I support the repeal of the Second Amendment. (nt)

[stone space]

[hack89]

1. So? Nt

[IronGate]

2. Good for you.

Of course you do realize that the chances of repealing the 2nd Amendment is slim to none and slim just left the station.

[stone space]

10. They said the same thing about enacting the ERA, and so far...

...they are right, but that doesn't change the fact that I still support passing the ERA.

[IronGate]

43. You're in the minority with wanting to repeal the 2A.

But you should get right on it and petition the congress to repeal it, of course you do know that all it takes is 13 states to block any repeal.

[stone space]

45. See my reply here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=144227

I hit post right before reading your comment.

[IronGate]

46. Fair enough.

You're honest about realizing that a repeal of the 2A is an unattainable goal, but we are entitled to our own opinions.

BTW, welcome to DU.

[doc03]

3. I support the 2nd Amendment but think it needs

clarified or modified.

[stone space]

11. Anything that moves us away From Scalia's Fundamentalist interpretation of it would be welcome. (nt)

[petronius]

4. I don't, but it's cool if you do. Welcome to DU!

[Jenoch]

5. What are you doing to reach your lofty goal.

[Lizzie Poppet]

6. Thank you for your honesty.

And no, I'm not being the least bit sarcastic or snarky.

[sarisataka]

7. I support the repeal of the Patriot Act

I think we should not mess with the BoR

[stone space]

9. We agree on the Patriot Act. (nt)

[Duckhunter935]

8. I don't

I do not think it will ever happen and if it does, it will just be decided state by state.

welcome and I hope we can have some nice discussions.

[clffrdjk]

12. Good luck with that.

[Jgarrick]

13. Other than posting this anonymously on a message board, what are you doing (if anything) to make

your goal come true?

[Common Sense Party]

14. Any other parts of the Bill of Rights you think we should do away with?

And how do you think this repeal is going to happen?

[rrneck]

15. We should be able to quarter troops as long as they bring beer. nt

[stone space]

17. Corporations are not people, money is not speech, and pass the ERA. (nt)

[Common Sense Party]

21. That's not an answer.

But I really didn't expect one, so I'm not disappointed.

[stone space]

42. I gave you some other differences that I might have with the Constitution and/or...

...its interpretation by the Supremes.

Not sure what else I can do.

Are there some other specific differences that I didn't mention that you'd like to make?

I'm not sure what you are looking for here.

If you are thinking of something specific, then perhaps you should say so.

[Common Sense Party]

54. Which other parts of the Bill of Rights do you want to "repeal"?

If YOU are thinking of something specific, perhaps YOU should say so.

[spin]

16. That's fine. I don't. (n/t)

[SkatmanRoth]

18. I do not support the repeal of the Second Amendment. (nt)

[ileus]

19. I support the most basic of human rights.

Before anything else you have to be able to protect your person and family.


That's why we need to move away from the second and recognize firearms ownership as an essential element of life. Food, Water, Shelter, Safety.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

20. Two questions

What do you believe the 2A does?
How would you define a right?

[actslikeacarrot]

22. I support the repeal of the third amendment.

..I call your couch!

[DonP]

23. You seem to think that the 2nd somehow "grants" the RKBA. You're wrong.

The 2nd amendment, like the 1st, in a restriction on the government that they may not impede in any way a preexisting right.

Even if the 2nd was somehow repealed, the right would still exist, enshrined in state constitutions.

Maybe a remedial civics course is in order. Then you can get those petitions started.

[jimmy the one]

24. 2ndA is a worthless POS

sonte space: I support the repeal of the Second Amendment

You might consider renouncing the 2ndA as well, like I did a year or so back, & like Sharon stone did about 1999 after columbine. Repealing it is implausible, but a future supreme court could overturn 2008 heller & 2010 mcd.
.. 2ndA protects us from NOTHING, it's obsolete worthless junk science maintained by a corrupt gun lobby for profits & preying on gullible young americans, like a pied piper leading them off a pier.
.. Having no 2ndA right anymore as I renounced it, I could still go out & buy a gun so long as I passed a bg check, which I certainly could. There's no '2ndAmendment' Check in order to buy a firearm, nobody asks if you believe in it, gun dealers couldn't care less, especially at gun shows, excepting a few of the unethical sellers who need worry about undercover agents in sheep's clothing.

