Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 01:19 PM Sep 2014

7 ways children can have fun at the shooting range - the NRA goes full nutters

http://www.womensoutdoornews.com/2014/08/7-ways-children-can-fun-shooting-range/

Suggestions include cut outs animals and exploding targets.

Nothing like an exploding Barbie doll to keep up the interest of the little bored 7 year old tykes.

Watch out for the dead instructor with an Uzi bullet in his head, not much fun up in that.

......................

Posted by: Mia Anstine , August 20, 2014

"When children begin shooting, traditional bull’s-eye targets are perfect for working on safety skills. They’re also good for zeroing your rifle before hunting or competitions. However, if children continually shoot the same bull’s-eye target, they can become tired, exhausted or bored. As the boredom sets in, the effort that goes into shooting can deteriorate. In our case we have youth competitors, i.e. LG and friends, who train on a regular basis. Sometimes they want, or rather need, to have fun at the range. That’s when it’s time to introduce other types of targets to change things up, so children have fun at the range.

7 ways children can have fun at the shooting range include:".........

________________________________________________________________________________


52 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
7 ways children can have fun at the shooting range - the NRA goes full nutters (Original Post) Fred Sanders Sep 2014 OP
My children were all competition shooting by age 7. IronGate Sep 2014 #1
My children were all national science scholars at age 7. So what is the point? Fred Sanders Sep 2014 #2
What's your point? IronGate Sep 2014 #5
Dear NRA member.... Fred Sanders Sep 2014 #19
Except I'm not a member of the NRA. IronGate Sep 2014 #35
I prefer the Liberal Gun Club, thank you. nt Eleanors38 Sep 2014 #40
Did you actually read the article? blueridge3210 Sep 2014 #3
Yes, look what else I read in the article: Fred Sanders Sep 2014 #7
So, in other words blueridge3210 Sep 2014 #9
Tannerite has been around a long time. beevul Sep 2014 #10
Still don't see 'Barbie,' only regulated game animals... Eleanors38 Sep 2014 #42
Children enjoy finding the kill zone on an animals body...... Fred Sanders Sep 2014 #4
OK, aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand? nt. IronGate Sep 2014 #6
Would you prefer they didn't know, and animals suffer... beevul Sep 2014 #8
When you're talking about kids and "kill zones"... 4b5f940728b232b034e4 Sep 2014 #11
"Graduate to People"? blueridge3210 Sep 2014 #13
People are animals with the exact same kill zones....I think that is true. Fred Sanders Sep 2014 #15
And your point is? blueridge3210 Sep 2014 #20
so you are for the animals suffering Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #16
Not to worry, an Uzi, even in the hands of a 9 year old, kills animals instantly by mass force. Easy Fred Sanders Sep 2014 #17
An Uzi would be a terrible choice for hunting wild game. blueridge3210 Sep 2014 #21
Or for firing in automatic mode at a firing range while your "responsible" parents video tape their Fred Sanders Sep 2014 #22
And has anyone posted that this activity was a good idea? blueridge3210 Sep 2014 #24
who said it was a good thing to fire that type of weapon Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #27
would have been much safer Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #30
Hey Fred discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2014 #32
so you know nothing about weapons, we know Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #23
Culture warriors tend to take a casual approach to factual accuracy friendly_iconoclast Sep 2014 #33
Exactly correct. beevul Sep 2014 #38
Out of the millions of kids who learned the very thing gejohnston Sep 2014 #26
My father was a hunter Kalidurga Sep 2014 #34
Hmmm. IronGate Sep 2014 #36
Other than "pot leads to heroin," what other W.O.D. metaphors have you? Eleanors38 Sep 2014 #43
My daughter is learning sarisataka Sep 2014 #12
Your cartoon is broken. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #14
I started shooting around 8 or 9 Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #18
Takes all kinds. Some 8 or 9 year olds are at math or soccer camp or tossing ball with their Dads. Fred Sanders Sep 2014 #25
Which are not mutually exclusive gejohnston Sep 2014 #28
yep, that is the great thing about the USA Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #29
Certain commenters seem bent on proving an old slur to be true: friendly_iconoclast Sep 2014 #31
And it's not just either-or... Eleanors38 Sep 2014 #44
Yep, IronGate Sep 2014 #37
My kids are happy just knocking down plates at the range. ileus Sep 2014 #39
My grand kids love the plates, spinners and the "roll around" .22 targets DonP Sep 2014 #41
Of course many adults love things that explode and make loud noises just like juveniles do. Fred Sanders Sep 2014 #45
Do you actually read what you post? blueridge3210 Sep 2014 #46
Wait did you just suggest fireworks as a safer alternative to target shooting? clffrdjk Sep 2014 #47
Post removed Post removed Sep 2014 #48
Fireworks are dangerous. ileus Sep 2014 #50
Speaking of 22....I actually found 22 in stock and at normal prices this weekend. ileus Sep 2014 #49
22 seems to be coming back Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #51
I see it in stock, but still at stupid prices mostly. ileus Sep 2014 #52
 

IronGate

(2,186 posts)
1. My children were all competition shooting by age 7.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 01:22 PM
Sep 2014

All were expert marksman by age 8, no problems in later life.
So, other than some idiot giving a 9 year old girl a full auto Uzi, what's the problem?

