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VScott

(774 posts)
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 01:22 PM Nov 2014

California Loses Bid to Revisit Ruling Striking Gun Rules

YES!!!



California Attorney General Kamala Harris and a police group lost a bid to join a lawsuit over local rules for determining who can carry a concealed weapon, as a federal appeals court left in place a decision that San Diego County’s gun permit rule violated the right to bear arms.

The decision by the court not to review the matter is a victory for freelance videographer Edward Peruta, who sued after his application to carry a concealed Colt 1911 .45 caliber pistol was denied by the San Diego sheriff.

A three-judge panel of the San Francisco appeals court in February ruled the county’s requirement that gun owners show a pressing need, such as a specific threat, in order to obtain a license to carry a concealed weapon was unconstitutional.


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-11-12/california-loses-bid-to-revisit-ruling-striking-gun-rules.html
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California Loses Bid to Revisit Ruling Striking Gun Rules (Original Post) VScott Nov 2014 OP
This guy agrees as well: notrightatall Nov 2014 #1
I'm sure there's another forum for your family albums DonP Nov 2014 #2
No, this IS THE forum for this lovely pic. notrightatall Nov 2014 #5
Cool! VScott Nov 2014 #3
Me too, I love What Washington state just did!! notrightatall Nov 2014 #9
That's okay too. VScott Nov 2014 #14
Is this a "home run"? notrightatall Nov 2014 #16
Error VScott Nov 2014 #21
Thanks for making my point. notrightatall Nov 2014 #23
You could at least thank me.... VScott Nov 2014 #25
Something we will most likely file in the upaloopa Nov 2014 #26
See... there's part of the problem we've been trying to point out for some time now. VScott Nov 2014 #31
You don't need to know gun lore to upaloopa Nov 2014 #32
"You don't need to know gun lore to...have an opinion." Channeling Paul LePage? friendly_iconoclast Nov 2014 #50
No, but you do need to have a thorough knowledge HALO141 Nov 2014 #151
I am not looking for credibility from gun owners. upaloopa Nov 2014 #152
Then what the fuck are you doing here? HALO141 Nov 2014 #205
Isn't that the guy who fund raises for the Brady's... Eleanors38 Nov 2014 #75
Again, thank you. notrightatall Nov 2014 #77
thanks for posting these. samsingh Nov 2014 #82
For posting a a bunch of silly pictures and cartoons? GGJohn Nov 2014 #84
Your "funny" notrightatall Nov 2014 #86
True to form. GGJohn Nov 2014 #87
Did you mean ... Straw Man Nov 2014 #139
Yes notrightatall Nov 2014 #143
It wasn't a yes/no question. Straw Man Nov 2014 #144
Yes, it was. notrightatall Nov 2014 #145
Common sense tells you it wasn't. Straw Man Nov 2014 #146
Common scense would/should also tell you that I have no intention to engage with you. notrightatall Nov 2014 #148
Oh, are we done playing? Straw Man Nov 2014 #150
If you aren't here for discussion, why are you here? beevul Nov 2014 #180
silly gunner notrightatall Nov 2014 #185
In other words, you're here to disrupt discussion. beevul Nov 2014 #187
You seem to be doing a rather fine job of that yourself. notrightatall Nov 2014 #188
I'm attempting to have a discussion. beevul Nov 2014 #189
you discuss nothing. notrightatall Nov 2014 #190
Where am I "defending what they do at every turn"? beevul Nov 2014 #191
Have you read your own posts?? notrightatall Nov 2014 #193
So cite it. beevul Nov 2014 #194
Read your own posts. notrightatall Nov 2014 #195
You made the accusation. beevul Nov 2014 #198
nothing to retract, your own posts tell the story. notrightatall Nov 2014 #199
It must be from the same threads where you advocate mass firearm confiscation at every turn. N/T beevul Nov 2014 #200
Shit!! I'll cop to that, even though I have done no such thing. notrightatall Nov 2014 #201
Awwww kioa Nov 2014 #204
Now that would make a great gun control tattoo for the True Believers out there DonP Nov 2014 #147
i'm thanking him for posting the truth samsingh Nov 2014 #182
You can't change the stripes of these hell-bent gunners. notrightatall Nov 2014 #184
true samsingh Nov 2014 #186
With such a well-thought out retort it's shocking that 2014 was such a disaster. kioa Nov 2014 #4
Y'all can have all the gunz ya want. notrightatall Nov 2014 #7
Or no 'gunz' at all. kioa Nov 2014 #13
exercise notrightatall Nov 2014 #15
Mine, the Supreme Court, the President's, the Democratic Party's official position, kioa Nov 2014 #20
I do not. notrightatall Nov 2014 #22
It seems that your interpretation of the 2nd differs from that of kioa Nov 2014 #36
Point? notrightatall Nov 2014 #38
