She had the right to defend herself!

[SevenSixtyTwo]

And she did. Some believe she shouldn't have that right. I believe more victims should exercise that right.

[link:http://www.ijreview.com/2014/05/136659-pistol-packin-grannie-gets-shot-three-times-lets-detroit-thugs-know-shes-packin-worst-way/|

[blueridge3210]

1. Sad some would deny her the right to adequate self defense.

Some who post here would try to link her desire to defend herself to membership in the KKK or Nazi party.

[ManiacJoe]

2. Way to not give up after being shot!

[spin]

3. Perhaps the Detriot police chief was right. ...

Police Chief James Craig: More guns could equal less crime in Detroit
By Gus Burns | [e-mail]
on January 30, 2014 at 6:32 PM, updated January 31, 2014 at 12:31 AM

DETROIT, MI -- The Detroit Police Department has taken action in recent years through gun-buyback events to remove guns, legal or not, from the streets of Detroit.

But first-year Police Chief James Craig takes a slightly different approach. He says in the hands of legal, law-abiding citizens, firearms "could be a deterrence to violent crime."

***snip***

Craig in previous interviews said he changed his mind on gun laws -- from a more conservative stance -- after he became the chief in Portland, Me., a place he called "one of the safest places in America," and one with a high number of concealed weapon permits.

"I say that because of my experience now in my fourth city, seeing good Americans, good Detroiters that have CCWs and what effect that has had on deterring violent crime," Craig said Thursday responding to Hines. "Given what I saw coming into the door her in Detroit, the fact that the city has been (touted) as one of the most violent cities in America... we still have incident after incident where individuals like elderly people get dragged out of their cars at gunpoint."
http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2014/01/police_chief_james_craig_more.html

[jimmy the one]

4. gun cause & gun effect

762: She had the right to defend herself! And she did. Some believe she shouldn't have that right. I believe more victims should exercise that right.

Explain something; in the tape, the ccw shooter lady says the guy said to her 'don't pull it, and he shot immediately'. (35 seconds into the tape).

.. Duh, somehow, the gunnut in the car knew she had a gun before he shot her, so he said 'don't pull it', which she obviously ignored & pulled it so he shot her. She escalated the sitch by either saying 'I have a gun' or 'go away or I'll pull my gun' or she started reaching for it.
.. this goes down as a bona fide dgu (defensive gun use), but it doesn't reflect the probable reason behind it, that she reached for her gun, perhaps precipitating the shootings.
AND, as with injuries sustained during a dgu where guns are pulled, the injuries tend to be more severe than when no gun is pulled.

762: She had the right to defend herself! And she did. Some believe she shouldn't have that right.

Who believes this? who believes people shouldn't have the right to defend themselves?
I think you're just pulling a talking point out of the 2nd amendment mythology, and conflating the 2nd amendment rkba with the self defense doctrine, when they are generally two separate concepts. Self defense doctrine existed for thousands of years prior to the 2ndA being written.

[sarisataka]

5. Nice victim blaming

if only she didn't have a gun everything would have been fine. Criminals never kill victims who cooperate

She had the right to defend herself! And she did. Some believe she shouldn't have that right.

Who believes this?

Paul Quander D.C. deputy mayor for public safety and justice

Mr. Quander thinks victimhood is preferable to self-defense. “The problem is, if you are armed, it escalates the situation,” Mr. Quander told residents. “It is much better, in my opinion, to be scared, to be frightened, and even if you have to be, to be injured, but to walk away and survive. You’ll heal, and you can replace whatever was taken away.”

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/mar/1/dcs-crime-solution-be-a-victim/
The horse's mouth:

[IronGate]

6. That's a pretty disgusting attitude and advice.

It's easy for him to say that, he does, after all, have bodyguards I'm sure.

[jimmy the one]

9. he said she said

sari: Nice victim blaming .... if only she didn't have a gun everything would have been fine.

How did you get to me 'victim blaming' from when I wrote this, +emph: .. this goes down as a bona fide dgu (defensive gun use), but it doesn't reflect the probable reason behind it, that she reached for her gun, perhaps precipitating the shootings.

Yes it was a bona fide dgu, and yes it appears that the perps realized she had a gun & that's what prompted them to shoot at her, it's right there in the tape, what she herself said.
She wasn't to blame for being accosted or for drawing her gun or for being shot at, but it seems likely that her drawing her gun prompted the shooting. She wasn't to blame, but she flipped a coin & it came up bloody red. It was her prerogative to pull her gun under the circumstances, but you can't argue successfully that her gun saved her life (even if she thinks so), since it could just as easily have escalated the actual situation.