1999 Actress Sharon Stone, post-Columbine, turned in her guns to the LAPD, announcing her wish to relinquish her Second Amendment rights in favor of "peace of mind."

As well, GHBush relinquished his nra lifetime membership, and also gen norman Schwarzkopf (dec'd).
Brava Sharon.

[Jgarrick]

25. You're surprised there isn't a"2nd Amendment belief check" requirement to purchase a firearm?

Tell me, do you think one should have to declare their support for the First Amendment before purchasing a book?

[Straw Man]

27. You "renounced" the Second Amendment?

Bully for you. What a colossally empty gesture ...

Having no 2ndA right anymore as I renounced it, I could still go out & buy a gun so long as I passed a bg check, which I certainly could.

Right. And that situation will continue indefinitely, because no one would ever want to legislate away your right to own a firearm, even in the absence of Constitutional protections. Amirite?

[Politicalboi]

26. I would support it too

Make it a 20 year minimum sentence if caught with one. I think we would see a drop. It would take time.

[Straw Man]

28. More cheerleading for Leviathan and the Death Star.

How very progressive ...

[Nuclear Unicorn]

60. You believe the government murdered 3,000 of its own citizens on 9/11 but

you want the government to have a monopoly on lethal force.

Makes perfect sense -- to someone.

[upaloopa]

29. I support returning to the interpretation that

includes the whole amendment. There isn't another country on earth that is stupid enough to think there should be unlimited use of firearms, that would have a stand your ground law which is legalized murder. We let the gun lobby and gun manufacturers run all over the rights of people to feel safe in their lives.
Gunners represent a sickness in this society that comes from the corporatizing and tea partying of our laws.

[Jenoch]

30. Please name a country that has "...unlimited use of firearms..."

[upaloopa]

31. I guess you haven't been studying Georgia's

guns everywhere law have you?

[Jgarrick]

32. Georgia now has "unlimited use of firearms"? Really?

I've always wanted an M249 squad automatic weapon. Atlanta, here I come!

[Jenoch]

33. There is a country named Georgia, but that ain't it.

[Straw Man]

34. You mean that in Georgia ...

... one can now carry in churches and bars? Just as one has always been able to do in ... wait for it ... New York?

Blood in the streets! The sky is falling!

[upaloopa]

35. To you we should be cheering but to most of us it is a black day

I think you never tire of being anti social when it comes to guns.

[friendly_iconoclast]

39. Overwrought appeals to emotion seem to be popular with you lot

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2014/04/can-50-million-buy-michael-bloomberg-gun-control/

“I think the NRA should be very afraid of Americans, who’ve had enough of the gun violence in this country and in particular moms,” Shannon Watts, founder of Moms Demand Action and a board member for Everytown for Gun Safety, said. “Moms are afraid our children will be taken away and in the end, I think that’s the emotion that will win the debate.”

...saith the former

Director, Global Public and Corporate Affairs
Monsanto

Public Company; 10,001+ employees; MON; Biotechnology industry

2001 – 2004 (3 years)

Provided corporate communications strategy and support for Fortune 500 life sciences and agricultural company.

http://www.linkedin.com/in/shannontroughton

“Sentimentality, the ostentatious parading of excessive and spurious emotion, is the mark of dishonesty...the wet eyes of the sentimentalist betray his aversion to experience, his fear of life, his arid heart; and it is always, therefore, the signal of secret and violent humanity, the mark of cruelty.”

― James Baldwin

[Straw Man]

55. I was merely pointing out ...

... that the Georgia legislation brings it into line with what is already legal in New York and always has been. Yet New York is considered one of the strictest, if not THE strictest, state in the Union when it comes to gun control. Nevertheless, many prohibitionists are having a field day railing about rednecks and blood in the streets. It hasn't been a problem in New York. Do you have any comment to make about that?