Your comprehension of the 2nd is lacking. kioa Nov 2014 #40
Since when are we not a part upaloopa Nov 2014 #28
What? notrightatall Nov 2014 #29
You said it was the American people's upaloopa Nov 2014 #47
He didn't. I did. kioa Nov 2014 #78
Comprehension. Straw Man Nov 2014 #62
Bravo ! notrightatall Nov 2014 #73
Thank you! Straw Man Nov 2014 #138
You need to warn us before posting selfies. GGJohn Nov 2014 #63
This message was self-deleted by its author pablo_marmol Nov 2014 #207
So as long as you bring up 'gun nuttery'........ pablo_marmol Nov 2014 #208
America wins when we fight for the 2A...personal safety is important to everyone. ileus Nov 2014 #6
Nope. notrightatall Nov 2014 #8
Nope ileus Nov 2014 #10
So sad....... notrightatall Nov 2014 #11
Personal safety is no accident. ileus Nov 2014 #12
Enjoy your FEAR !!!!! notrightatall Nov 2014 #17
Who's afraid??? ileus Nov 2014 #18
The guy stockpiling gunz. notrightatall Nov 2014 #19
I'm not offended discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2014 #30
I hope you find the graphics adequate compensation for political failure friendly_iconoclast Nov 2014 #33
Y'all would certainly know about "compensation"!! notrightatall Nov 2014 #34
The gibes of the politically ineffectual carry no sting friendly_iconoclast Nov 2014 #39
No "sting" , indeed. notrightatall Nov 2014 #43
Gun control advocacy: The last refuge of warmed-over Freudianism friendly_iconoclast Nov 2014 #48
I needn't make that "claim". notrightatall Nov 2014 #49
Another "telepsychologist", and not the first amongst gun panic-mongers friendly_iconoclast Nov 2014 #53
And obsession with the penis, over and over and over again. NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #111
You sound familiar, GGJohn Nov 2014 #65
What's di? notrightatall Nov 2014 #67
Oh, you know what it is. GGJohn Nov 2014 #68
.ok notrightatall Nov 2014 #69
True to form. GGJohn Nov 2014 #70
Just gonna chime in here, my dick is definitely bigger than my carry pistol.. sir pball Nov 2014 #137
Is dick your husband? notrightatall Nov 2014 #149
omg, SO witty! No darlin', I'm talking about my penis. sir pball Nov 2014 #196
Those who can, do, those who can't, write about it. notrightatall Nov 2014 #197
It's generally considered poor taste when one's at work.. sir pball Nov 2014 #202
Does that apply sarisataka Nov 2014 #55
Does what apply??? notrightatall Nov 2014 #56
That female gun owners sarisataka Nov 2014 #58
Who said that? notrightatall Nov 2014 #59
That is the whole point of your pictures sarisataka Nov 2014 #60
Is that your opinion? notrightatall Nov 2014 #61
Indeed they do. kioa Nov 2014 #64
It is my opinion... sarisataka Nov 2014 #100
...interesting... notrightatall Nov 2014 #101
A pretty butterfly sarisataka Nov 2014 #106
I'll be asking the questions, here. How about this one? notrightatall Nov 2014 #107
Some nice flowers sarisataka Nov 2014 #108
This one? notrightatall Nov 2014 #109
Clouds sarisataka Nov 2014 #110
And, this one? notrightatall Nov 2014 #116
Not ignoring you, washing my hare seemed more important sarisataka Nov 2014 #132
That's ok. I' m just getting dinner ready. notrightatall Nov 2014 #135
You can protect most lives with one gun. ileus Nov 2014 #35
That would entail actually getting away from the computer... friendly_iconoclast Nov 2014 #41
Accuses others of being afraid while kioa Nov 2014 #24
Innocent Americans dying because of someone's insecurities. notrightatall Nov 2014 #37
I'm surrounded by people who own guns. kioa Nov 2014 #42
That fact, makes it much more likely that you will die of a gunshot then I. notrightatall Nov 2014 #46
Ignoring the fact that Wyoming, Utah Iowa, N & S Dakota, Texas kioa Nov 2014 #52
Attitudes like yours have helped to make gun control what it is today friendly_iconoclast Nov 2014 #44
Two questions. kioa Nov 2014 #54
Pay attention. notrightatall Nov 2014 #57
Answers sarisataka Nov 2014 #71
Agreed. kioa Nov 2014 #72
Exactly....gun free zones are costing lives. ileus Nov 2014 #45
Thank you!!!!! GGJohn Nov 2014 #66
" Innocent Americans dying because of someone's insecurities." beevul Nov 2014 #115
Sorry, don't know any of them. notrightatall Nov 2014 #117
They're moms demand action members. beevul Nov 2014 #118
Never heard of them. Don' t disagree with their point, though. notrightatall Nov 2014 #119
I'll answer yours after you answer mine, since I asked first. beevul Nov 2014 #121
Already answered you. notrightatall Nov 2014 #122
Don't you just look silly, now? notrightatall Nov 2014 #123
John Crawford was killed by a poor performing police officer. notrightatall Nov 2014 #120
As a result of someone doing exactly what your side suggests. beevul Nov 2014 #125
Nope, lousy cops doing a lousy job. notrightatall Nov 2014 #126
