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Tue Jul 29, 2014, 06:40 AM

 

Ban all Guns!!

Gun owners are violent and need to be disarmed.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/09/13/2617131/largest-gun-study-guns-murder/

Largest Gun Study Ever: More Guns, More Murder

The largest study of gun violence in the United States, released Thursday afternoon, confirms a point that should be obvious: widespread American gun ownership is fueling America’s gun violence epidemic.

The study, by Professor Michael Siegel at Boston University and two coauthors, has been peer-reviewed and is forthcoming in the American Journal of Public Health. Siegel and his colleagues compiled data on firearm homicides from all 50 states from 1981-2010, the longest stretch of time ever studied in this fashion, and set about seeing whether they could find any relationship between changes in gun ownership and murder using guns over time.

Since we know that violent crime rates overall declined during that period of time, the authors used something called “fixed effect regression” to account for any national trend other than changes in gun ownership. They also employed the largest-ever number of statistical controls for other variables in this kind of gun study: “age, gender, race/ethnicity, urbanization, poverty, unemployment, income, education, income inequality, divorce rate, alcohol use, violent crime rate, nonviolent crime rate, hate crime rate, number of hunting licenses, age-adjusted nonfirearm homicide rate, incarceration rate,and suicide rate” were all accounted for.


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/gun-owners-america-director-kind-glad-lawmakers-feared-violence-members-article-1.1868425

Gun Owners of America director would be 'kind of glad' if lawmakers feared violence from his organization

WASHINGTON — This gun nut makes the NRA’s mouthpiece seem tame by comparison.

Larry Pratt, executive director of the group Gun Owners of America, was quoted Tuesday as saying he’s “kind of glad” if lawmakers fear violence from members of his organization.

The crack sparked outrage from Democrats and drew a rebuke from the husband of former Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.), whose promising political career was cut short when an assassin shot her in 2011.


http://www.futurity.org/shooting-deaths-states-gun-owners/

More shooting deaths in states with more gun owners

(snip)
Covering 30 years (1981-2010) in all 50 states, the report shows a “robust correlation” between estimated levels of gun ownership and actual gun homicides at the state level, even when controlling for factors typically associated with homicides. For each 1 percentage point increase in the prevalence of gun ownership, the state firearm homicide rate increases by 0.9 percent, the authors found.

“Understanding the relationship between the prevalence of gun ownership and therefore the availability of guns, and firearm-related mortality is critical to guiding decisions regarding recently proposed measures to address firearm violence,” the study authors say


http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/01/pro-gun-myths-fact-check

10 Pro-Gun Myths, Shot Down

Myth #2: Guns don't kill people—people kill people.
Fact-check: People with more guns tend to kill more people—with guns. The states with the highest gun ownership rates have a gun murder rate 114% higher than those with the lowest gun ownership rates. Also, gun death rates tend to be higher in states with higher rates of gun ownership. Gun death rates are generally lower in states with restrictions such as assault-weapons bans or safe-storage requirements. Update: A recent study looking at 30 years of homicide data in all 50 states found that for every one percent increase in a state's gun ownership rate, there is a nearly one percent increase in its firearm homicide rate.



