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Sat Dec 7, 2013, 08:19 AM

Eleanors38 (18,318 posts)

The NFL's ban of a gun ad brings up a constructive proposal:

Run ads by gun safe/lock box companies.

Millions of folks can tune in and get a message that can "save lives" by encouraging safe firearm storage. Some DU gun controllers have advocated laws requiring safe storage. But why wait for the machinations of politics to run its course state-by-state? In effect, a national campaign can be started, appealing to a huge demographically viable audience with little delay and zero -0- cost to taxpayers.

What do you think?

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The NFL's ban of a gun ad brings up a constructive proposal: (Original post)	Eleanors38	Dec 2013	OP
I think that safety	Niceguy1	Dec 2013	#1
in other words; allow gundamentalists to voluntarily police themselves. awesome idea.	sigmasix	Dec 2013	#2
What part of 'something to do in the meantime/legislative process runs in parallel' escaped you?	AtheistCrusader	Dec 2013	#26
This is a fine idea	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Dec 2013	#3
I think the best anti-smoking campaigns were ads.	Eleanors38	Dec 2013	#6
There is no greater service to folks than reliable information	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Dec 2013	#9
I agree	Duckhunter935	Dec 2013	#4
fantastic, brava	jimmy the one	Dec 2013	#5
Please do post this elsewhere. The key is safety...	Eleanors38	Dec 2013	#7
Why the NRA might object:	MH1	Dec 2013	#10
then wouldn't they also question the safety of having a car?	gejohnston	Dec 2013	#12
WTF does the NRA questioning the safety of having a car have to do with anything?	MH1	Dec 2013	#18
I mean the individual questioning the need for the car	gejohnston	Dec 2013	#19
Interesting speculation. My view is the NRA would welcome legitimization.	Eleanors38	Dec 2013	#14
The NRA has a long history of gun safety programs	aikoaiko	Dec 2013	#25
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Dec 2013	#29
Facts? Statistics?	Agschmid	Dec 2013	#30
Just a little correction,	Ranchemp.	Dec 2013	#8
dood. wurst spellchsck evah.	NYC_SKP	Dec 2013	#16
~~~	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Dec 2013	#17
The down-side of proposing a safe-storage ad for the Super Bowl is that	petronius	Dec 2013	#11
A wider question: Would MSM allow such for national programming?	Eleanors38	Dec 2013	#13
I would hope so, particularly if the PSA message had broad-based support	petronius	Dec 2013	#15
Problem: Gun Safe or Gun Lock Box ads would be rejected, seen as Pro-Gun marketing by the @#$#%$s.	NYC_SKP	Dec 2013	#20
Are you refering to Castle Bansalot and the wanna be banners inside?	oneshooter	Dec 2013	#21
Oh heaven's no.	NYC_SKP	Dec 2013	#22
So now you are going to pissoff the Goths on DU?	oneshooter	Dec 2013	#24
I've already composed my whiny complaint letter!	Lizzie Poppet	Dec 2013	#28
But their "whine list" in ATA seems to grow by the day	DonP	Dec 2013	#23
Can't hurt. Safe storage is always a good idea, all other issues aside.	AtheistCrusader	Dec 2013	#27

Response to Eleanors38 (Original post)

Sat Dec 7, 2013, 08:41 AM

Niceguy1 (2,467 posts)

1. I think that safety

And safe storage is the most effective way to address the problem.

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Sat Dec 7, 2013, 08:50 AM

sigmasix (794 posts)

2. in other words; allow gundamentalists to voluntarily police themselves. awesome idea.

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Mon Dec 9, 2013, 12:52 PM

AtheistCrusader (33,982 posts)

26. What part of 'something to do in the meantime/legislative process runs in parallel' escaped you?

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Sat Dec 7, 2013, 09:03 AM

discntnt_irny_srcsm (18,136 posts)

3. This is a fine idea

Many folks have guns and young children at home that could benefit from safe storage means.

Despite existing laws, public campaigns against drunk driving had the greatest impact in abating the problem.

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Sat Dec 7, 2013, 12:01 PM

Eleanors38 (18,318 posts)

6. I think the best anti-smoking campaigns were ads.

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Sat Dec 7, 2013, 12:51 PM

discntnt_irny_srcsm (18,136 posts)

9. There is no greater service to folks than reliable information

Drunk driving laws have been around (in some places) for over a century. We still have alcohol related auto accidents killing about 18,000 people a year in the US.

Lots of people quit smoking or smoke much less than before and I believe a huge number of people never started.

Information is power.

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Sat Dec 7, 2013, 10:13 AM

Duckhunter935 (16,974 posts)

4. I agree

but some on here would still have their heads explode

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Sat Dec 7, 2013, 11:02 AM

jimmy the one (2,660 posts)

5. fantastic, brava

eleanors Run ads by gun safe/lock box companies. Millions of folks can tune in and get a message that can "save lives" by encouraging safe firearm storage. Some DU gun controllers have advocated laws requiring safe storage.