Now look, little fella... beevul Nov 2014 #128
That stupid cop was the only one who is responsible. He pulled the trigger. The end. notrightatall Nov 2014 #129
Who was responsible for the cops being there with the wrong idea of the situation? beevul Nov 2014 #133
Nope. notrightatall Nov 2014 #136
Well, at least you aren't blaming the gun. beevul Nov 2014 #154
Stupid cop, that is the only cause. notrightatall Nov 2014 #156
Also, I'm still waiting for your answer about your pals. notrightatall Nov 2014 #130
Who said they were "my pals"? N/T beevul Nov 2014 #153
They are on the same side as you are. notrightatall Nov 2014 #155
Beause you say so? beevul Nov 2014 #158
Open carry is a sign of insanity. notrightatall Nov 2014 #160
Thats your opinion. beevul Nov 2014 #162
Correct. notrightatall Nov 2014 #164
Thankfully, you and your colleagues, are an inneffectual bunch. beevul Nov 2014 #165
Don't you have somewhere to go and carry your beloved? notrightatall Nov 2014 #167
I actually don't carry a gun, and suspect that I never will. beevul Nov 2014 #168
So, just a gun nut by proxy, then. notrightatall Nov 2014 #176
Upon what information could you possibly base such a conclusion? beevul Nov 2014 #179
You never answered the question. beevul Nov 2014 #170
I think that question has been answered sarisataka Nov 2014 #171
I reject the premise of your question. notrightatall Nov 2014 #174
Of course you do. beevul Nov 2014 #181
No, just that your question reeks of gun nuttery. notrightatall Nov 2014 #183
C'mon, dude! Keep up! notrightatall Nov 2014 #124
I have most of their albums. VScott Nov 2014 #27
"Fuck Christmas" is my favorite of thier songs. notrightatall Nov 2014 #51
I have an old T which sez: Have a Beer with Fear." Eleanors38 Nov 2014 #83
Her-r-r-re comes da fear thingy. Ri-i-i-ight on time. Eleanors38 Nov 2014 #76
Ahh true colors , indeed. notrightatall Nov 2014 #79
Says someone whose life revolves around fear of an inanimate object. kioa Nov 2014 #85
Her-r-r-re comes da Penis™. You can set watches AND ignore the 18,000,000 Eleanors38 Nov 2014 #74
You are so right. To imply that women gun nutz have penis issues would be , well, just silly. notrightatall Nov 2014 #80
Do you miss posting your silly cartoons at DI? GGJohn Nov 2014 #81
Something familiar about that clippity-cloppity style. Eleanors38 Nov 2014 #88
You can have this one. notrightatall Nov 2014 #90
Post removed Post removed Nov 2014 #92
Careful! They're out. Eleanors38 Nov 2014 #102
Responding to one's self? notrightatall Nov 2014 #104
I know. Claim they are trolling for bass. Eleanors38 Nov 2014 #112
puffery. notrightatall Nov 2014 #89
True to form. GGJohn Nov 2014 #91
No, this is: notrightatall Nov 2014 #93
Well at least you finally posted a picture of a nice painting, GGJohn Nov 2014 #94
It's a lithograph. notrightatall Nov 2014 #95
No, it's a picture of a lithograph. GGJohn Nov 2014 #96
No, it's a digital file of a picture of a lithograph. notrightatall Nov 2014 #97
This message was self-deleted by its author GGJohn Nov 2014 #98
You, maybe, should see someone about your delusions. notrightatall Nov 2014 #99
Good! NaturalHigh Nov 2014 #103
Poor politically savvy Kamala, blew her chance to get into this DonP Nov 2014 #105
Cartoons? Some big-gutted dude in a Stormy Kromer Eleanors38 Nov 2014 #114
Hey, watch it. I have two Stormy Kromers bought 'em at the factory store DonP Nov 2014 #131
I'd like one, too. I have to admit I usually wear a Eleanors38 Nov 2014 #134
Kamala Harris is also facing a suit for enforcing a law Eleanors38 Nov 2014 #113
Since the SD Sheriff chose not to appeal, and the panel has not allowed others petronius Nov 2014 #127
Here's some discussion on Calguns: pablo_marmol Nov 2014 #140
Thanks for the link - it does seem that the other two cases have become petronius Nov 2014 #173
Sweet news! pablo_marmol Nov 2014 #141
The butthurt from the anti-2A'ers is on full display in this thread. Inkfreak Nov 2014 #142
Not anti 2A. Just your interpretation there of. notrightatall Nov 2014 #157
And the Presidents. And congresses. And the Supreme courts... beevul Nov 2014 #159
That is correct. notrightatall Nov 2014 #161
I can't decide whether your jpak, hoyt, bongbong or shares. n/t beevul Nov 2014 #163
Well ,spend more of your time figuring that out. notrightatall Nov 2014 #166
By any other name, the taste is just as rancid... beevul Nov 2014 #169
And now we know sarisataka Nov 2014 #172
You know nothing. notrightatall Nov 2014 #175
I know enough sarisataka Nov 2014 #177
what ya lookin' for? notrightatall Nov 2014 #178
Nothing sarisataka Nov 2014 #192
No idea what "typo" you're talking about. Inkfreak Nov 2014 #203
Local news coverage: pablo_marmol Nov 2014 #206
 