Washington times: Mr. Quander thinks victimhood is preferable to self-defense.

I also think this a great leap into the rightwing abyss of rational thought, for I did not see where the deputy mayor Quander said that. Pls cite exactly where he does say it or imply it, when he said this: “The problem is, if you are armed, it escalates the situation,” Mr. Quander told residents. “It is much better, in my opinion, to be scared, to be frightened, and even if you have to be, to be injured, but to walk away and survive. You’ll heal, and you can replace whatever was taken away.”

His upshot is that being armed is an invitation to a more dangerous situation than if you are compliant in the face of a robbery, which is statistically & generally true - compliance results in less serious injury to the victims when there is injury (tho they also are more apt to be successfully robbed than armed resistors).
Quandor did not say that self defense was to be shunned, that's simply working from a false premise.
And this tripe comes from the rightwing sleazy news called the 'Washington times', once owned by sun myung moon (sp); the times paper conflates 'being unarmed' with shunning self defense, when that is not what quandor was saying.

Jenoch: Go back and read the story. She had the gun in her pocket. He shot her and then she returned fire. The gun was in her pocket with her hand on it when she was first shot.

Go back & listen to what she said; SHE said the perp told her 'don't pull it' and then he immediately started shooting, most likely because she started to 'pull it'.
What was written in the brief 2 paragraph blurb was gonzo journalism, & thus, how she herself related what occurred takes precedence over the brief story about it, at least in my book.

[sarisataka]

11. We never know the other result

but you can't argue successfully that her gun saved her life (even if she thinks so), since it could just as easily have escalated the actual situation

Nor can you conclusively say the criminal would not have shot her dead if she was unarmed and cooperated.

Victim blaming-

this goes down as a bona fide dgu (defensive gun use), but it doesn't reflect the probable reason behind it, that she reached for her gun, perhaps precipitating the shootings

First apology, I took your statement that this is a legitimate DGU as sarcasm, my bad

However your continuing statement is along the equivalent lines of "if the woman had not dressed provocatively the man may not have attempted to rape her". It was the criminal who initiated the situation, not the victim. The actual (not probably) reason for the DGU was a criminal stuck a gun in a woman's face to rob her. Had that not happened, none of the following would have occurred; therefore IMO the victim did not escalate the situation, nor does she bear one iota of blame for anything that happened.

As for Mr. Quander, I simply grabbed the first source. You can easily find the video, I provided a link, so to hear exactly what he said.
According to the FBI, armed resistance is better than compliance for a victim to escape unharmed. Unarmed resistance is worse. I can find the reference if you like but it has been posted previously.
As for his upshot- it is clear, he is advocating against any form of self defense. He does not qualify, nor to my knowledge has ever restated, his "advice"-

It is much better, in my opinion, to be scared, to be frightened, and even if you have to be, to be injured, but to walk away and survive. You’ll heal, and you can replace whatever was taken away.

emphasis mine

[Jenoch]

7. Go back and read the story.

She had the gun in her pocket. He shot her and then she returned fire. The gun was in her pocket with her hand on it when she was first shot.

[SevenSixtyTwo]

8. I understood

From the news video that the criminal had his gun pointed at her and what she meant by don't pull it was don't pull the trigger. Only after he started shooting her did she draw and fire back. She did good.

[jimmy the one]

10. she said I said he said

762: I understood From the news video that the criminal had his gun pointed at her and what she meant by don't pull it was don't pull the trigger. Only after he started shooting her did she draw and fire back. She did good.

I think you misunderstood what she said then; at ~second 38 in the tape, she says 'he said don't pull it'; tho the 'he' is somewhat garbled she couldn't have been saying 'she said don't pull it' while referring to herself, for she would've said 'I said don't pull it'.

Either way, your very own rebuttal above demonstrates that the perp likely realized she had a firearm.

[SevenSixtyTwo]

12. Ah! I stand corrected.

Although the results are the same. She was able to stop the threat. She's still alive to be grandma and the perp has time to think about why 2A is important to law abiding citizens. To defend ourselves from people like him.

[Jenoch]

13. Of course she had a firearm in her pocket.

Then the perp shot her. She drew her firearm and defended herself.

You need to concentrate on your posts, get to the point and leave the word salad on your desktop.