What do you think?

Great idea, that's what I thinks.
But will the nra & guns of america (goa) et al inter alios come out & oppose these ads since they would hinder the ability to snap fire when a hell bent thug comes crashing thru the roof? the awful time to unlock the safe storage box & access the gun could mean the difference between death & rape & life for the precious children --- will any self respecting daddio want to risk his children's lives by securing his guns in safe storage where they'd be unaccessible to both himself as well as his toddlers?
Sheesh, the nra lobby might boycott pro football.

PS I might x-post this to 'my place' when I have more time to devote to it, if ok with youse & yours.

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Sat Dec 7, 2013, 12:17 PM

Eleanors38 (18,318 posts)

7. Please do post this elsewhere. The key is safety...

There are a number of gun safe & lock box manufacturers; perhaps they have a an industry-wide institute or association which could produce an ad and level the costs. Who knows, perhaps other groups could join in?

I'm not clear on why a lobby group like the NRA or GIA would object. I do note the National Shooting Sports Foundation & ProjectChildSafe.org has been taking out full-page ads advocating safe storage in major hunting mags and, I believe, shooting mags. Do you think this is a good idea?

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #7)

Sat Dec 7, 2013, 06:09 PM

MH1 (17,162 posts)

10. Why the NRA might object:

Once you get a potential gun owner (or even a current gun owner) thinking about safety and the awful things that can happen with an unsecured gun in the house ... they might start thinking about whether it's worth the trouble. It adds a factor to the equation that for some people might result in NOT buying a gun at all. The NRA exists to make money for gun manufacturers, period. So ANYTHING that could potentially dampen enthusiasm for gun purchases, even if indirectly, could be seen to be a threat.

I don't actually know this, of course, but I'm speculating and if someone pushed me to bet a dollar, my money would be on the NRA opposing it. If only just because they're dicks.

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Sat Dec 7, 2013, 06:28 PM

gejohnston (17,502 posts)

12. then wouldn't they also question the safety of having a car?

or a swimming pool especially if said people were to look at the CDC statistics?
My bet would be that the NRA and the NSSF would support it.
I'm betting they they have safe ads in their magazine.

The NRA exists to make money for gun manufacturers, period.

Not quite, they exist for some of the same reasons NRA-UK, NFA (Canada), PROTELL (Switzerland) does. Yes they have a lobby arm, but that is a different organization.

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Sat Dec 7, 2013, 11:51 PM

MH1 (17,162 posts)

18. WTF does the NRA questioning the safety of having a car have to do with anything?

I disagree that the "lobby arm" of the NRA is a different organization.

They want to sell guns, period. No matter how many children die, no matter how many lives are broken.

But whatever. Clearly you think the NRA is A-OK.

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Sun Dec 8, 2013, 12:20 AM

gejohnston (17,502 posts)

19. I mean the individual questioning the need for the car

since they kill more people than guns do.
legally it has to be a seperate organization
No, I don't see them selling guns on the black market to drug gangs etc. The people who buy the drugs put the guns in their hands with their money because the drug prohibitionists took the courts away from them.

I don't like the NRA leadership, and there are better organizations. I actually prefer the IFOA
That said, do you think Bloomberg cares about the victims of knife violence? About the many people who defend themselves with a gun each year? How about the PR flack he hired to head MDA? Did she care about GMO victims when she worked for Monsanto as a propagandist? Does Bloomberg care about the criminal activities of many of his members? Many MAIG members can't legally possess a gun. Like the latest bust, he was a convicted felon when he was elected mayor, now his DUI bust, punching out a clock and making racist rants is a You Tube sensation. That is before you get to the sexual harassing mayor of San Diego, mayor of Detroit, oh and the MAIG member who threatened someone with a gun. The NRA leadership has its head up its ass and has a bunch of ass clowns on the board of directors, but at least the seem more law abiding.

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Response to MH1 (Reply #10)

Sat Dec 7, 2013, 07:02 PM

Eleanors38 (18,318 posts)

14. Interesting speculation. My view is the NRA would welcome legitimization.

A prominent ad with perhaps the biggest T.V. audience in the world, when (to my knowledge) there has never been a "national" ad, could very well be the kind of legitimate "arrival" of firearms ownership not seen in the modern era. While not the only consideration, it can figure in the mix.