VScott

(774 posts)
3. Cool!
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 01:36 PM
Nov 2014

I'll take legislative and judicial victories over jokes, cartoons and insults anytime.

 

VScott

(774 posts)
14. That's okay too.
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 01:58 PM
Nov 2014

We're hitting home runs, while the other side is barely making it to 1st base.

 

VScott

(774 posts)
21. Error
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 02:15 PM
Nov 2014

Pistol grip shotguns are a beast to shoot.

Tec-9's are crap

Too much scope on the AR.

but... at least they have proper trigger discipline.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
26. Something we will most likely file in the
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 02:29 PM
Nov 2014

don't need to know and don't care to know file which will soon be forgotten.

 

VScott

(774 posts)
31. See... there's part of the problem we've been trying to point out for some time now.
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 02:34 PM
Nov 2014

How can you legislate what you don't understand?

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
50. "You don't need to know gun lore to...have an opinion." Channeling Paul LePage?
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 03:00 PM
Nov 2014
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025742717

L(e)Page's comment on Ebola: "We just don't know anything about ebola"


Willful ignorance-the true mark of an ideologue...

HALO141

(911 posts)
151. No, but you do need to have a thorough knowledge
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 02:50 PM
Nov 2014

of all the facts if you want your "opinion" to have any credibility.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
152. I am not looking for credibility from gun owners.
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 03:12 PM
Nov 2014

Gunners have their world, ideas, talking points and positions all worked out. It is a waste of time talking to them.

HALO141

(911 posts)
205. Then what the fuck are you doing here?
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 12:59 AM
Nov 2014

Your interests would be better served littering your own group with google dumps.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
75. Isn't that the guy who fund raises for the Brady's...
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 05:03 PM
Nov 2014

...but has his own CA concealed-carry for several handguns?

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
84. For posting a a bunch of silly pictures and cartoons?
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 05:22 PM
Nov 2014

The same thing that got the poster banned over at DI?
If that's your idea of relevance, then no wonder you and your comrades can't get anything passed.

 

notrightatall

(410 posts)
148. Common scense would/should also tell you that I have no intention to engage with you.
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 12:39 PM
Nov 2014

Go play with your gunz.

Straw Man

(6,946 posts)
150. Oh, are we done playing?
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 12:57 PM
Nov 2014
Common scense would/should also tell you that I have no intention to engage with you.

Such a shame. It was just starting to get interesting.

Go play with your gunz.

OK. What are you going to go play with?
 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
180. If you aren't here for discussion, why are you here?
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 06:05 PM
Nov 2014

If you aren't here for discussion, why are you here?

 

notrightatall

(410 posts)
188. You seem to be doing a rather fine job of that yourself.
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 06:52 PM
Nov 2014

Your pals agree with you on that, too.
You are on the same side, right?

?1401904222

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
189. I'm attempting to have a discussion.
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 07:00 PM
Nov 2014

You are here to be disruptive, your "snipe hunt" post and your admission in it, being plenty of evidence.

Its a violation of the group rules to do such things, which you've admitted to doing.

 

notrightatall

(410 posts)
190. you discuss nothing.
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 07:03 PM
Nov 2014

you won't even acknowledge your buddies in this picture, after defending what they do at every turn.
?1401904222

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
191. Where am I "defending what they do at every turn"?
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 07:04 PM
Nov 2014

Cite please.

That or just admit you made up a lie about me.

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
198. You made the accusation.
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 07:19 PM
Nov 2014

You back it up or retract it.

The onus is not on me, its on you.

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
200. It must be from the same threads where you advocate mass firearm confiscation at every turn. N/T
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 07:22 PM
Nov 2014
 

notrightatall

(410 posts)
201. Shit!! I'll cop to that, even though I have done no such thing.
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 07:29 PM
Nov 2014

But , hell ya!!! grab dem gunz!!




I proudly make this call !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



See the difference?? I am proud of my gun grabbing position, you and your ilk, on the other hand , hide and obfuscate your indefensible position. Sorry if the fact that you are a hell-bent gunner offends you....as it should.

 

kioa

(295 posts)
204. Awwww
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 12:29 AM
Nov 2014

Poor loser is losing poorly.

I'm sorry that you--somehow--find life in the USA to be 'scary', but your irrational fears aren't my problem.

Your bizarre belief that there is just too darn much freedom in the USA has lost.
Deal with it.

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
147. Now that would make a great gun control tattoo for the True Believers out there
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 12:34 PM
Nov 2014

Considering their track record, very appropriate.

Have it tattooed on one cheek and Bloomberg's face on the other.

samsingh

(18,426 posts)
182. i'm thanking him for posting the truth
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 06:36 PM
Nov 2014

we can't get anything passed because of voting fools and gun money

 

notrightatall

(410 posts)
184. You can't change the stripes of these hell-bent gunners.
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 06:42 PM
Nov 2014

all you can do is poke at them with sticks , so they don't get too comfy.

They "hiss" allot, but always run back to their gun pile.

They seem to never figure out the "snipe" hunt.


 

kioa

(295 posts)
4. With such a well-thought out retort it's shocking that 2014 was such a disaster.
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 01:39 PM
Nov 2014

Truly shocking.

But let us move beyond the steep political consequences of gun control for now.

Why do you think Edward Peruta should be denied the same right that Diane Feinstein was allowed to exorcize?
Are there any other rights you care to deny to Mr. Peruta?

 

kioa

(295 posts)
13. Or no 'gunz' at all.
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 01:57 PM
Nov 2014

And you get to make that exact same choice.
Isn't freedom neat?

Of course if anyone decides to take that freedom, then we get to have our day in court or a free election to settle such a disagreement.

After that the winner keeps that choice, that right & that freedom, and the loser gets to exorcize the right to post a cartoon.

EVERYBODY WINS!

 

kioa

(295 posts)
20. Mine, the Supreme Court, the President's, the Democratic Party's official position,
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 02:13 PM
Nov 2014

and the American people's.

Thanks for showing us all errors of our ways with the usage of cartoons & interweb spelingz.

