Gun-control groups push for more laws in NY

[Ranchemp.]

ALBANY — As gun-rights groups seek to overturn last year's gun law, gun-control groups Wednesday said they want additional regulations in New York.

On the one-year anniversary of the SAFE Act, the groups and Democratic lawmakers said New York shouldn't stop at the law passed last year.

“The NY SAFE Act included crucial and widely popular provisions like background checks on all gun purchasers, a prohibition on sales of assault rifles with certain characteristics, a ban on high-capacity ammunition magazines, and other measures,” the groups, including New Yorkers Against Gun Violence, said in a statement.

State Legislators Against Illegal Guns-NY said it wants the Legislature to pass bills that would require additional safety storage of guns if the owners have children, require all semi-automatic handguns to have a feature that puts a code on each spent shell casing, called microstamping, and limit buyers to one handgun purchase a month.

http://www.lohud.com/article/CB/20140115/NEWS10/301150038/Gun-control-groups-push-more-laws-NY


And these gun control groups wonder why they're deeply mistrusted by gun owners, they keep wanting more and more laws until finally.............................

[hrmjustin]

1. Good. NY must lead the way on gun control.

[Ranchemp.]

2. Well, we each have our own opinion,

and I respect yours, much as I disagree with it.

[hrmjustin]

3. .

[Straw Man]

4. I have no problem with safe storage laws ...

... for people with children. The fact that it's unenforceable and only adds additional penalties after the fact of tragedy notwithstanding, I think it's well-meant and may cause some people to amend their behavior.

One-handgun-a-month laws assume that everyone is a gun-runner. That is virtually impossible in NYS, since every handgun must be registered to its owner and de-registered when it is disposed of. If my gun card has 10 pistols on it that I no longer physically possess, I'm going to have some serious explaining to do to the State Police, unless I have reported them stolen. Running guns by legally purchasing them in New York State is not a business plan with a future.

New York can't lead the way on microstamping because Callifornia has had it on the books since 2007. It wasn't implemented until May of 2013, though, because of issues with the technology. So far, the only impact has been a reduction in the number of models of automatic pistols that can be legally sold in California. One suspects that this, rather than actual crime-solving, was the goal all along. Ballistic fingerprinting, which relies on the same premise as microstamping but is somewhat more labor-intensive, was the law in New York State for ten years but failed to solve a single crime. It was scrapped as an expensive boondoggle, a fate which is unlikely for California's microstamping law since the financial burden of that legislation falls on the gun makers and owners rather than on the state. In other words, "We don't care if it actually works as long as we're not the ones paying for it."

[friendly_iconoclast]

9. Never underestimate the appeal of security theater to the dogmatic and uninformed...

[ileus]

5. Sad to see basic rights so misunderstood.

[NYC_SKP]

7. Legislation born of fear and manufactured terror is rarely effective, is usually counterproductive.

Though I don't have a problem with one handgun per month...

Microstamping is idiocy. Crazed murderers don't care if they get caught, this is just a ploy to make guns prohibitively expensive.

Safe storage, duh, but how do you enforce it before the accidental discharges?

Nope, whenever fear is the tool used, the outcome is poor.

THAT is why a handful of members want GD to be the daily source of gun news and place to post misleading and outright false "studies" and lies.

The only tool they have is fear.

[SecularMotion]

6. Let's hear it for New Yorkers Against Gun Violence

Here's a link to their website

http://nyagv.org/

[friendly_iconoclast]

8. They planning on making revolvers and diamond nail files illegal while they're at it?

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If not, their proposals are nothing more than theater

[Straw Man]

12. Against gun violence?

You mean they're not against all the other kinds?

[spin]

10. It's probably easier to pass draconian gun laws in New York State ...

as probably a fair percentage of gun owners have moved to more gun friendly states.

It almost impossible to push strong gun control laws through Congress as many of the states with a low population oppose such laws and they have two Senators and only two, just like the much higher populated states like New York, Illinois and California which strongly support gun control.

Still a number of gun owners still live in New York State and they may show up the polls to vote against Democrats. This may cost our party some seats in the state legislature and at the local level in close elections.

I have no serious problems with the states determining what regulations apply to gun ownership. Often if a state passes laws which restrict the 2nd Amendment too much, the legal system or the Supreme Court will overturn them.

Of course I live in Florida. I have no major problems with the gun laws in my state and believe that they are reasonable.

[Straw Man]

11. I feel bad for upstate Democratic reps.

There's going to be a backlash. Even those who voted against the SAFE Act, like Aileen Gunther, may face some serious challenges. There is a lot of animosity in rural counties. Fifty-two county legislatures have adopted resolutions opposing the act.

Andrew Cuomo threw upstate Democrats under the bus with the SAFE Act, just to fuel his Presidential aspirations.

[spin]

13. I doubt that Andrew Cuomo has much chance of winning the Presidential race in 2016. ...

If he was able to defeat Hillary in the primaries (unlikely) he would find that an extremely high percentage of the 80,000,000 gun owners in our nation and many adult members of their families would show up at the polls to vote against him.

But then, I might be wrong. Time will tell.

[Straw Man]

14. I agree ...

... but it's kind of amusing to watch him try to triangulate. Last year's SotS address was all about reproductive rights and gun control. This year he was the businessman's best friend: "No corporate taxes!"

What a weasel.

[One_Life_To_Give]

15. Banning a 19th Century Blackpowder Pistol wasn't enough?

i feel so much safer knowing some modern day Jeb Stuart isn't going to ride up Madison Ave and fill us full of holes now. Surely we can also manage to ban the Brown Bess and other filthy weapons of war.