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
19. Dear NRA member....
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 01:50 PM
Sep 2014

Dear NRA-member:

Please stop funding this vile organization's political efforts with your membership fees. Your cooperation in this matter is greatly appreciated.

Thank you,

America's responsible parents

 

blueridge3210

(1,401 posts)
3. Did you actually read the article?
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 01:24 PM
Sep 2014

No "exploding Barbie dolls". Sorry, fail again. Maybe you should post at GCRA; they seem to have a less discriminating palate. Less activity as well, however.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
7. Yes, look what else I read in the article:
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 01:26 PM
Sep 2014

Exploding targets

These are on the top of the “fun” list. The resounding “BOOM” and puff of smoke is fun to see, hear and … smell. We shot some with a couple of LG’s teammates and had a BLAST.

Before we used Tannerite’s starter kit ($34.99), we consulted Tannerite directly, as well as explosives experts. We strictly adhered to the instructions to ensure the safest environment for the kids. We had a total of 5 adults supervising 3 children, and everyone had a great time. – you could tell from the huge smiles on everyone’s faces According to the kids, these were the “best of the best” at the range.

 

blueridge3210

(1,401 posts)
9. So, in other words
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 01:32 PM
Sep 2014

Children/Youth having a good time shooting a variety of targets under close, competent adult supervision equals "exploding Barbie dolls"? Perhaps, if one wishes to engage in an honest discussion of firearms, one would do better to avoid making up falsehoods out of whole cloth?

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
10. Tannerite has been around a long time.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 01:37 PM
Sep 2014

Every couple years or s, someone makes a big deal about it as if its unheard of.

It isn't.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
42. Still don't see 'Barbie,' only regulated game animals...
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 10:46 AM
Sep 2014

as silhouette targets. As the source you use said: Rabbit, squirrel and deer. ALL these animals are regulated game animals, not kitties & puppies. If one wishes to hunt, knowing the kill-zone is a good thing so the animal can be recovered for the dinner table. This is good practice.

You are about culture war, which inevitably involves fearful rhetoric concerning the corruption of youth, etc., etc. I'm glad these kids have more creative targets than old oil drums, tin cans and spent shotgun shells.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
4. Children enjoy finding the kill zone on an animals body......
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 01:25 PM
Sep 2014

Animal shaped targets

These targets are fun to shoot while sighting in for hunting season. They also come in handy in showing new shooters where the kill-zone is on an animal. Targets with images of all sorts of species are offered by Birchwood Casey ($12.70). LG and friends shot paper rabbit, squirrel and deer targets at a recent competition.

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
8. Would you prefer they didn't know, and animals suffer...
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 01:28 PM
Sep 2014

Would you prefer they didn't know, and animals suffer when they hunt due to not being cleanly killed?

Or are you anti-hunting too?

 
11. When you're talking about kids and "kill zones"...
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 01:39 PM
Sep 2014

It shows just how insane you people are. Thinking it is a good idea to teach a child to murder is stunningly a bad idea. What happens when they graduate to people?

 

blueridge3210

(1,401 posts)
13. "Graduate to People"?
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 01:43 PM
Sep 2014

How often, if ever, does this happen? When hunting wild game it is ethical to try to make a clean shot in the "kill zone" in order to prevent the animal from suffering a lingering death. This is just basic wildlife management.

 

blueridge3210

(1,401 posts)
20. And your point is?
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 01:50 PM
Sep 2014

If forced to use a firearm in self-defense it is most effective to shoot center mass in order to stop the threat. Or do you want the intended victims of forcible felonies to be unable to effectively defend themselves?

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
16. so you are for the animals suffering
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 01:45 PM
Sep 2014

Most people who hunt start gun safety early and use age appropriate weapons. It is just good hunting to know how to shoot an animal so it will not suffer.

 

blueridge3210

(1,401 posts)
21. An Uzi would be a terrible choice for hunting wild game.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 01:51 PM
Sep 2014

You may want to do some actual "research" on this issue. Just sayin'.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
22. Or for firing in automatic mode at a firing range while your "responsible" parents video tape their
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 01:53 PM
Sep 2014

own criminal negligence causing death crime, and the lifetime traumatization of their little 9 year old pumpkin?

 

blueridge3210

(1,401 posts)
24. And has anyone posted that this activity was a good idea?
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 01:55 PM
Sep 2014

No, I don't think so. Nice non-sequitur. Care to actually discuss the article you posted?

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,479 posts)
32. Hey Fred
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 02:14 PM
Sep 2014

There's nothing responsible about that decision. Any safety critical decisions made without a careful assessment of all possible consequences and all possible coincident problems is highly irresponsible.


But were them parents keepin' their video tapes in a clip?

As you were...

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
23. so you know nothing about weapons, we know
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 01:55 PM
Sep 2014

not one person I have seen has said giving a 9 year old a fully automatic Uzi was a good thing. If you find one let us all know because all of us on this board seem to be in agreement on that.

