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Wed Nov 20, 2013, 10:28 AM

Eleanors38 (18,318 posts)

 

Looks like "guns" is no longer a GD discussion "exception,"

as per Skinner's ATA response on Monday. During the exception period, for the most part the stuff in GD amounted to local stories of shootings & misadventures posted as an excuse to condemn, smear and encourage male anatomy criticisms of gun-owners in general and DU members in particular. Though late in coming, this decision may improve the overall atmosphere of DU, and might lead to a more respectable dialog regarding the Second Amendment.

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Reply Looks like "guns" is no longer a GD discussion "exception," (Original post)
 Eleanors38 Nov 2013 OP
LineReply Can you please provide an example of something ...
 Scuba Nov 2013 #1
LineLineReply If you haven't asked you haven't paid attention
 Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2013 #3
LineLineLineReply you just want to be a man.
 ileus Nov 2013 #5
LineLineLineReply So when asked to substantiate your claims, your reply is "search for it yourself"?
 Scuba Nov 2013 #6
LineLineLineLineReply What you're asking is tantamount...
 beevul Nov 2013 #7
LineLineLineLineReply Disingenuous questions don't deserve ANY response, much less a search link.
 Lizzie Poppet Nov 2013 #10
LineLineLineLineReply The search provided 100's
 ileus Nov 2013 #13
LineLineLineLineReply What, you're too lazy to make two mouseclicks?
 derby378 Nov 2013 #20
LineLineLineLineReply How about a search for "gun humpers"?
 Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2013 #21
LineLineReply Scuba. January 13, 2013: "Derision works. Proven in countless studies."
 NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #12
LineLineLineReply Skip, I guess my point has been lost ....
 Scuba Nov 2013 #16
LineLineLineLineReply Oh I don't think you condone smears, but you have to admit that it exists, that it's done by others.
 NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #17
LineLineLineLineReply Huh?
 DonP Nov 2013 #18
LineLineLineLineLineReply No, it's not OK to deride other member, nor did I say it was.
 Scuba Nov 2013 #19
LineLineLineLineLineLineReply Gee I guess all your gun control friends didn't get that memo
 DonP Nov 2013 #26
LineLineLineLineReply Logic can be tendentious, like a sword fight with flu shot syringes...
 Eleanors38 Nov 2013 #23
LineLineLineLineReply If you don't condone such posts, why did you write one?
 Jenoch Nov 2013 #25
LineLineLineLineReply Thats great.
 beevul Nov 2013 #29
LineLineLineLineLineNew Reply I reread every post in my thread but didn't find one example of smearing other members.
 Scuba Nov 2013 #31
LineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply As they say, it ain't just a river in egypt. N/T
 beevul Nov 2013 #36
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply I'll take that as a "no".
 Scuba Nov 2013 #37
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply Next time, spit in the mask before you put it on.
 beevul Nov 2013 #38
LineReply appears you are correct ...
 Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #2
LineReply Toter baser gunners....
 ileus Nov 2013 #4
LineReply In case anyone is feeling withdrawal from the GD gun-thread ban, I'll offer
 petronius Nov 2013 #8
LineLineReply I kind of miss
 gejohnston Nov 2013 #28
LineReply I suspect we will see a renewed influx of gun control "fans" ...
 DonP Nov 2013 #9
LineLineReply Nope, no NRA talking points.
 Bazinga Nov 2013 #22
LineLineLineReply Always strikes me as odd that none of us get the "NRA talking points" but the gun control "fans" do?
 DonP Nov 2013 #24
LineReply Like a breath of fresh air. I won't miss the childish auto-replies that had become so common.
 NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #11
LineReply Well, like the man said...
 rrneck Nov 2013 #14
LineReply Xmas in November
 Kurska Nov 2013 #15
LineReply Maybe it was because so many were pawned by that fake Texas pic last week.
 ileus Nov 2013 #27
LineLineReply What did I miss? The kid who was shot with a plastic gun?
 NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #30
LineLineLineNew Reply I *think* he's referring to the picture of the pro-2A supporters that
 Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2013 #32
LineLineLineLineNew Reply Ah. The group on the way to Hooters...
 NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #33
LineLineLineLineLineNew Reply Supposedly that was a posed photograph..
 MicaelS Nov 2013 #34
LineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply Blue Mesa Grill. Now one of the publishers has pulled the posed picture.
 NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #35
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply Yeah the top photo that people were all up in arms about
 ileus Nov 2013 #39
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply I see now. The top two could have been taken seconds apart.
 NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #40

Response to Eleanors38 (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2013, 10:41 AM

Scuba (53,475 posts)

1. Can you please provide an example of something ...

 

.... "posted as an excuse to condemn, smear and encourage male anatomy criticisms of gun-owners in general and DU members in particular."