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Reply Ban all Guns!! (Original post)
PowerToThePeople Jul 2014 OP
blueridge3210 Jul 2014 #1
Loudly Jul 2014 #2
appal_jack Jul 2014 #13
mwrguy Jul 2014 #28
Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #3
DonP Jul 2014 #4
blueridge3210 Jul 2014 #5
PowerToThePeople Jul 2014 #6
DonP Jul 2014 #10
discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2014 #14
DonP Jul 2014 #15
PowerToThePeople Jul 2014 #17
IronGate Jul 2014 #19
discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2014 #22
ileus Jul 2014 #45
samsingh Jul 2014 #32
DonP Jul 2014 #47
samsingh Jul 2014 #49
hack89 Jul 2014 #7
Glaug-Eldare Jul 2014 #31
samsingh Jul 2014 #34
Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #43
Glaug-Eldare Jul 2014 #48
samsingh Jul 2014 #33
hack89 Jul 2014 #37
samsingh Jul 2014 #39
hack89 Jul 2014 #41
samsingh Jul 2014 #50
hack89 Jul 2014 #55
samsingh Jul 2014 #57
hack89 Jul 2014 #58
yeoman6987 Jul 2014 #8
gejohnston Jul 2014 #24
samsingh Jul 2014 #40
samsingh Jul 2014 #35
Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #9
Lurks Often Jul 2014 #11
IronGate Jul 2014 #12
NYC_SKP Jul 2014 #16
IronGate Jul 2014 #18
NYC_SKP Jul 2014 #20
IronGate Jul 2014 #21
samsingh Jul 2014 #36
NYC_SKP Jul 2014 #38
samsingh Jul 2014 #51
beevul Jul 2014 #23
NaturalHigh Jul 2014 #25
IronGate Jul 2014 #26
NaturalHigh Jul 2014 #27
DonP Jul 2014 #29
NaturalHigh Jul 2014 #52
Name removed Jul 2014 #30
krispos42 Jul 2014 #42
spin Jul 2014 #53
ileus Jul 2014 #44
sarisataka Jul 2014 #46
ileus Jul 2014 #56
pablo_marmol Jul 2014 #54
NYC_SKP Jul 2014 #59
Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #60
NYC_SKP Jul 2014 #61
pablo_marmol Jul 2014 #65
discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2014 #62
NYC_SKP Jul 2014 #63
discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2014 #64
virginia mountainman Jul 2014 #66
Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #67
DonP Jul 2014 #69
badtoworse Jul 2014 #68
IronGate Jul 2014 #70

Response to PowerToThePeople (Original post)

Tue Jul 29, 2014, 06:47 AM

1. No. (nt)

 

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Response to PowerToThePeople (Original post)

Tue Jul 29, 2014, 06:54 AM

2. First, the pathological notion of a "right" in regard to guns needs to be dispensed with.

 

Being a popular misconception, it gets eagerly pandered to by both politicians and judges alike.

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Response to Loudly (Reply #2)

Tue Jul 29, 2014, 10:30 AM

13. Sure, wishing-away rights worked so well for B*sh & Cheney

 

Sure, wishing-away rights worked so well for B*sh & Cheney, why shouldn't gun-grabbers "Shares" the strategy...

-app

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Response to Loudly (Reply #2)

Tue Jul 29, 2014, 05:48 PM

28. Exactly

It's BS.

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Response to PowerToThePeople (Original post)

Tue Jul 29, 2014, 07:06 AM

3. I think not

 

so you will go around and help the governments confiscation force. Lets see how that works for you.

Did a lot of work in the cut and paste

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #3)

Tue Jul 29, 2014, 07:28 AM

4. All those "unbiased" sources too lol nt

 

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Response to DonP (Reply #4)

Tue Jul 29, 2014, 07:30 AM

5. Yup.

 

Business as usual. Yup.

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Response to DonP (Reply #4)

Tue Jul 29, 2014, 07:46 AM

6. I know

 

liberal news sources quoted on a liberal web site, omg!

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Response to PowerToThePeople (Reply #6)

Tue Jul 29, 2014, 09:00 AM

10. "Once upon a time ..."

 

... We had some guidelines in the Gungeon.

Nobody wasted our time by posting NRA or SAF "research" and nobody wasted our time posting Brady or MAIG "research", since both were highly prejudiced sources. For the most part we even eschew studies that aren't peer reviewed like the crap Hemenway spews for dollars.

That's why you find us primarily using CDC and FBI reports and studies in our discussions. I guess some people are incapable of finding unbiased sources to base their POV on. Oh well, not much loss there.

We'll be sure to give your studies from Mother Jones et. al. all the credibility they, and you, deserve.

Now excuse us while we all follow up on the new DC Carry laws and the forthcoming Peruta decision.

Ah, yes the tide is turning!

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Response to DonP (Reply #10)

Tue Jul 29, 2014, 11:04 AM

14. regarding sources

Seeking the facts on which to base opinions and decisions is the logical and scientific method. I often approach controversial issues by reading the ill founded propaganda from both sides to find the type(s) of scientific and statistical failures that are touted. This information is useful when reading other opinions based on 'supposed' research.

Those that have deep prejudices will cling to any type faulty data just to resist change and maintain some comfortable ways to qualify who the "bad guys" are.