Impressive.
Really.

However I note you haven't answered my inquiry; namely, why do you think Mr. Peruta should be denied the right afforded to Diane Feinstein?

 

kioa

(295 posts)
36. It seems that your interpretation of the 2nd differs from that of
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 02:44 PM
Nov 2014

the President, the Supreme Court, the Democratic Party & DiFi.
(Protip: the word "bear" may play a part)





 

kioa

(295 posts)
40. Your comprehension of the 2nd is lacking.
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 02:47 PM
Nov 2014

On another note:
Life in the USA isn't 'scary'.

Get out more. Educate yourself.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
28. Since when are we not a part
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 02:32 PM
Nov 2014

of the American people and others who feel we have too many guns around us?

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
47. You said it was the American people's
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 02:53 PM
Nov 2014

opinion. It is some of the American people's opinion. We are American people too.

 

kioa

(295 posts)
78. He didn't. I did.
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 05:12 PM
Nov 2014

But very well, allow me to rephrase.
"Mine, the Supreme Court, the President's, the Democratic Party's official position,
and the vast majority of the American people's."

You don't get to take away others rights because of your personal 'feelings' anymore than minorities have to give up their rights because of the personal 'feelings' of bigots.

The Bill of Right protects....ya know....rights.
Including the individual right to keep and bear arms.

You have the right to not like the rights others have.
You even have the right to try and amend the Constitution to eliminate that protection of individual rights.

And we have the right to free elections.
Good luck convincing the American people that the problem with life in the USA is that we have too many rights.

Straw Man

(6,946 posts)
62. Comprehension.
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 03:53 PM
Nov 2014

Before you malign anyone's use of the English language, you may want to check on the possessive form of the pronoun "it."


I'm just sayin' ...

Response to notrightatall (Reply #1)

pablo_marmol

(2,375 posts)
208. So as long as you bring up 'gun nuttery'........
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 06:31 AM
Nov 2014

let's review and enjoy your failure on gun-nuttery.com, shall we?

http://www.gun-nuttery.com/paper.php

With California on the brink of becoming True Blue*, only states on the east coast will be hanging on to their "moral superiority".

* http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/07/04/881431/-Why-liberals-should-love-the-Second-Amendment

ileus

(15,396 posts)
6. America wins when we fight for the 2A...personal safety is important to everyone.
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 01:42 PM
Nov 2014

Until we all have personal LEO's there is always good reason to carry.

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
39. The gibes of the politically ineffectual carry no sting
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 02:47 PM
Nov 2014

You lot certainly do act out when you don't get your way, don't you?

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
48. Gun control advocacy: The last refuge of warmed-over Freudianism
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 02:54 PM
Nov 2014

I'm surprised you haven't claimed I have the brainpan of a stagecoach tilter

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
111. And obsession with the penis, over and over and over again.
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 07:54 PM
Nov 2014

And problems in constructing arguments.

So sad. No cure.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
68. Oh, you know what it is.
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 04:15 PM
Nov 2014

Don't act dumb.
How about some more of those silly cartoons you were so fond of over at DI?

sir pball

(5,340 posts)
137. Just gonna chime in here, my dick is definitely bigger than my carry pistol..
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 11:56 PM
Nov 2014

..and it's a full-sized 1911

sir pball

(5,340 posts)
196. omg, SO witty! No darlin', I'm talking about my penis.
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 07:15 PM
Nov 2014

It's quite wonderful, never gotten anything but rave reviews let alone one of those HILARIOUS "itty bitty" comments.

Certainly don't feel the need to compensate for it, or anything else about me for that matter...but if it makes you feel better to imagine me as insecure, fat, balding and tiny-pricked, hey, your fantasies are your own bag. Have fun with it!

sir pball

(5,340 posts)
202. It's generally considered poor taste when one's at work..
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 07:53 PM
Nov 2014

I'm not on the line so I get plenty of leeway to screw around, but a, ah, "gun show" might be a little excessive even then...plus probably quite a health code violation. This place isn't that compelling when there's more fun things to do

sarisataka

(22,694 posts)
60. That is the whole point of your pictures
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 03:46 PM
Nov 2014

and the lovely quip about flu shots, that males own guns because of having an unusually small penis.

So how does that apply to women who own guns? Are they compensating for a vaginal issue or a defective clitoris?

 

notrightatall

(410 posts)
61. Is that your opinion?
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 03:50 PM
Nov 2014

I said nothing of the sort. Often one's own insecurities color how one sees things.

Maybe it's just you.

sarisataka

(22,694 posts)
100. It is my opinion...
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 06:21 PM
Nov 2014

of your posts.
Are you going to say you are simply adding pictures; that they have no other meaning?

ileus

(15,396 posts)
35. You can protect most lives with one gun.
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 02:44 PM
Nov 2014

If you so wished....

Lot's of folks would recommend the G19 as the perfect CC and HD pistol. If personal safety is all you desire then that ONE pistol is all you need.

Of course if you want to get the whole family involved then you'll want to expand the collection to whatever you want. Small pocket carried pistols. Maybe something with a little more barrel for a nightstand gun. Maybe you want a long gun like an AR or nice Shotgun. Maybe you want to compete, or enjoy hunting. The possibilities are endless. Life Safety / Competition / Family Leisure / Hunting.