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Response to Scuba (Reply #1)

Wed Nov 20, 2013, 11:55 AM

Nuclear Unicorn (19,497 posts)

3. If you haven't asked you haven't paid attention

https://www.google.com/search?q=guns+manhood&sitesearch=democraticunderground.com

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #3)

Wed Nov 20, 2013, 12:21 PM

ileus (15,396 posts)

5. you just want to be a man.

LOL....

Good search results.

Of course no one on DU would use these childish clichés.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #3)

Wed Nov 20, 2013, 12:25 PM

Scuba (53,475 posts)

6. So when asked to substantiate your claims, your reply is "search for it yourself"?

 

I already know how to use the search function, but it was you who said there were posts made as ane excuse to "condemn, smear and encourage male anatomy criticisms of gun-owners in general and DU members in particular".

If you can't cite specific posts doing this, why don't you self-delete?

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Response to Scuba (Reply #6)

Wed Nov 20, 2013, 12:48 PM

beevul (12,194 posts)

7. What you're asking is tantamount...

 

What you're asking is tantamount to asking to substantiate a claim that we are surrounded by an atmosphere containing oxygen.


Everyone knows what goes on, you included. Pretending otherwise, just insults everyones intelligence.



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Wed Nov 20, 2013, 01:09 PM

Lizzie Poppet (10,164 posts)

10. Disingenuous questions don't deserve ANY response, much less a search link.

 

Anyone who bothered to read even a small cross-section of gun threads in GD knows full well that they contained countless examples of just the sort of shitposting she referred to. Don't be a troll.

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Wed Nov 20, 2013, 01:47 PM

ileus (15,396 posts)

13. The search provided 100's

Open any one...

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Wed Nov 20, 2013, 04:57 PM

derby378 (30,252 posts)

20. What, you're too lazy to make two mouseclicks?

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Wed Nov 20, 2013, 05:14 PM

Nuclear Unicorn (19,497 posts)

21. How about a search for "gun humpers"?

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Wed Nov 20, 2013, 01:35 PM

NYC_SKP (68,644 posts)

12. Scuba. January 13, 2013: "Derision works. Proven in countless studies."

 

.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2136574

res ipsa loquitur

I like you Scuba, but you shouldn't ask questions if you aren't willing to hear the answers.

2A supporters take WAY more shit than the other team yet we remain civil and reasonable and don't block members from the group.

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Wed Nov 20, 2013, 02:36 PM

Scuba (53,475 posts)

16. Skip, I guess my point has been lost ....

 

Eleanor claimed that DU members were writing posts to "condemn, smear and encourage male anatomy criticisms of gun-owners in general and DU members in particular." The latter part of that claim implies a violation of TOS and should result in an alert/hide.

The fact that I advocate using derision to help effect change does not mean I condone smearing other members, and that includes broad-brush smears like claiming DU members are writing posts to "condemn, smear and encourage male anatomy criticisms of gun-owners in general and DU members in particular."

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Wed Nov 20, 2013, 03:00 PM

NYC_SKP (68,644 posts)

17. Oh I don't think you condone smears, but you have to admit that it exists, that it's done by others.

 

The comments are out there that generally and in childish language try to belittle gun-rights advocates. Examples abound and there are three or so members who do this regularly, mostly from the comfort of their protected group but also in the big forums when they have the chance.

The references to male anatomy are less common.

And whether or not juries have taken action isn't a very reliable measure, as juries often let overt insults stay while hiding other far less offensive posts.

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Wed Nov 20, 2013, 04:34 PM

DonP (6,185 posts)

18. Huh?

 

"The fact that I advocate using derision to help effect change does not mean I condone smearing other members"

So it's OK to deride other members, call them names and impugn their motivation as long as YOU don't think it's a smear and don't specifically use a direct penis reference?

Seems to me that this statement is both an oxymoron of the 1st degree and pretty typical example of the gun control ethos.

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

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Wed Nov 20, 2013, 04:38 PM

Scuba (53,475 posts)

19. No, it's not OK to deride other member, nor did I say it was.

 

How we treat other members is a different issue than how we treat non-members.

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Wed Nov 20, 2013, 06:00 PM

DonP (6,185 posts)

26. Gee I guess all your gun control friends didn't get that memo

 

More than enough smears and derision here just in your thread to go around.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12625176

I'm sure you'll want to go back and correct their smears and insults to fellow DU members, right?

When in doubt, or just plain ignorant, threaten to ban people who don't agree with you. How proud you must be.

