranchemp.

(1,991 posts)
2. This petition makes about as much sense as the petitions going around a couple of weeks ago
Tue Nov 19, 2013, 02:53 PM
Nov 2013

asking for the DoJ to charge the GOP leaders in Congress with sedition/treason. IOW, no sense at all.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
8. I have four questions
Tue Nov 19, 2013, 03:02 PM
Nov 2013
In states which were at any point in time a part of the Confederate States of America, this tax shall be equal to 10% of an individual’s income. Taxes levied under this amendment shall be appropriated in equal portions to programs to expand Affirmative Action programs and begin to pay reparations to the descendants of African slaves.
What about the four slave states that stayed in the union (Delaware, Maryland, Missouri, and Kentucky)?
Very few, if any, of the people living in those states had ancestors living in those states at that time. What about them?
So an African American gun owner would have to pay a higher tax than anyone or any color in Utah, WTF?
What about West Virginia, who as part of the CSA long enough to secede from Virginia to join the Union?

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
18. I found the link
Tue Nov 19, 2013, 03:59 PM
Nov 2013
http://www.trayvonsamendment.com/the-28th-amendment/

The version from trapshooters.com seems accurate.

Oy vey. This looks like something a high school freshman would write that knows absolutely nothing about guns except that he hates them.


Of course, once the Second Amendment is repealed, any sort of harassing law can be passed. This is what some what, even if the 12 points outlined above are not exactly how they see themselves getting it.

ileus

(15,396 posts)
23. "Guns are killing our children" How'd I not see that earlier today.
Tue Nov 19, 2013, 10:45 PM
Nov 2013

If it wasn't for knowing there's millions of folks that buy into that statement it'd be funny.

 

Ranchemp.

(1,991 posts)
4. I know that,
Tue Nov 19, 2013, 02:59 PM
Nov 2013

but this is the kind of shit that prevents any kind of honest conversation between the 2 factions.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
6. Which "gun nutters"? The nuts who love guns or the nuts who can't stand the nuts that have guns.
Tue Nov 19, 2013, 03:02 PM
Nov 2013

I get them confused because members of both groups are so nutty, and both groups have ridiculous fears to be fed.

 

Ranchemp.

(1,991 posts)
15. I tried twice and both times got a message
Tue Nov 19, 2013, 03:24 PM
Nov 2013

that the google subscriber I'm trying to reach is unavailable, please leave a message, so, that leads me to believe that this is not the NRA's doing.
I'm going to call the NRA directly and ask them.

 

Ranchemp.

(1,991 posts)
17. Just got off the phone with the NRA and they categorically deny
Tue Nov 19, 2013, 03:34 PM
Nov 2013

that they're in any way connected with this, matter of fact, the woman laughed at the suggestion that they were involved with this.
I think we can put this to bed.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
28. There's 12 points there ...
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 02:32 PM
Nov 2013

Which 9-10 are you including in the 80%?

Or are you weighting them differently? Perhaps you're giving all the weight to mental health checks and none to retrofitting GPS and fingerprint unlocking?

C'mon, man.

Bazinga

(331 posts)
19. I particularly liked this provision.
Tue Nov 19, 2013, 04:53 PM
Nov 2013
An income tax equal to 4% of an individual’s income will be assessed by all gun owners


As a gun owner, I would be more than happy to assess a 4% income tax. I will accept cash, money order, or personal check payable to Bazinga!

...

Grammar is important.

petronius

(26,602 posts)
22. I like your thinking! But if I own two guns, can I assess 8%? Do we all get to assess
Tue Nov 19, 2013, 06:58 PM
Nov 2013

the tax on everybody, or should we each just pick a couple of people to tax? Don't want to be greedy, after all...

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
24. I like picking your least favorite billionares
Tue Nov 19, 2013, 10:45 PM
Nov 2013

two guns for each Koch brother (buy HKs just for that, to be ironic) and a couple for Bloomberg to pay for.

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
25. Gun Owner Registry
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 01:38 PM
Nov 2013
http://www.trayvonsamendment.com/uncategorized/coming-soon-trayvons-list-gun-owner-registry/

Coming soon: Trayvon’s List – Gun Owner Registry
Posted on November 17, 2013 by admin

In the coming days, we’ll be launching a user-submitted searchable database of gun owners in America.

This database will serve to a similar purpose as the Megan’s Law sex offender databased. While not all gun owners in America are criminals, a portion of them are. This list will offer families the knowledge that a potential murderer, such as George Zimmerman (who was a “law abiding gun owner”) is living near where their children play, so that they may make the most informed decisions as to where their owners live.

Upon launch, we urge all viewers to immediately begin submitting names and photos of your neighbors who may own firearms, legally or otherwise. It could save your family’s lives.


Talk about lawsuit city. Unbelievable anyone would even suggest something like this.

Here's his reddit page.

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1qufji/iama_a_private_citizen_launching_a_campaign_to/

bossy22

(3,547 posts)
30. so you are okay with an arbitrary tax system
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 04:35 PM
Nov 2013

That punishes people just because they live some where in the south?

kudzu22

(1,273 posts)
29. Goes without saying but they really didn't think it through
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 01:59 PM
Nov 2013

since the text of the amendment mentions President Obama specifically.

President Obama will establish a Secretary of Firearm management. This office will have final say over future gun regulation to prevent against rampant innovation that was not forseen by the second amendment.


I guess after Obama leaves office there will no longer be a Secretary of Firearm Management. That is, until there is another President named Obama.
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