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discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,479 posts)
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 11:37 AM Sep 2014

Is this responsible or too extreme?

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20140903_In_Point_Breeze__a_protest_over_play_guns_gets_quick_results.html

WHEN SEAN Williams noticed three school-age boys playing with what looked an awful lot like large-caliber semiautomatic handguns Saturday in Point Breeze, he pulled out his cellphone and started filming.

"Where did you get that jawn from?" Williams asked the youngsters.

The boys turned and pointed at Point Save Super Market, a corner store on Point Breeze Avenue at Latona Street. "What are you going to do?" one of them asked nervously.

Williams responded: "You're cool, young'un. It ain't about you."

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"If you take the orange top off or you put tape around it to make it look real, you're cool," Moore pointed out. "They idolize things like that."

When I stopped by the market yesterday, the store's owner, who identified himself only as Alejandro, told me he was no longer selling the guns.

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Is this responsible or too extreme? (Original Post) discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2014 OP
A community taking safety into it's own hands, I find it acceptable behavior. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #1
I like the community working with the store owner discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2014 #4
A bit extreme for my tastes. clffrdjk Sep 2014 #2
It seems extreme to me also but... discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2014 #5
If I had a child I would not let them play with airsoft guns. clffrdjk Sep 2014 #7
I presume that Philly outlawed these toys to... discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2014 #8
Well yea, if the police admit that they did something wrong clffrdjk Sep 2014 #9
I'd be more worried about cops gunning down children in a lethal rush to judgment. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2014 #3
Agreed n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2014 #6
I come down on the side of a community taking action. Eleanors38 Sep 2014 #10
In Philly... discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2014 #11
It is a bit silly, and may hug the line of constitutionality, Eleanors38 Sep 2014 #12
Silly maybe discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2014 #13
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
1. A community taking safety into it's own hands, I find it acceptable behavior.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 11:45 AM
Sep 2014

Sure, one might say that the solution is to watch your kids, put it on the parents, or watch your cops, they should look more closely before shooting a kid with a toy gun.

But, in the end, I like that these folks found a direct-action local legal way to address this problem.

I wouldn't ban realistic toy guns nationally, but I don't mind that a neighborhood took local action.

I'd like to see similar action taken against sales of cigarettes, shit food, and alcoholic beverages (which happen to be the mainstay of local retailers in the poorest neighborhoods).

Good for them!

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,479 posts)
5. It seems extreme to me also but...
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 01:17 PM
Sep 2014

...from a parental perspective, I'm not sure that I wouldn't do the same thing.

 

clffrdjk

(905 posts)
7. If I had a child I would not let them play with airsoft guns.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 01:33 PM
Sep 2014

But the only reason for that is fear of the police.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,479 posts)
8. I presume that Philly outlawed these toys to...
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 01:46 PM
Sep 2014

...eliminate confusion by LEOs.

Hypothetically, my kid has an airsoft gun.
The city responds to events where a cop shoots a teen out of confusion due to a realistic looking toy gun.
The city's solution is to outlaw the sale of those toys and make criminals of those that have them in order to keep those kids safe.

 

clffrdjk

(905 posts)
9. Well yea, if the police admit that they did something wrong
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 01:49 PM
Sep 2014

They might actually have to make some changes. And we can't have that.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
10. I come down on the side of a community taking action.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 12:33 PM
Sep 2014

If police have a propensity to shoot at people with toy guns, and there is a violent crime problem, kids might be better off by not using toy weapons. I do hope that responsible citizens can avail themselves of the real thing if they find it necessary for SD.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,479 posts)
11. In Philly...
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 03:54 PM
Sep 2014
http://www.phila.gov/philacode/html/_data/title10/chapter_10_800_safety/10_810_weapons_and_dangerous_d.html

No person shall sell, offer for sale at retail, or use, or possess with intent to use, any air gun, spring gun, or any implement not a firearm which forcefully impels a pellet of any kind.


...firearms may be sold but airsoft may not.
 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
12. It is a bit silly, and may hug the line of constitutionality,
Fri Sep 5, 2014, 07:27 AM
Sep 2014

but the ordinances seem legal. Funny, the police may not be the only ones guilty if stereotype and profiling.

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