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Wed Nov 20, 2013, 05:32 PM

Eleanors38 (18,318 posts)

23. Logic can be tendentious, like a sword fight with flu shot syringes...

 

My Dad related a prank his buddies pulled on the train from Connecticut to NYC during college days during the Depression. First, one of his "pals" ripped a loud one, then everyone but my Dad got up, fanning the Times at him, holding noses, and coughing histrionically as they fled up the ailse. All he could do was shake his head. Oh, no one directly accused HIM of a public pumble. There was no need to.

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Wed Nov 20, 2013, 05:57 PM

Jenoch (7,720 posts)

25. If you don't condone such posts, why did you write one?

 

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Wed Nov 20, 2013, 10:54 PM

beevul (12,194 posts)

29. Thats great.

 

"The fact that I advocate using derision to help effect change does not mean I condone smearing other members..."

That's great. Fabulous even.

Every single time we see a smear, we'll make sure to point them out to you, in a PM perhaps, knowing with certainty in our hearts, that you will rush as fast as you can to condemn them.

Thanks for being our knight in shining armor.

On Second edit:

Put your money where your mouth is:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12625176

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Response to beevul (Reply #29)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 05:50 AM

Scuba (53,475 posts)

31. I reread every post in my thread but didn't find one example of smearing other members.

 

If you noted one, please point it out to me.

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Thu Nov 21, 2013, 06:39 PM

beevul (12,194 posts)

36. As they say, it ain't just a river in egypt. N/T

 

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Thu Nov 21, 2013, 06:39 PM

Scuba (53,475 posts)

37. I'll take that as a "no".

 

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Thu Nov 21, 2013, 07:09 PM

beevul (12,194 posts)

38. Next time, spit in the mask before you put it on.

 

That's one way of making sure it doesn't get fogged up, like it appears to be now.

"Your weak attempts to disrupt this Group with your Gungeoneer philosophy of "gunz for everyone" are evident, as is your contempt for the OP."

"Gungeoneer philosophy of "gunz for everyone".

Assigning to another DU member a position they have not expressed, in a clear attempt to smear.

Nobody who is a regular poster on DU has expressed that position.


How did you miss that, eh?


How many more examples do you need?


How many does it take before it becomes wrong, eh?

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Response to Eleanors38 (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2013, 11:04 AM

Tuesday Afternoon (56,912 posts)

2. appears you are correct ...

Current GD "big news" exceptions

Last edited Mon Nov 18, 2013, 10:34 AM - Edit history (3)
This discussion thread is pinned and locked. It is closed to new replies.
Statement of Purpose for the General Discussion forum:

Discuss politics, issues, and current events. No posts about Israel/Palestine, religion, guns, showbiz, or sports unless there is really big news. No conspiracy theories. No whining about DU.


Status of "big news" exceptions:

There are currently no special exceptions.

link:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022542300

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Response to Eleanors38 (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2013, 12:14 PM

ileus (15,396 posts)

4. Toter baser gunners....

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Wed Nov 20, 2013, 01:04 PM

Star Member petronius (26,416 posts)

8. In case anyone is feeling withdrawal from the GD gun-thread ban, I'll offer

the following Build-Your-Own-GD-Gunthread Template:

Include random variations of the following until desired thread length is reached:
  • "If only the XYZ had had a gun",
  • penis joke (include several),
  • something about guns down pants at Chuck E Cheese,
  • lengthy subthread about how guns are / are not like cars,
  • "must be one of those well-regulated militias",
  • "who's going to take them, you?",
  • "law-abiding right up until s/he wasn't",
  • "As if criminals will obey the law",
  • inane comment passed off as 'what they're saying in the Gungeon',
  • thoughtful comment from Spin to which no one actually replies (include only one of these).
Garnish as desired with your own favorite ingredients.

HTH!

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Response to petronius (Reply #8)

Wed Nov 20, 2013, 08:04 PM

gejohnston (17,502 posts)

28. I kind of miss

reading about camo clad toters prancing around Chuck E. Cheese with their guns hanging out of their pants.

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Response to Eleanors38 (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2013, 01:07 PM

DonP (6,185 posts)

9. I suspect we will see a renewed influx of gun control "fans" ...

 

... as the GD and LBN hosts begin to implement Skinners decree.

If they go to "another forum" nobody will see it for a week or so, or engage them in any conversation beyond the echo chamber, "That's right, it's all the damn NRA's fault".

BTW, has anyone ever actually seen the oft referenced NRA Talking Points?

I mean after all, they are referred to so regularly by the emotionally wracked control folks, that someone must actually have at least one example of a copy of them, right?

You don't think they just make that shit up as a result of intellectual sloth, do you? Hmmmm?