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #14)

Tue Jul 29, 2014, 11:31 AM

15. Some people just want to stay at the "Bumper Sticker" level of thinking

 

Please don't confuse them with facts or actual data from an unbiased source.

Just leave them and their built in prejudices alone, so they can simply hate and demean something (and somebody) with a "clear conscience".

No different thinking than Climate Deniers, Fundies and racists from the '50's and '60's. People who "just know" from their "common sense" what's right for them, society and certainly for you and me too.

But on DU you're allowed to express those kind of sentiments if it's about guns and gun owners. On DU2 Skinner rode herd on it with his demand for civility, but here it's "slipped off the choke chain" it seems.

The more gun control, or should I say "gun safety", loses at the ballot box, in the legislatures and in the courts, the angrier, more desperate and spiteful they become.

Now we're hearing another round of "Blood in the Streets" about the new DC carry laws.

How many times have we heard that from the other side? 15, 20 at least, and it never, ever comes to pass, so they move the goal posts and conflate gang shootings with CCW people.

I'm past taking any of it personally most of the time and I can tune out most of it. The "You gun people want more dead babies" stuff still pisses me off, but for the most part I file them with the DU poster in GD who wanted drones to kill any gun owners that didn't turn in their guns to the government immediately after Sandy Hook.

I just sit back and focus on winning individual issues in local town halls and public forums when the opportunities arise. They sit back and post and wait for Bloomberg's next check.

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #14)

Tue Jul 29, 2014, 11:34 AM

17. RE: bad guys

 

It is easy to tell who the bad guys are.



















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Response to PowerToThePeople (Reply #17)

Tue Jul 29, 2014, 11:36 AM

19. Yeah, bad guys,

 

not law abiding gun owners.

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Response to PowerToThePeople (Reply #17)

Tue Jul 29, 2014, 12:01 PM

22. So you identify these folks in the pics...

...as the ones you're debating and discussing these issues with?

Really?

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Response to PowerToThePeople (Reply #17)

Tue Jul 29, 2014, 08:30 PM

45. 9 good reasons why I carry and continue to refuse to be a willing victim.

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Response to DonP (Reply #4)

Tue Jul 29, 2014, 06:25 PM

32. yes let's laugh at people getting killed ha ha ha and any fact

that doesn't fit the gun lovers view is biased

but wait, let's quote the nra, repugs, and gun lovers.

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Response to samsingh (Reply #32)

Tue Jul 29, 2014, 09:52 PM

47. No, let's celebrate abysmal ignorance instead

 

What's your excuse?

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Response to DonP (Reply #47)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 12:44 AM

49. how clever

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Response to PowerToThePeople (Original post)

Tue Jul 29, 2014, 08:09 AM

7. You realize your chart is skewed by suicides?

they make up two thirds of gun deaths and most of the states on the high end of the scale have high suicide rates.

Why not fix mental health care in America?

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Response to hack89 (Reply #7)

Tue Jul 29, 2014, 06:20 PM

31. Because that might actually address the problem.

It's like asking why hard-right politicians in Israel quietly supported Hamas against Fatah -- violence suits their political agenda more than peace ever will.

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Response to Glaug-Eldare (Reply #31)

Tue Jul 29, 2014, 06:28 PM

34. yes, let's fix mental problems, so easy - last i checked the repugs have problems

with Obamacare, how do you propose to mandate healthcare for the mentally ill? and those that refused? Would you force them to take drugs anyway? What about the right to freedom?

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Response to samsingh (Reply #34)

Tue Jul 29, 2014, 08:23 PM

43. GOP intransigience, mandates, ovecoming refusals, compulsory requirements and loss of freedom

never stopped the gun grabbers? Why aren't you posing these same, supposedly principled arguments to the OP?

