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[sarisataka]

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with this?

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[daleanime]

1. You might start....

with what your problem with it is.....

[sarisataka]

5. A few things

-encouraging kids to handle firearms unsupervised- dangerous/irresponsible
-theft- felony
-bringing a firearm to school- dangerous/expulsion offense

I could write a paper about the implications of a child feeling unable to talk to parents, usurpation of parental authority not to mention the parallels between this and old Nazi and Soviet propaganda of children's duty to inform on their parents.

[daleanime]

11. "Usurpation of parental authority..?"

Are you trying to replace Stephen?

[tradewinds]

2. No, not at all.

If A child of that age would go to this extent, there must be a damn good reason. Drunk parent, violent parent, ETC.
The mere fact that that gun was "stored" in an unlocked drawer is evidence of an irresponsible gun owner.

Nope, no problem at all.

[sarisataka]

6. I can agree with the storage issue

but there is no indication of any other problem similar to those you listed. I am sure that was not an oversight.

Even if t were so I could not condone bringing the gun to school.

[tradewinds]

7. If you are that child and in your view the option is to leave it in the drawer,

and he knows his dad has yet to return home from last nights bender, so his dad can shoot his mom is certainly a better decision.

god save the gun!!

[sarisataka]

8. And maybe the kid

is depressed and suicidal. Or maybe it is hot out and he knows a Predator only hunts armed prey.

I am going on what s presented in the PSA.

Would you like to see a school hold a gun collection day?

[tradewinds]

9. That's rather obtuse.

As to your question: Yes, I would like to use any means available to remove guns from society.

I am very disappointed that Obama has so miserably failed at grabbing guns. Guns need to be grabbed and melted down into paper clips.

[sarisataka]

10. Your words speak

for themselves

As to your question: Yes, I would like to use any means available to remove guns from society.

I am very disappointed that Obama has so miserably failed at grabbing guns. Guns need to be grabbed and melted down into paper clips.

Have a nice day

[tradewinds]

12. I will.

You have a point?

[sarisataka]

19. My point?

Is simply to wish you well.

You are clearly a zealot as much as a Fundamentalist is; experience has taught me there is no point in debating with such.
"Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and it annoys the pig."

So simply and sincerely have a nice day.

[tradewinds]

20. Enjoy your tools of death.

[GGJohn]

21. Enjoy your hyperbole.

[tradewinds]

22. My hyperbole is 100% non-lethal.

[GGJohn]

23. And my firearms have only been used to provide my family with food

and killed paper targets.

[tradewinds]

25. So far.................

[GGJohn]

27. And.....................

You want to deprive me of the means to provide food to my family, protect my livestock, and just enjoying a day outside target shooting, ergo, that makes you an authoritarian.

Do you know how stupid this ad is? With the zero tolerance policies in schools, you have no problem with kids taking firearms to school to hand over to teachers?
Do you have any clue as to the ramifications of such a move? The kid would be immediately arrested, expelled and end up with a criminal record.
Yeah, that's a real smart ad to approve of.

[tradewinds]

28. That is your gun-loving opinion.

Tell you what, you can keep your shotgun, the rest have to go.

[GGJohn]

29. Tell you what, you don't have a say in what I can keep.

[tradewinds]

30. So far..........

[GGJohn]

31. Never..................

[Fred Sanders]

42. Leave him alone, he needs his killing machines to shoot him up some food and ward off coyotes. You know,

like most American with guns who live in the Ponderosa with 300 million guns.

With 5% of the worlds population Americans own 50 % of the guns in private hands

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country#/image/File:World_map_of_civilian_gun_ownership_-_2nd_color_scheme.svg

[kioa]

69. Life in the USA must be simply terrifying for you.

How bizarre.

Get a grip.
Life in the USA isn't scary.
Get out more.

[DonP]

79. Safer than it's ever been

But that's only if you believe those frauds at the FBI under that right wing NRA Shill Eric Holder.

Violent crime is lower than it's been in over 40 years.

Whining OTOH though is higher than it's been in 40 years (also more irrelevant).

[ileus]

36. Mine are tools for saving/protecting lives.

They are enjoyable at the range though.

[NYC_SKP]

14. Imagine, for a moment, that the student and mom are black.

Just imagine that and imagine reasonable endings to that scenario based on real life events.

Guns will not be grabbed, there are more guns in the US every day, even as more people support gun rights over gun control.

And gun violence is falling falling falling.

We don't need to grab, we just need better management of our existing systems, more consistency and follow up.

[tradewinds]

16. Imagine if they were green.

[Fred Sanders]

40. Nice to see more allies against the illogical outrage of the gunners...ask them if they support the

Republican, Ted Nugent, Fox News NRA positions on gun control or Democratic Bloomberg and other progressive groups.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

65. "ask them if they support"

How about we just ask you if you support a woman's right to defend herself from sexual assault?

Democratic Bloomberg and other progressive groups.

The things you learn on the internet.

[kioa]

68. Bloomberg's a 'progressive' group?!?

Please proceed.

I rather like your fan fiction.
Reality can be so mundane.

[Fred Sanders]

73. You can use a few big words, granted, try to string them together to make sense, it is a good thing.

[GGJohn]

15. You sound familiar.

Another gun grabber in a long line of failed gun grabbers.
It must chafe your behind that gun rights are going in the opposite direction of what you want to see.

[tradewinds]

17. You sound paranoid.

The worm will turn.