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Wed Nov 20, 2013, 05:26 PM

Bazinga (331 posts)

22. Nope, no NRA talking points.

But there is a thread over in the castle that touts some well worn anti-gun talking points.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12625176

Perhaps there is a bit of projection going on, or am I thinking of the wrong Freudian [strike]penis[/strike] theory?

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Wed Nov 20, 2013, 05:34 PM

DonP (6,185 posts)

24. Always strikes me as odd that none of us get the "NRA talking points" but the gun control "fans" do?

 

Or at least they talk and post like they do.

I'd think, since the NRA is an open website, they could at least cite one or two examples of those talking points we're all supposed to get.

Maybe they're hidden between the lines in Wayne's speeches and you have to have a decoder ring to get them?

It's also funny how some of them obsessively collect pictures of fat guy's asses with guns on their hip too but we're the ones that are supposed to be obsessed?

I bet a decent shrink could have a field day with all that.

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Wed Nov 20, 2013, 01:29 PM

NYC_SKP (68,644 posts)

11. Like a breath of fresh air. I won't miss the childish auto-replies that had become so common.

 

Let's see:

Something something FUCK THE NRA.

Yada yada GUNDAMENTALISTS.

Blankity blank PENIS.

Moar Guns.

Muh Freedums.

I mean seriously, if they can't make a cogent statement who is going to take them seriously?

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Wed Nov 20, 2013, 01:48 PM

rrneck (17,671 posts)

14. Well, like the man said...

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Wed Nov 20, 2013, 01:48 PM

Kurska (5,739 posts)

15. Xmas in November

Thank you Skinner for finally putting an end to such topics in GD. I think this experiment proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that GD is sadly not capable of having civil discussions about firearms. Just like it isn't capable of having a civil discussion about Israel/Palestine.

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Wed Nov 20, 2013, 07:56 PM

ileus (15,396 posts)

27. Maybe it was because so many were pawned by that fake Texas pic last week.

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Thu Nov 21, 2013, 12:13 AM

NYC_SKP (68,644 posts)

30. What did I miss? The kid who was shot with a plastic gun?

 

Nope, that was Michigan: http://www.woodtv.com/news/local/kalamazoo-and-battle-creek/teen-shot-by-officer-in-serious-condition

What did I miss???

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Thu Nov 21, 2013, 08:18 AM

Nuclear Unicorn (19,497 posts)

32. I *think* he's referring to the picture of the pro-2A supporters that

appears as if they're laying an armed siege to a restaurant wherein 4 women were meeting to discuss gun control. It looks menacing of the sort of soldiers arrayed to take some objective. This was the context given to the photo as if the 2A supporters were on the verge of armed insurrection and presumably SOMETHING! must be done about it IMMEDIATELY! else the Republic shall be lost for all time.

However, there is another contemporaneous photo of the exact same scene that shows the pro-2A group was actually posing for a photo where they are arrayed abreast of each other in 2 tiers, one kneeling before the other and everyone sporting a pleasant smile.

A Rorschach moment if ever there were one to be found.

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Thu Nov 21, 2013, 12:40 PM

NYC_SKP (68,644 posts)

33. Ah. The group on the way to Hooters...

 

If everyone would just ignore them they'd probably get tired and go away.

But no, that would be the mature way to handle it, and we can't have that.

Thanks for the details!

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Thu Nov 21, 2013, 01:45 PM

Star Member MicaelS (8,739 posts)

34. Supposedly that was a posed photograph..

Taken by one of the Gun Controllers. She asked to take their picture to supposedly show the "threat" they wear, and they knowingly posed for her.

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Thu Nov 21, 2013, 06:26 PM

NYC_SKP (68,644 posts)

35. Blue Mesa Grill. Now one of the publishers has pulled the posed picture.

 

With four updates in this story, it's a whole lot of dodging about what happened.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2013/11/11/texas-gun-bullies-use-semi-automatics-to-terrorize-mothers-against-guns-nra-remains-silent/2/

Not sure which pictures are which...

I think this one was "controversial":



And this one is clearly posed:



Then they made it over to Hooters!





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Thu Nov 21, 2013, 08:24 PM

ileus (15,396 posts)

39. Yeah the top photo that people were all up in arms about

the open carriers that were "stalking" the innocent moms...trying to intimidate them or some such BS.

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Thu Nov 21, 2013, 08:36 PM

NYC_SKP (68,644 posts)

40. I see now. The top two could have been taken seconds apart.

 

And the top one was clearly taken from some distance and without the group noticing, apparently.

Yet the Forbes article retracted it without explanation, or without an honest one.

Pretty pathetic.

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