 

kioa

(295 posts)
24. Accuses others of being afraid while
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 02:23 PM
Nov 2014

insisting that innocent Americans lose rights & liberties because of...fear.

 

kioa

(295 posts)
42. I'm surrounded by people who own guns.
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 02:50 PM
Nov 2014

Innocent people aren't dying because of it.

Life in the USA isn't 'scary'.
Educate yourself. Stop being afraid.

 

notrightatall

(410 posts)
46. That fact, makes it much more likely that you will die of a gunshot then I.
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 02:53 PM
Nov 2014

Thems the facts!!

 

kioa

(295 posts)
52. Ignoring the fact that Wyoming, Utah Iowa, N & S Dakota, Texas
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 03:06 PM
Nov 2014

and 21 other states have both lower murder rates & higher gun ownership rates...
(that's an actual fact)
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/murder-rates-nationally-and-state#MRord


I'm not the one insisting that others have to give up their rights because of unreasonable fears.
Why are you so afraid?
The USA isn't 'scary'. I promise.
Get out more. Educate yourself.

 

kioa

(295 posts)
54. Two questions.
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 03:25 PM
Nov 2014

1) What kind of attitude? Expand.

2) Just what do you think the gun control movement is today?

sarisataka

(22,694 posts)
71. Answers
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 04:40 PM
Nov 2014

1) a juvenile attitude that cannot discuss an important issue without making middle school level sexual innuendos, ironically claiming their opposition has a fetish problem.
- group assignment of guilt and ridicule of the 99+% of gun owners who are responsible. Not only would they be the greatest allies of effective gun control, it is likely no meaningful, lasting gun control legislation can be passed without the support of many of these gun owners.

2) the gun control movement today is attempting to organize a broad of widespread population who take a passing favourable interest in the issue. They have a zealous core of supporters for whom gun control takes on religious overtones.
The leadership is a group of ideologues for will throw everything else away on one issue. They happily accept money from Bloomberg never thinking he will want a return on that money on his other issues such as citizens united or "fixing" public schools with charter schools.
Republicans don't work that way. I know people claim he is independent but I can call a skunk a peacock it will still look the same and smell as bad.

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
115. " Innocent Americans dying because of someone's insecurities."
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 08:15 PM
Nov 2014





Those are tweets from people from your side of the gun issue there bud, nice folks huh? Now, since you brought up "Americans dying because of someone's insecurities", lets talk about John Crawford, or did you only mean some Americans who are dying because of someone's insecurities.



 

notrightatall

(410 posts)
117. Sorry, don't know any of them.
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 08:35 PM
Nov 2014

Are these guys friends of yours? They are on the same side as you.





 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
118. They're moms demand action members.
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 08:39 PM
Nov 2014

Now that you know who they are...


Do you approve of the action they suggest, or that such action led to in the killing of John Crawford?

Do tell.

 

notrightatall

(410 posts)
119. Never heard of them. Don' t disagree with their point, though.
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 08:44 PM
Nov 2014

There is nothing remotely " normal " about carrying long guns to the grocery store. Only a crazy person, or an evil one would do such a thing.
Now, back to your pals in the Target: Do you support your kindred spirits pictured here?

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
121. I'll answer yours after you answer mine, since I asked first.
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 08:52 PM
Nov 2014

I'll answer yours after you answer mine, since I asked first.

Do you approve of the action they suggest, or that such action led to in the killing of John Crawford?

It just seems odd, to me, to see someone on your side of the issue complaining about "Innocent Americans dying because of someone's insecurities", and then trying to change the subject over and over again when I bring up John Crawford.

Your the one that brought up "Innocent Americans dying because of someone's insecurities".

Did you really want to talk about it or are you just here to post dumb pictures make snide comments and just generally be disruptive to discussion?

I guess when you respond with another dumb picture instead of talking about john Crawford, everyone will be able to see the answer to that question for themselves.




 

notrightatall

(410 posts)
120. John Crawford was killed by a poor performing police officer.
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 08:49 PM
Nov 2014

One who should be locked up for his crimes. You should be outraged at this " cop's" actions. No one else to blame. Back to these guys, friends of yours?

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
125. As a result of someone doing exactly what your side suggests.
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 09:00 PM
Nov 2014










Gee, I even have the proof:

An Ohio grand jury has declined to indict the white police officer who fatally shot John Crawford. A 22-year-old African American, Crawford was killed inside a Wal-Mart store last month after a caller phoned police to accuse him of brandishing a gun and pointing it at other customers. In fact, Crawford had picked up an unloaded BB air rifle on a shelf, an item that is sold in the store. Newly released surveillance footage shows major discrepancies between a 911 caller's account, and what really happened. The Justice Department now says it will launch a federal review to determine if Crawford's civil rights were violated. We are joined by two guests: Rashad Robinson, executive director of Color of Change, a national organization that has campaigned for Wal-Mart to release the surveillance tapes, and James Hayes, founding member of the Ohio Student Association, which has been organizing protests over the shooting.

http://www.democracynow.org/2014/9/25/no_charges_in_ohio_police_killing

"Poor performing police officer" my ass.

The police were called and told a something other than the truth, exactly like your buddies suggest doing above.

Who did the people in the photo you posted kill? Oh that's right - Nobody.
 

notrightatall

(410 posts)
126. Nope, lousy cops doing a lousy job.
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 09:05 PM
Nov 2014

That is all, now back to your pals: you support them? They are on your side.