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Response to samsingh (Reply #34)

Tue Jul 29, 2014, 11:38 PM

48. It's not easy, but it doesn't appear to be anybody's priority.

Obamacare has done a lot, but the resources are still very limited. I'd suggest targeted grants to encourage more students to study psychiatry, psychology, addiction medicine, etc., exceptionally strong privacy protections for those receiving mental health care, and a PR effort to publicize mental health and addiction treatment benefits available through Medicaid and Medicare as well as insurance. At the moment, the demand for treatment is much higher than the supply. When we've made progress on that, then I'll start worrying about steering reluctant people towards help.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #7)

Tue Jul 29, 2014, 06:26 PM

33. a suicide with a gun is a gun death - by definition

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Response to samsingh (Reply #33)

Tue Jul 29, 2014, 06:36 PM

37. No law will stop gun suicides

Short of a total ban.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #37)

Tue Jul 29, 2014, 06:51 PM

39. it could make it harder for people to find one during the time

that someone wants to kills themselves. Stabbing oneself with a knife or some other means may not be as easy as pulling a trigger.

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Response to samsingh (Reply #39)

Tue Jul 29, 2014, 06:55 PM

41. What would make it harder? A ban? nt

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Response to hack89 (Reply #41)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 12:47 AM

50. fewer guns. less gun culture

respect for guns actually. they are not accessories

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Response to samsingh (Reply #50)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 04:58 AM

55. So how do we have fewer guns?

Is this just a heartfelt desire or do you actually have some ideas on how to achieve it?

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Response to hack89 (Reply #55)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 08:25 AM

57. there have been so many proposals

everyone gets shot down by the nra and gun supporters.

- more thorough background checks
- no stand your ground laws to support sanctioned murder
- more controls over sales
- liability for stupid storage of guns when they are used for a crime


there are so many ideas proposed - everyone, like the ones above, will be refuted that they don't work. Yet other countries don't have the same level of gun violence we do.

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Response to samsingh (Reply #57)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 08:29 AM

58. I thought we were talking about gun suicides

which is the biggest problem because it accounts for two thirds of all gun deaths. The demographic for gun suicide (white middle aged men) makes it very unlikely that anything on your list will reduce suicide deaths.

Btw - SYG is not sanctioned murder. It has been law in many states for decades. It is not a huge problem.

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Response to PowerToThePeople (Original post)

Tue Jul 29, 2014, 08:45 AM

8. Wyoming has the most and not a peep about weekend murders occuring

 

as compared to Illinois who has 20 percent ownership and has a weekly killing spree. There is something wrong with folks getting killed but not sure that gun ownership is really the root of the problem or Wyoming would be having huge problems.

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Response to yeoman6987 (Reply #8)

Tue Jul 29, 2014, 01:49 PM

24. Wyoming problem is

some people who come to work in the oil field and coal mines can't handle the constant wind, high altitude, snow, vast areas of wilderness, no big cities, etc. Hence, the suicide rate.
Then there are us sagebrush hugging wild horse lovers that grew up here.

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #24)

Tue Jul 29, 2014, 06:51 PM

40. horses are beautiful majestic creatures

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Response to yeoman6987 (Reply #8)

Tue Jul 29, 2014, 06:28 PM

35. i think that's new reporting issue

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Response to PowerToThePeople (Original post)

Tue Jul 29, 2014, 08:57 AM

9. How do you plan on doing that without employing lots of guns?

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Response to PowerToThePeople (Original post)

Tue Jul 29, 2014, 09:17 AM

11. So what are you doing every day to make that gun ban happen?

 

I mean aside from posting misleading at best or outright lies at worst on the internet?

Will you be volunteering for the gun confiscation squads yourself?

Get back to me when you have the 2/3rds of Congress and 3/4 of the states for getting the 2nd Amendment changed or removed.

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Response to PowerToThePeople (Original post)

Tue Jul 29, 2014, 10:11 AM

12. This is crap and needs to be locked.

 

Krispos42, this OP is broad brushing all gun owners as violent, of which there are many on DU who are gun owners.
My opinion? Lock it.

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Response to PowerToThePeople (Original post)

Tue Jul 29, 2014, 11:32 AM

16. ~~~~This has got to be the most ignorant and bigoted post I've read on this site, here's why:

 

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Gun owners are violent and need to be disarmed.


Such a statement is instantly an insult and evidence not of progressive or enlightened thinking, but quite the opposite.

It is narrow-minded, broadbrushing, absurd in every way.

It is certainly NOT representative in any way of intelligent progressive thought.

I'm embarrassed for you and others who could even think such things, much less post them.

