Gun Control & RKBA
Related: About this forumThe NFL's ban of a gun ad brings up a constructive proposal:
Run ads by gun safe/lock box companies.
Millions of folks can tune in and get a message that can "save lives" by encouraging safe firearm storage. Some DU gun controllers have advocated laws requiring safe storage. But why wait for the machinations of politics to run its course state-by-state? In effect, a national campaign can be started, appealing to a huge demographically viable audience with little delay and zero -0- cost to taxpayers.
What do you think?
Niceguy1
(2,467 posts)And safe storage is the most effective way to address the problem.
sigmasix
(794 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,555 posts)Many folks have guns and young children at home that could benefit from safe storage means.
Despite existing laws, public campaigns against drunk driving had the greatest impact in abating the problem.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,555 posts)Drunk driving laws have been around (in some places) for over a century. We still have alcohol related auto accidents killing about 18,000 people a year in the US.
Lots of people quit smoking or smoke much less than before and I believe a huge number of people never started.
Information is power.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)but some on here would still have their heads explode
jimmy the one
(2,717 posts)eleanors Run ads by gun safe/lock box companies. Millions of folks can tune in and get a message that can "save lives" by encouraging safe firearm storage. Some DU gun controllers have advocated laws requiring safe storage.
What do you think?
Great idea, that's what I thinks.
But will the nra & guns of america (goa) et al inter alios come out & oppose these ads since they would hinder the ability to snap fire when a hell bent thug comes crashing thru the roof? the awful time to unlock the safe storage box & access the gun could mean the difference between death & rape & life for the precious children --- will any self respecting daddio want to risk his children's lives by securing his guns in safe storage where they'd be unaccessible to both himself as well as his toddlers?
Sheesh, the nra lobby might boycott pro football.
PS I might x-post this to 'my place' when I have more time to devote to it, if ok with youse & yours.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)There are a number of gun safe & lock box manufacturers; perhaps they have a an industry-wide institute or association which could produce an ad and level the costs. Who knows, perhaps other groups could join in?
I'm not clear on why a lobby group like the NRA or GIA would object. I do note the National Shooting Sports Foundation & ProjectChildSafe.org has been taking out full-page ads advocating safe storage in major hunting mags and, I believe, shooting mags. Do you think this is a good idea?
MH1
(18,111 posts)Once you get a potential gun owner (or even a current gun owner) thinking about safety and the awful things that can happen with an unsecured gun in the house ... they might start thinking about whether it's worth the trouble. It adds a factor to the equation that for some people might result in NOT buying a gun at all. The NRA exists to make money for gun manufacturers, period. So ANYTHING that could potentially dampen enthusiasm for gun purchases, even if indirectly, could be seen to be a threat.
I don't actually know this, of course, but I'm speculating and if someone pushed me to bet a dollar, my money would be on the NRA opposing it. If only just because they're dicks.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)or a swimming pool especially if said people were to look at the CDC statistics?
My bet would be that the NRA and the NSSF would support it.
I'm betting they they have safe ads in their magazine.
Not quite, they exist for some of the same reasons NRA-UK, NFA (Canada), PROTELL (Switzerland) does. Yes they have a lobby arm, but that is a different organization.
MH1
(18,111 posts)I disagree that the "lobby arm" of the NRA is a different organization.
They want to sell guns, period. No matter how many children die, no matter how many lives are broken.
But whatever. Clearly you think the NRA is A-OK.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)since they kill more people than guns do.
legally it has to be a seperate organization
No, I don't see them selling guns on the black market to drug gangs etc. The people who buy the drugs put the guns in their hands with their money because the drug prohibitionists took the courts away from them.
I don't like the NRA leadership, and there are better organizations. I actually prefer the IFOA
That said, do you think Bloomberg cares about the victims of knife violence? About the many people who defend themselves with a gun each year? How about the PR flack he hired to head MDA? Did she care about GMO victims when she worked for Monsanto as a propagandist? Does Bloomberg care about the criminal activities of many of his members? Many MAIG members can't legally possess a gun. Like the latest bust, he was a convicted felon when he was elected mayor, now his DUI bust, punching out a clock and making racist rants is a You Tube sensation. That is before you get to the sexual harassing mayor of San Diego, mayor of Detroit, oh and the MAIG member who threatened someone with a gun. The NRA leadership has its head up its ass and has a bunch of ass clowns on the board of directors, but at least the seem more law abiding.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)A prominent ad with perhaps the biggest T.V. audience in the world, when (to my knowledge) there has never been a "national" ad, could very well be the kind of legitimate "arrival" of firearms ownership not seen in the modern era. While not the only consideration, it can figure in the mix.
It will be interesting to see what the control/prohibition lobby thinks about this.
aikoaiko
(34,201 posts)I don't think they would object.
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Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Have any of those fun things?
Ranchemp.
(1,991 posts)GOA isn't the acronym for Guns of America, it's Gun Owners of America.
I don't think the OP will have any problem with you xposting this in the other group.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)self delete, try again. K?
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,555 posts)petronius
(26,654 posts)the NFL might accept, and then someone would have to pay for it. (I doubt that the return on a SB ad would be worth the cost for a safe/lock box company, and even from one of those companies I suspect it would be categorized as a 'gun' ad by a lot of folks, if it was in an advertising format.)
But I think you're correct in principle - a safe-storage PSA in that venue could reach a lot of people. It would be nice to see such a thing made, perhaps with support of both pro-2A and pro-more-gun-control activists, and subsidized by the league and networks...
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)petronius
(26,654 posts)Which it should - "Store your firearms safely!" shouldn't be controversial, really. This story says that it was NFL rules that barred the gun ad; I have no idea if networks themselves have restrictions on firearm-related ads (they shouldn't, IMO)...
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts).
Just as condom and safe sex ads are seen as pro-promiscuity measures by the extreme fundamentalist right wing.
You know it's true.
Anything short of "All Gunz BAD" messaging will not be accepted.
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)The mere suggestion could invite an alert that might result in a hidden reply.
That's not what I was suggesting at all.
My fingertips must have slipped.
I meant to type "Visigoths".
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Still bitter about missing the sack of Rome, though...
DonP
(6,185 posts)With only a handful of people posting in Bansalot a few times a week, they shifted to GD for the last 6 months or so to try and drive things. But folks in GD got tired of it too and asked to move all their gun posts back to their safe haven.
Skinner said OK, had gun threads closed or moved and now the usual suspects are coordinating a big push about moving it all back into GD, based on the anniversary of Sandy Hook as a special event. Skinner keeps saying politely no, most people don't want it in GD, but they keep pushing. These are the same people that demanded a safe haven, got it and when nobody came, demand to get back in GD.
I did hear that the parents and village officials at Sandy Hook asked everyone, media, politicians et. al. to just leave them alone on the anniversary. Let's see if the media, Brady and Bloomberg can respect their wished and control themselves better than they did at Virginia Tech on their anniversary.