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
128. Now look, little fella...
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 09:20 PM
Nov 2014

Now look, little fella, I know clicking links is hard, and reading the content at them even harder, so in the spirit of being charitable, I'll help you out and do half the work for you:

911 OPERATOR: Beavercreek 911. Where is your emergency?

RONALD RITCHIE: I’m at the Beavercreek Wal-Mart. There is a gentleman walking around with a gun in the store.

911 OPERATOR: Has he got it pulled out?

RONALD RITCHIE: Yeah, he’s like pointing it at people.

And yet the video shows that what was said in that call was a blatant lie, and can be seen at this link:

http://www.democracynow.org/2014/9/25/no_charges_in_ohio_police_killing

So yes, someone followed the suggested course of action, put forth by your anti-gun colleagues, and it
led to law enforcement showing up on the scene with a false understanding of the facts, and it got someone killed.

Its a prime example of "Innocent Americans dying because of someone's insecurities", a subject you so helpfully brought up. You brought it up, you are interested in discussing it, aren't you?

 

notrightatall

(410 posts)
129. That stupid cop was the only one who is responsible. He pulled the trigger. The end.
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 09:30 PM
Nov 2014

And that is Mr. little fella to you.


 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
133. Who was responsible for the cops being there with the wrong idea of the situation?
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 11:32 PM
Nov 2014

Who was responsible for the cops being there with the wrong idea of the situation, in the first place?

(Hint: "stupid cop" ain't it)

This really isn't hard.

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
154. Well, at least you aren't blaming the gun.
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 03:22 PM
Nov 2014

I look forward to you, posting whenever theres a google dump, how it was the individual that pulled the trigger who was the problem, rather than the gun itself.


I'm sure everyone will enjoy it.

 

notrightatall

(410 posts)
155. They are on the same side as you are.
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 03:23 PM
Nov 2014

comrades in arms???



ya know, birds of a feather and all that......


Oh, they are your pals, alright.

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
158. Beause you say so?
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 03:31 PM
Nov 2014

Oh yeah, which of those, in the photo you posted, was responsible for getting someone killed?

Which of them suggested calling 911 and telling lies to the dispatcher when they see someone lawfully carrying a gun?

None of them? How...underwhelming.

I guess if I was forced to choose between people lawfully carrying guns in a peaceable manner, and people that openly suggest blatantly telling lies to the authorities, in a way that is very likely to get someone killed, I'd choose the carriers.

How about you?

If you are forced to choose between people lawfully carrying, and people that openly suggest blatantly telling lies to the authorities, in a way that is very likely to get someone killed...

Which would you choose?

 

notrightatall

(410 posts)
160. Open carry is a sign of insanity.
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 03:41 PM
Nov 2014

That or evil intent. I will call 911 if I see some douche-bag carrying a gun in a grocery store. I can only assume that person is insane, thus a threat, or has evil intent, again being a threat. IMO those who would condone carrying a gun for no reason as insane, or evil themselves.

Especially since their whole basis for what the claim as 2nd A "rights" are based on a typo.

No different than what the GOP and SCOTUS ire doing with the ACA.

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
162. Thats your opinion.
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 03:49 PM
Nov 2014
"Open carry is a sign of insanity. That or evil intent."


You yourself don't even seem sure whether its a sign of insanity or evil intent. And, that's your opinion, hardly empirical fact.

But it does say alot about you.

"Especially since their whole basis for what the claim as 2nd A "rights" are based on a typo."


That's also your opinion. The President disagrees. Congress disagrees. The supreme court disagrees.

The American people disagree.

But they're all wrong, and you, with your well established credentials, certainly know better, than all of the above, right?

I look forward to your well written decision, after you are confirmed as a supreme court justice, which shows authoritatively, why the President, congress, the supreme court, and the American people are all wrong.




 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
168. I actually don't carry a gun, and suspect that I never will.
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 04:03 PM
Nov 2014

Not that you could be bothered to know, or even ask, before assuming. Again that says more about you than anything else.

Oh, and I haven't bought a gun in over 10 years now, so strike "gun hoarder" off the list too. Oh, and I don't own any so called "assault weapons" either, so strike "Rambo wannabe" off your list of insults too.

You have insults, but do you actually have anything else?

I'm guessing not so much...

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
179. Upon what information could you possibly base such a conclusion?
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 05:55 PM
Nov 2014

Was it that I agree with the President, Congress, the U.S. Supreme court, and a clear majority of the American people, that amendment 2 protects an individual right?

Or is that how you label anyone that disagrees with you on the gun issue?

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
170. You never answered the question.
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 04:15 PM
Nov 2014

If you are forced to choose between people lawfully carrying, and people that openly suggest blatantly telling lies to the authorities, in a way that is very likely to get someone killed...

Which would you choose?

sarisataka

(22,694 posts)
171. I think that question has been answered
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 04:26 PM
Nov 2014

To paraphrase Orwell, Some innocent deaths are more tragic than others.

He doesn't want to come out and say that and get banned again.

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
181. Of course you do.
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 06:07 PM
Nov 2014

Because the answer is discomforting, otherwise, maybe even to yourself.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
83. I have an old T which sez: Have a Beer with Fear."
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 05:22 PM
Nov 2014

From my old punk rock daze. The shirt I missed getting was not a punk one. It was one which advertised a central a.c. company: "Ruud. A Way of Life." Had to settle on one featuring a Betty Paige bondage photo where she was suspended via block & tackle. Not bad for the mosh pit.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
76. Her-r-r-re comes da fear thingy. Ri-i-i-ight on time.
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 05:10 PM
Nov 2014

A busted 45 will repeat the same lyric, but a good 45 will repeat the same action.