Wow.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #16)

Tue Jul 29, 2014, 11:35 AM

18. IMO, this OP should be blocked from this group,

 

he's broad brushing all gun owners, of which there are plenty here on DU alone, and millions of Dems are gun owners.
But, that's up to Krispos42.

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Response to IronGate (Reply #18)

Tue Jul 29, 2014, 11:49 AM

20. Posters like this make our case stronger.

 

They expose the very ugly underbelly of their movement and make us look brilliant and articulate by contrast.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #20)

Tue Jul 29, 2014, 11:59 AM

21. Yeah, there is that. nt

 

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #20)

Tue Jul 29, 2014, 06:29 PM

36. i don't think they make gun lovers look brilliant or articulate

and I see plenty of insults to the gun control movement all the time.

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Response to samsingh (Reply #36)

Tue Jul 29, 2014, 06:50 PM

38. I recommend that you don't confuse Pro-2A DU members with other gun fans on the Internet.

 

We are not like many of them, on DU you'll see insults come at us far more often than from us.

On other sites, not so much, poo is flung in both directions, and I avoid those sites.

Sites I don't avoid include The Liberal Gun Club: http://www.theliberalgunclub.com/

Progressive Gun Owners: http://www.progressiveguns.org/

American Gun Culture Report: http://www.americangunculturereport.com/

Liberals Gun Corner: http://www.liberalsguncorner.com/

Liberals With Guns: http://www.liberalswithguns.com/

Shoot from the Left Hip: http://shootfromthelefthip.com/

Blue Steel Democrats: http://bluesteeldemocrats.blogspot.com/

Pink Pistols: http://www.pinkpistols.org/









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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #38)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 12:49 AM

51. you have a good point - my intent is not to insult gun supporters

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Response to PowerToThePeople (Original post)

Tue Jul 29, 2014, 01:44 PM

23. Heh.

 

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Response to PowerToThePeople (Original post)

Tue Jul 29, 2014, 05:37 PM

25. "Gun owners are violent and need to be disarmed."

This is insulting and slanderous. Practically everyone in m family owns some sort of gun, and none of us has ever been violent toward anybody.

It is beyond disgusting that you refuse to recognize that people have the right to use a firearm to protect themselves in their own homes. If a bad guy breaks into my house, there is absolutely no reason I shouldn't be able to keep my family safe.

Was this OP serious, or are you going to these ridiculous extremes in an attempt at humorous satire?

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Response to NaturalHigh (Reply #25)

Tue Jul 29, 2014, 05:42 PM

26. Oh no, this OP is serious as evidenced by his constant

 

harping of BAN ALL GUNS meme throughout DU.

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Response to IronGate (Reply #26)

Tue Jul 29, 2014, 05:46 PM

27. He should be banned from this group.

Obviously he is just having some fun posting flame bait. There is another group where he can fantasize about gun grabs to his heart's content.

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Response to NaturalHigh (Reply #27)

Tue Jul 29, 2014, 06:02 PM

29. Already had his hand slapped by Skinner at least once so far.

 

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Response to DonP (Reply #29)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 01:19 AM

52. Good. I saw that post and almost alerted myself.

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Response to PowerToThePeople (Original post)

Tue Jul 29, 2014, 08:05 PM

42. So, once again the obvious is proven

The more common a thing is, the more it will be used. This might explain the lack of snowmobile-related deaths in Florida.


I'd love to see a study where the gun-murder rate is compared to the gun-ownership rate. But I don't get that. I get study after study which pretty much completely ignores every single crime NOT committed with a gun.

I'd also love a study of crime rates compared to, say, high-school graduation rates, drug arrests, % of people with 2-years or more of higher education, etc.

Not this. "States with more people have more deaths!" "States with more cars have more car-related deaths!" "States with more tornadoes have more tornado-related deaths!"

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Response to krispos42 (Reply #42)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 02:04 AM

53. States with a lot of thunderstorms have a lot of lightning deaths. ...

Forida does not have many snowmobile-related deaths but it does have a lot of lightning deaths.

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Response to PowerToThePeople (Original post)

Tue Jul 29, 2014, 08:24 PM

44. not only that but guns kill people...