IMO, a licensed carrier should only be denied carry in areas that require strict screening -- scans and bag searches -- to enter and provide their own armed security inside. Anything more is just another attempt at a "ban of a thousand cuts."

[beevul]

36. Say you actually get that done. Then what? N/T

[stone space]

38. Then we can finally have a rational discussion of gun policy...

...from a public policy perspective, unencumbered by artificial constitutional restrictions.

[hack89]

40. So the Bill of Rights represent an artificial restriction?

Think how rational we could be if we got rid the entire BOR.

[stone space]

41. Apples and Oranges.

It's like responding to a person who supports the ERA with a response that suggests that he or she would like to repeal the 13th Amendment.

Focus.

If you actually believe that the Second Amendment is actually worth defending, there would be no deed for deflection and a change of subject.

You would just defend the Amendment on its merits.

[hack89]

48. The right to self defense is a fundamental civil right

The 2A as written and as presently interprated supports that right. Abolishing the 2A doesn't change that fact.

The 2A is not your problem. The only right explicitly recognized by the SC is the right to own a gun in your home for self defense. Even Scalia says that anything beyond that can be regulated. Remember that no AWB has ever been declared unconstitutional. All proposed gun control legislation short of an out right ban would be perfectly legal right now.

The failure to impose the gun control you want is a political issue, not a legal one.

[beevul]

59. Define rational.

"Then we can finally have a rational discussion of gun policy..."

Oh, a discussion is all you want? How does the second amendment prevent any discussion? Define rational.

"from a public policy perspective"

Oh, you didn't really mean you wanted a discussion, you meant you wanted everyone to take some dictation.

"unencumbered by artificial constitutional restrictions."

With the purpose being, to come up with some equally artificial restrictions against guns and the people that own them.

Whats the difference between the artificial legal restraints you would see enacted against guns and gun owners, and the artificial constitutional restrictions you feel stand in their way and would therefore like removed.

There isn't any.

[Logical]

37. Not even a majority of liberals would support this. nt

[stone space]

44. I can live with that. It reminds me of discussions about gay marriage...

...and the abolition of nuclear weapons that we used to have here in Iowa back in the 1970s.

I've had any number of opinions over my lifetime that "not even a majority of liberals would support".

I'm used to it, and it doesn't really bother me.

It just comes with the territory whenever one has opinions.

[Logical]

47. People want guns. That is the problem. Giving Gay Marriage to people is not like taking....

guns away from people. Get it?

[stone space]

49. No.

Get it?

[Logical]

50. LOL, yea, I get it. nt

[stone space]

51. We were talking about opinions that "not even a majority of liberals would support".

So I pointed a few such opinions of mine.

Do you have no opinions that "not even a majority of liberals would support"?

Do you consider it wrong to have such opinions?

[Jenoch]

52. If the 2nd Amendment were repealed wouldn't RKBA

be reverted to the various states? There are only six states that do not have RKBA in their state constitutions, Iowa is one of them. I know that in Minnesota, where I live, I believe if the 2A were to be repraled at some point it would be added to our state constitution.

I just do not see the repeal of the 2A as a reasonable goal because of the political capital it would require.

By the way, what are you doing to attain your goal? The reason I ask is because the anti-RKBA people just do not seem to be as enthusiastic about gun control/confiscation as do the RKBA people are about keeping their RKBA.

The way I look at it is that those against RKBA don't have to do anything to continue not owning a gun.

[stone space]

56. I've never claimed the repeal of the Second Amendment as anything more...

...than a moderate, wishy-washy, middle of the road position that would not ban a single gun, but which would free us from artificially imposed constitutional restraints on rational public policy discussions and policymaking as part of the democratic process.

[Jenoch]

57. ...free us from artificially imposed constitutional restraints on rational public policy discussions

And yet for most people, that would nit be the case.

[oneshooter]

58. "rational public policy discussions" How is that?

Aren't you here having a discussion about this very thing? Is it not rational and polite?

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

53. Once again...

Two questions:
What do you believe the 2A does?
How would you define a right?