 

notrightatall

(410 posts)
79. Ahh true colors , indeed.
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 05:13 PM
Nov 2014

So sad when a life revolves around the love of a cold inanimate object.



 

kioa

(295 posts)
85. Says someone whose life revolves around fear of an inanimate object.
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 05:23 PM
Nov 2014

No one is forcing you to own a gun.
It is a choice you are free to make.

That same choice is afforded to all innocent Americans.
I trust my fellow citizens with their rights. You should too.

Educate yourself.
Stop being afraid.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
74. Her-r-r-re comes da Penis™. You can set watches AND ignore the 18,000,000
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 05:00 PM
Nov 2014

Women who have guns. But cartoons have a way of hanging around in the generations-old, pre-gender neutral era of both T. Rex and the Blues Magoos.

 

notrightatall

(410 posts)
80. You are so right. To imply that women gun nutz have penis issues would be , well, just silly.
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 05:15 PM
Nov 2014
 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
88. Something familiar about that clippity-cloppity style.
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 05:30 PM
Nov 2014

predictable as a "well-modulated bowel movement" (Dali). Saw the same stuff couple years back; cruddy bull-in-the-ring stuff, then & now.

Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #88)

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
94. Well at least you finally posted a picture of a nice painting,
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 05:38 PM
Nov 2014

but I just know you'll revert back to those silly cartoons you're so fond of .

Response to notrightatall (Reply #97)

 

notrightatall

(410 posts)
99. You, maybe, should see someone about your delusions.
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 05:48 PM
Nov 2014

I'm not all together sure you are well.

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
105. Poor politically savvy Kamala, blew her chance to get into this
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 07:21 PM
Nov 2014

She carefully avoided getting involved in any 2nd amendment cases for years, including this one when she had the chance in 2012.

Now, at the last minute, she wants to ride in as the knight in shining armor and the court told her and the Brady Bunch to go away, they missed that boat.

So now we wait and see if SCOTUS will take it, or pass on Cert and let the Circuit court ruling stand ... and shall issue becomes the law in California just like here in Illinois..

I'm sure there's a cartoon for that somewhere that will sway an En Banc sitting of the Circuit court to see it the gun controllers way.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
114. Cartoons? Some big-gutted dude in a Stormy Kromer
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 08:13 PM
Nov 2014

is so-o-o-o Bobby Vinton, or that dude in a fedora with a pipe in his mouth. I saw that on a sweatshirt for the Northern Colorado University Fighting White Guys.

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
131. Hey, watch it. I have two Stormy Kromers bought 'em at the factory store
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 09:42 PM
Nov 2014

Bought a matching one for one of my grandsons too.

Surprisingly he actually wears it in the Winter, like this week for instance

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
134. I'd like one, too. I have to admit I usually wear a
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 11:34 PM
Nov 2014

Reversible balaclava for headgear; it's so easy to solve camo and cold weather problems in one whip it out garment.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
113. Kamala Harris is also facing a suit for enforcing a law
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 08:06 PM
Nov 2014

which bans displaying a PICTURE of a handgun in signs advertising dealers licensed to sell them. This kind of image ban is in some other states (even Texas!), but is not enforced, except by Harris, a fulminating banner. Grounds for the suit? Violation of First Amendment protection for free speech, wouldn't you know?

petronius

(26,696 posts)
127. Since the SD Sheriff chose not to appeal, and the panel has not allowed others
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 09:18 PM
Nov 2014

to so, how would it be possible for the case to go further? Does the SD Sheriff still have the option of appealing to the full 9th, or is the only route for the Court itself (or USSC?) to reach down and grab the case?

petronius

(26,696 posts)
173. Thanks for the link - it does seem that the other two cases have become
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 04:46 PM
Nov 2014

more important than Peruta at this point, as they're still (potentially) moving forward...

pablo_marmol

(2,375 posts)
141. Sweet news!
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 04:31 AM
Nov 2014

I was in the courtroom in S.D. for the case. It will be interesting to see how this proceeds.
 

notrightatall

(410 posts)
157. Not anti 2A. Just your interpretation there of.
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 03:29 PM
Nov 2014

You gunners who hang your hat on a "typo" are just as bad as those going after the ACA, and its subsidies.

that and your unwavering support for these guys:

?1401904222


And if you do not know what I'm talking about, school your own silly asses.

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
159. And the Presidents. And congresses. And the Supreme courts...
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 03:36 PM
Nov 2014

"Not anti 2A. Just your interpretation there of."

And the Presidents interpretation there of, and congresses, and the Supreme courts...


You're right but everyone else is wrong, right?

If I were on the loosing side of this issue, I might be inclined to lash out and post a pic in every post, then claim I wasn't trying to convey messages I was clearly intent on conveying, too.

Compared to iverglas, your tactics are very amateurish...and that's being charitable.

Inkfreak

(1,695 posts)
203. No idea what "typo" you're talking about.
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 08:22 PM
Nov 2014

And I dunno who those guys are or why I'm a "gunner". But you make a compelling example of what I posted about.

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