On the other hand I did have a hell of a bad evening at the range. Didn't matter what I was shooting always....ALWAYS....High and to the Left.

M&P pro 9mm

Sig P220

M&P Shield 9mm


Don't know what was going on...after about 150 rounds I called it quits. Now to reload those and practice some dry fire exercises before next Tuesdays meeting.

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Response to ileus (Reply #44)

Tue Jul 29, 2014, 09:37 PM

46. It depends which hand you use

If right handed you are pushing, left heeling. Both are from anticipating recoil.

Also make sure you have a clean follow through as that can magnify any error.

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #46)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 06:14 AM

56. It just popped up...not sure from where or how.

I almost always shoot a little bit left 3-5" from 10-15 yards.


I think one of my biggest lifetime problems when it comes to accuracy is the fact I'm left handed and shoot right handed. But I shoot my bow left handed...go figure.

It also appears that I can shoot my supers 10mm g20 better than any of my pistols.

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Response to PowerToThePeople (Original post)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 02:14 AM

54. Your pandemic of propaganda won't convince persons with integrity

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Response to pablo_marmol (Reply #54)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 03:47 PM

59. The data suggests that gun violence is falling as the number of guns in circulation is growing.

 

That's an exploding-head kind of statistic.

And that more people think that the opposite is true is not surprising.

Context

The number of firearms available for sale to or possessed by U.S. civilians (about 310 million in 2009, according to the Congressional Research Service) has grown in recent years, and the 2009 per capita rate of one person per gun had roughly doubled since 1968. It is not clear, though, how many U.S. households own guns or whether that share has changed over time.




Great post, it should be its own OP.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #59)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 04:08 PM

60. This, I think, explains the daily google dump

It doesn't matter what the facts are, if the grabbers (does the thread title now permit us to call them "grabbers"?) can create the impression things are worse they can move the ball even as they move the goalposts.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #60)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 04:30 PM

61. Thankfully, it's not working. But we can't let up on them, they're tenacious.

 

I refuse to let bad data and propaganda float around unchallenged.

There is actually quite a bit at stake.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #60)

Thu Jul 31, 2014, 01:15 AM

65. Precisely, NU.


The spammers are following the lead of the media in creating the false impression that gun violence is ever-increasing.

And based on the fact that such a large percentage of the citizenry is blind of the facts, the strategy has clearly been a winning one.
Which is why I've decided to fight fire with fire my last few (identical) posts.

I was warned by private message that this behavior could get me banned. I wonder if the person who warned me cares about the fact that certain members spam the board with news of gun violence sans comment?

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Response to PowerToThePeople (Original post)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 08:07 PM

62. Re: "People with more guns tend to kill more people—with guns."

Isn't that like saying people with hammers tend to hammer more nails?

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #62)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 10:06 PM

63. I can see it now, the next Bloomberg production: a darkened garage, a woman and child....

 

...they're probably white but we can't see the man, but it's a man in the shadows....

Country music plays in the background...

So predictable.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #63)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 10:31 PM

64. you nailed it



Sorry, couldn't resist.

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Response to PowerToThePeople (Original post)

Thu Jul 31, 2014, 01:58 AM

66. I find it amusing..

That a user with the handle "power to the people" would take such a totalitarian stance..

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Response to virginia mountainman (Reply #66)

Thu Jul 31, 2014, 05:53 AM

67. it is ironic

 

I guess only the power he would graciously grant

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Response to virginia mountainman (Reply #66)

Thu Jul 31, 2014, 09:03 AM

69. Methinks the OP increasingly smacks a bit of another "dear departed poster"

 

Maybe it's just me?

The same Over The Top flame bait statements and posts.

The same condescension in multiple forums.

The only thing missing is the slavish devotion to licking Bloomberg;'s boots at every opportunity.

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Response to PowerToThePeople (Original post)

Thu Jul 31, 2014, 08:38 AM

68. Keep posting this drivel. The NRA loves you for it.

 

Helps keep the checks coming in!

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Response to badtoworse (Reply #68)

Thu Jul 31, 2014, 09:12 AM

70. He just doesn't get it.

 

His words are exactly why gun control groups are constantly thwarted in their efforts to enact new laws.
The NRA and other gun rights group should be thanking people like this OP for their help.

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