Gun Control & RKBA
Related: About this forumThe will of the people
When it comes to common-sense gun regulation, Washington and the American people are living on different planets.
Fully 92% of the voters surveyed in a new poll including 86% of registered Republicans support mandating background checks before gun purchases.
But Congress has stubbornly refused to extend this most basic precaution against gun violence to all firearms sales.
So the federal law that requires instant background checks in licensed gun stores continues to exempt gun shows and private deals, which account for an estimated 40% of all weapons sales.
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/people-article-1.1859526
blueridge3210
(1,401 posts)with her asinine "assault weapons ban" amendment this might have actually passed. But that would not serve to agitate the Democrat base as much as successful passage of legislation would have. What are your thoughts on Universal Background Checks w/o an amendment to ban "assault weapons"?
ileus
(15,396 posts)continues to exempt gun shows and private deals...
They meant to say exempts private deals. Doesn't matter where they occur; gunshows, yardsales, facebook, forum BST group, fleamarket, co-workers...the list is endless. Why do they still insist on blurring the truth about gun shows???
Has some bill in congress been proposed that would ban private sales?
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)well that's a lie as there is no exemption and I dare the anti-gun people to post a link to it.
The other side tried to attach too much other control shit into the legislation and it failed.
So, as a host that strictly enforces the SOP in your group, please respect the SOP here and comment on your daily google cut and paste drive by. It is the polite thing to do.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)That can explain the "discrepancy." And I don't blame Americans for being hung up on the horns of this dilemma. Just check the daily pronouncements of controller/banners on DU. They are the face of "common sense," and are likely to remain so in their rigid conservatism, reliance on personal slurs and culture war, and promulgation of a distorted narrative.
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)terminology need to cite a source. That figure has been repeated without citing a source so many times that most seem to brlieve it to be true.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)But with the exception of Biden, hardly anyone using the figure ever cautions that it may not be accurate, or, at the very least, that it was based on a survey of just a few hundred people in 1994, in which participants may have guessed whether they had acquired a gun that came from a licensed dealer. Instead, the number is quite often stated as fact when no one can say for certain.
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)and some report done in 1997 using the already outdated data. That's my point. Nobody is citing their 20 year old source. Even then, we don't know how accurate the data was.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)and other unpopular measures, then UBCs will be passed.
Reid needs to lock Feinstein in a closet every time gun legislation is introduced.
DonP
(6,185 posts)With "92% of Americans" agreeing with you, it should be no problem to sweep all the GOP and Dems from office that don't agree with you, right? A House and Senate with 100% gun control supporters. Any day now.
With Bloomberg's Billions of $ backing you, there's no way the puny and fading NRA can stand up to your righteous cause.
It must be pretty desperate when you swallow the crap that Bloomberg's minions shovel on your plate as if it were real.
But who you gonna' believe, Bloomberg or your lying eyes, that show gun control failing and gun ownership expanding?
It must be pretty desperate when you swallow the crap that NRA's minions shovel on your plate as if it were real.
But who you gonna' believe, NRA or your lying eyes, that show gun ownership shrinking and gun control expanding?
DonP
(6,185 posts)So Bloomberg is not backing gun control with $50 million plus this election cycle? More than the NRA has to spend?
He didn't outspend the NRA 6 to 1 in the Colorado recall and still lost his ass?
Boy, you are getting really pathetic with your Google dumps.
But you do remain a source of entertainment and ridicule and since your own forum seems dead to the DU universe, you might as well hang around the fringes here until our Host gets tired of your shenanigans. Besides, you have less than zero impact on the debate.
But cheer up, the violence you seem to think is inevitable, may tick up again some day, so you can point to it as proof about how scary gun owners are. For now though, with more concealed carry permits than ever, violence happily continues to fall.
SecularMotion
(7,981 posts)I'm sorry you find the news items I share here to be so upsetting.
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)By posting and running you do not have to discuss your posts, or defend your views.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)I am actually surprised he, she or it worked up the courage to actually respond.
blueridge3210
(1,401 posts)You don't put enough thought into your "Google Dumps" to upset anyone. They might qualify as "asinine", "childish", "grade school" level but they most certainly do not qualify for upsetting.
DonP
(6,185 posts)Most of it is abysmally stupid and poorly sourced from amateur blogs and the like.
Using other people's words and cutting and posting an old cartoon and whining about anyone that disagrees with you over and over is the peak of your discussion skills it seems.
I did hear of another group that you might be happier in. It's run by a very unpleasant person who has a hissy spit over any discussion he doesn't agree with. Whats was the name of it? I can't remember now, maybe someone else can direct you to happier climes.
Being a sad ammophobic flower, without penile extensions per your fellow gun control fan, must be hard in the current climate for gun control. It's a shame that 92% never seem to show up at the polls, ain't it?
Hell, you can't even get Dem Senators, including Harry Reid, to support your ideas.
Is that a smear on Democrats or is that how they pronounce "them" in Chicago?
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)You seem to be confused about whether you get to pass judgement on acceptable
posts here. Try this group instead, as it seems to be lacking in both number of posts
and posts from you in particular:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1262
blueridge3210
(1,401 posts)friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)blueridge3210
(1,401 posts)DonP
(6,185 posts)Not that anything I can think of would.
Go back to your own group, where no one will ever correct or disagree with your foolish cut & paste posts.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)you might be more happy in the echo chamber here if if you can not take any discussion. Seems to fit your beliefs that all most be drones without any individual thoughts. That is if you are not blocked as they so strickly enforce the SOP you seem to ignore in this group.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1262
IronGate
(2,186 posts)then you got nuthin.
IronGate
(2,186 posts)You seem to want to do nothing more than argue with members here instead of engage them honestly, I have to wonder what your motivation is.
Straw Man
(6,626 posts)Bloomberg's net worth is over 30 billion. The NRA comes in at just under 200 million: not even a quarter of a billion. The real question is how much of Bloomberg's money he is willing to flush down the toilet in attempting to sway the "will of the people."
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)Yet, pro-2A Democrats are hounded for supposedly working against the Democratic party.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)It takes a special kind of naive to think that's actually the case, and that the surveys purporting to show otherwise are not methodologically laughable.
flamin lib
(14,559 posts)So instead of making unsupported statements about methodology how about explaining what the flaws are?
spin
(17,493 posts)is based on surveys that ask gun owners if they own guns.
If a stranger supposedly conducting a survey calls me on a phone or shows up at my door and asks me if I own firearms, why should I be totally honest and admit that I do?
My daughter worked for the last census and told me that she had a hard time getting people to tell her how many people lived in their home. She mentioned that she was damn glad she didn't have to ask if they owned firearms. She said, "I have had more than enough doors slammed in my face."
Many people harbor a significant distrust of government. A high percentage of gun owners seriously believe that eventually the government will try to ban and confiscate firearms and would prefer that their names do not appear on any list of gun owners.
However I realize that those who advocate strong gun control need some positive news to increase morale as most efforts to impose strong gun control laws (with a few exceptions in some states) have failed miserably. The myth that gun ownership is decreasing fits that bill.