Next an Uzi fire a 9MM round, not really big enough for hunting. A fully automatic Uzi is very hard to control and not very accurate so most rounds fired will miss. That does not even take into effect the shortness of the barrel. It is only good at one thing, carry concealed and firing in close quarters.

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
33. Culture warriors tend to take a casual approach to factual accuracy
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 02:15 PM
Sep 2014

They go more for emotional effect, which is why they can be defeated by those
who keep their cool...

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
38. Exactly correct.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 09:22 PM
Sep 2014

Their relationship to truth and objective fact can be accurately categorized as being on the casual acquaintance level.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
26. Out of the millions of kids who learned the very thing
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 01:55 PM
Sep 2014

from state game departments safely class (required to get your first hunting license in most if not all states. Probably required in other countries as well.) How many graduate to humans? almost zero. Almost all (99.9 percent) go right to people and couldn't tell the difference between a deer and an elk. They know where their food comes from.

In Canada, a 12 year old can buy rifle or shotgun ammunition and go hunting or target shooting (generally, unless a condition is placed on it) without adult supervision with a minors permit. In some cases, a kid can get one as young as nine (usually substance hunters).
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/minor-mineur-eng.htm

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
43. Other than "pot leads to heroin," what other W.O.D. metaphors have you?
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 11:02 AM
Sep 2014

All hunting instruction materials I know of show kill-zones. And these SHOULD be shown so that game recovery is improved.

A teen should be shown how to drive safely; staying within the lines, turning, parking, etc. That can't prevent the rare F.U. "graduate" from intentionally jumping a curve and plowing down pedestrians, perverting the safety skills he/she has learned.

This "you people" is not insane. Junk your droll culture/prohibition war.

sarisataka

(18,633 posts)
12. My daughter is learning
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 01:40 PM
Sep 2014

The vital areas on animals in order to make clean kills. It is important to learn the ethics of hunting- avoid an unnecessary suffering to the animal, pass on the shot unless you are sure of a clean hit...

The big difference is that she is an archer.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
14. Your cartoon is broken.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 01:44 PM
Sep 2014

Here, I'll fix it.

If anything helps sell more guns, it's the shortsighted, emotion-based, senseless types who call for immediate action, AWBs and limitations on hardware.

Not surprisingly, in reasonable anticipation of such new stupid restrictions, many go out and buy what they can while they can.

Does the NRA push this? I don't know but I do know that if idiot legislators would be more thoughtful, then there'd be nothing to push.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
18. I started shooting around 8 or 9
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 01:49 PM
Sep 2014

I find target shooting can be a very fun and challenging sport.

From another post, quite amazing

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
29. yep, that is the great thing about the USA
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 01:57 PM
Sep 2014

we allow choice, you do not seem to want to allow others their choice.

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
31. Certain commenters seem bent on proving an old slur to be true:
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 02:13 PM
Sep 2014

"A liberal is someone who will defend to the death your right to agree with them"

Fortunately, most of us here are progressives and not Third Wayers...

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
44. And it's not just either-or...
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 11:10 AM
Sep 2014

What are the odds the girl in the video is pretty damned good with other arts & sciences? I know what the safe bet is.

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
41. My grand kids love the plates, spinners and the "roll around" .22 targets
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 10:41 AM
Sep 2014

The hard rubber cubes, balls and such that bounce and roll when they're hit are cheap and last forever. I've had adults ask if they can shoot them too.

Between those and the Zombie animal "Shoot and C" targets it keeps it interesting for them. Reactive targets make a difference for kids and a lot of adults too.

Using the Ruger Bearcat and the single shot Savage bolt action "Brave" is fun for them and keeps ammo consumption down too.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
45. Of course many adults love things that explode and make loud noises just like juveniles do.
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 01:23 PM
Sep 2014

Buy them some fireworks. No chance of shooting someone like your firearms instructor dead in the head in an activity with no redeeming value I can see.

Burger and bullets, kids, get on your camo suit! Bring Fluffy for the fun time shooting party...

 

blueridge3210

(1,401 posts)
46. Do you actually read what you post?
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 01:44 PM
Sep 2014

No one has been injured while setting off fireworks? Is that your argument? Again with the fail.

 

clffrdjk

(905 posts)
47. Wait did you just suggest fireworks as a safer alternative to target shooting?
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 01:50 PM
Sep 2014
activity with no redeeming value I can see.

That is a personal problem that you will have to eventually get over.

Burger and bullets, kids, get on your camo suit! Bring Fluffy for the fun time shooting party...
hell yea when and where?

Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #45)

ileus

(15,396 posts)
49. Speaking of 22....I actually found 22 in stock and at normal prices this weekend.
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 08:21 PM
Sep 2014

I did hit the range with my new CZ over the weekend. Arrrrrrh!

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
51. 22 seems to be coming back
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 09:10 PM
Sep 2014

I have received several alerts of it being in stock


Fireworks are safe

Latest Discussions»Issue Forums»Gun Control & RKBA»7 ways children can have ...