It will be interesting to see what the control/prohibition lobby thinks about this.

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Sun Dec 8, 2013, 12:52 PM

aikoaiko (33,344 posts)

25. The NRA has a long history of gun safety programs

I don't think they would object.

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Mon Dec 9, 2013, 10:22 PM

Agschmid (28,749 posts)

30. Facts? Statistics?

Have any of those fun things?

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Sat Dec 7, 2013, 12:32 PM

Ranchemp. (1,991 posts)

8. Just a little correction,

GOA isn't the acronym for Guns of America, it's Gun Owners of America.

I don't think the OP will have any problem with you xposting this in the other group.

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Sat Dec 7, 2013, 09:36 PM

NYC_SKP (68,644 posts)

16. dood. wurst spellchsck evah.

of america (goa) et al inter alios come out & oppose these ads since they would hinder the ability to snap fire when a hell bent thug comes crashing thru

self delete, try again. K?

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Sat Dec 7, 2013, 09:38 PM

discntnt_irny_srcsm (18,136 posts)

17. ~~~

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Sat Dec 7, 2013, 06:25 PM

petronius (26,416 posts)

11. The down-side of proposing a safe-storage ad for the Super Bowl is that

the NFL might accept, and then someone would have to pay for it.

(I doubt that the return on a SB ad would be worth the cost for a safe/lock box company, and even from one of those companies I suspect it would be categorized as a 'gun' ad by a lot of folks, if it was in an advertising format.)

But I think you're correct in principle - a safe-storage PSA in that venue could reach a lot of people. It would be nice to see such a thing made, perhaps with support of both pro-2A and pro-more-gun-control activists, and subsidized by the league and networks...

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Sat Dec 7, 2013, 06:48 PM

Eleanors38 (18,318 posts)

13. A wider question: Would MSM allow such for national programming?

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Sat Dec 7, 2013, 07:44 PM

petronius (26,416 posts)

15. I would hope so, particularly if the PSA message had broad-based support

Which it should - "Store your firearms safely!" shouldn't be controversial, really. This story says that it was NFL rules that barred the gun ad; I have no idea if networks themselves have restrictions on firearm-related ads (they shouldn't, IMO)...

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Sun Dec 8, 2013, 12:55 AM

NYC_SKP (68,644 posts)

20. Problem: Gun Safe or Gun Lock Box ads would be rejected, seen as Pro-Gun marketing by the @#$#%$s.

.

Just as condom and safe sex ads are seen as pro-promiscuity measures by the extreme fundamentalist right wing.

You know it's true.

Anything short of "All Gunz BAD" messaging will not be accepted.

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Sun Dec 8, 2013, 01:30 AM

oneshooter (8,598 posts)

21. Are you refering to Castle Bansalot and the wanna be banners inside?

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Sun Dec 8, 2013, 01:34 AM

NYC_SKP (68,644 posts)

22. Oh heaven's no.

The mere suggestion could invite an alert that might result in a hidden reply.

That's not what I was suggesting at all.

My fingertips must have slipped.

I meant to type "Visigoths".

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Sun Dec 8, 2013, 11:52 AM

oneshooter (8,598 posts)

24. So now you are going to pissoff the Goths on DU?

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Mon Dec 9, 2013, 12:58 PM

Lizzie Poppet (10,164 posts)

28. I've already composed my whiny complaint letter!

Still bitter about missing the sack of Rome, though...

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Sun Dec 8, 2013, 09:00 AM

DonP (6,185 posts)

23. But their "whine list" in ATA seems to grow by the day

With only a handful of people posting in Bansalot a few times a week, they shifted to GD for the last 6 months or so to try and drive things. But folks in GD got tired of it too and asked to move all their gun posts back to their safe haven.

Skinner said OK, had gun threads closed or moved and now the usual suspects are coordinating a big push about moving it all back into GD, based on the anniversary of Sandy Hook as a special event. Skinner keeps saying politely no, most people don't want it in GD, but they keep pushing. These are the same people that demanded a safe haven, got it and when nobody came, demand to get back in GD.

I did hear that the parents and village officials at Sandy Hook asked everyone, media, politicians et. al. to just leave them alone on the anniversary. Let's see if the media, Brady and Bloomberg can respect their wished and control themselves better than they did at Virginia Tech on their anniversary.

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Mon Dec 9, 2013, 12:54 PM

AtheistCrusader (33,982 posts)

27. Can't hurt. Safe storage is always a good idea, all other issues aside.

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