[GGJohn]

18. Not paranoid, confident.

The worm will turn.

Been hearing that for decades now, so far, squat, but have fun living that fantasy.

[Fred Sanders]

74. These are admirers of the NRA after all, paranoia is mandatory.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

126. LOL i see you have embraced the "framing" they use as to "grabber", clever, i like it

So if a person who wants to enforce the 2nd amdnement is a grabber, what is a first amendment supporter?

A loudmouth?

[tradewinds]

127. I, too, am a supporter of strong, well regulated militias .

I would welcome the denationalization of our National Guards.

[NYC_SKP]

24. Maybe they are just susceptible to propaganda and fear tactics...

...and a little bit impaired.

You make a lot of assumptions.

Is it a real gun? (no, it's a toy gun)

Is it his parents or did he steal or buy it? (we don't know)

Why bring it to school and not just break it up, toss it, call police? (we will never know because it's bullshit propaganda)

[Warpy]

59. I'd hope he'd have enough sense to turn it into the cops, instead

or just bury it in the back yard.

Kids who find guns unsecured want to play with them. That's my main problem with this ad. It's a dream world.

[tradewinds]

61. Recent events make clear the cop option could be deadly.

[Warpy]

62. Not if you hold the thing by the barrel

but yes, the main danger is that it would go back to the irresponsible parents.

[tradewinds]

132. Cops , it seems, do not look that close.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

136. Maybe gun control advocates should start with the cops before they invade the homes of good people

[ileus]

3. My work firewall does it appears.

This portion of the requested page has been blocked.

[PeoViejo]

4. Yeah, I have a problem

Bringing the gun to school is a serious offense, regardless of the motive. The Dolts that produced this video need to get some serious dummy slapping.

[GGJohn]

13. Yeah, big time.

That's got to be one of the most irresponsible ads I've ever seen.
This org. is going to get a bunch of kids arrested and expelled from school.
What a bunch of dumbass fools.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

32. On the brighter side...

...the attorneys on both sides will be doing better.

[NYC_SKP]

26. LOL!!! It's a Crosman C-BB pistol. He doesn't want a BB pistol in the house, OMG WTF !!!1!!!1!!11

So much for all the arguments in favor of the POS propaganda piece.





http://www.crosman.com/airguns/pistols/C11

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

33. Now you're just getting technical...

...but in New Jersey I think they are classified as "firearms".

[NYC_SKP]

34. Either way what the hell is doing bringing it to school? Stupid or what?

Of all places to bring it, be sure to bring it to SCHOOL!

What the hell? Of course that makes it dramatic, they want to milk Newtown and other tragedies but really this is promoting stupid and unsafe behaviors to make a specious point.

In New Jersey it would have to be sold like a firearm, in Minnesota the kid would be in violation for just exposing it in public, other states too based on the school campus angle.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

35. Well...

...how could anyone approve of a minor handling and transporting a gun?
That says it all for me.



Off topic: I think a new icon is needed, one with its head up it's ass.

[Fred Sanders]

45. What annoys you is he "handled and transported" to hand it in and rejected what it represents - death.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

60. It's very difficult...

...to think outside the box when you deny there's even a box.
Take it easy Fred and have a nice night.

[ileus]

38. He doesn't want his evil BB pistol in the house.

[NYC_SKP]

39. PSA says pack it in your book bag and bring it into class!!! No, really, that's what they're sayin'

Good grief these people!

[ileus]

37. What stupid bunch of turdmashers thought this up???

Ignorance knows no bounds I suppose.

[Fred Sanders]

44. Indeed, it does not.

[Fred Sanders]

43. Awesome post. Stop Gun Violence. Easy access to guns, guns, everywhere is a menace to all of us.

Our children deserve a safe world.

"Can you take this away, I do not feel safe with a gun in my house?", he said, as he surrendered the killing machine.

Wise kid.

Even if 99 out of 100 gun owning folks are "responsible" gun owners, that still leaves hundreds of thousands of irresponsible ones with a killing machine in their irresponsible clutches.

One is too many.

[NYC_SKP]

46. So, you advocate bringing a BB pistol to school and dropping on teacher's desk?

I had higher hopes for you, grasshopper.

Do not be taken in by the charlatans who would have you first fear for the child and then for the students and then for the teacher.

Only to find that the lad pulled a BB pistol out of the dresser and brought it to school.

That's a pretty stupid thing to do, dangerously stupid.

Please be more observant.

Tomorrow we'll review margin of error and the reliability of longitudinal studies for various research designs.

Rest up, there will be a quiz.

[Fred Sanders]

48. You do realize they used actors and props and it is not real? Good thing there were no graphs.

Like this one:

[NYC_SKP]

52. That Mexico is excluded from your handy dandy gun talk poster proves the propaganda.

I know it's been widely distributed, but it ain't real.

Mexico and 18 other countries are conveniently excluded.

The term "developed world" is used very deceptively to exclude countries that might dull the intended effect.

It's based, usually, on very subjective criteria.

[Fred Sanders]

53. Here are some more countries....no change...America far is number 1:

[NYC_SKP]

55. Same fucking problem, it excludes 17 countries with higher rates.

And even if we want to accept your charts and data, the obvious solution is NOT impossible gun bans or more regulation, it's tightening up and refining existing law and then enforcing the HELL out of it.

Further, treating mental illness and expanding economic opportunities and improving education and restoring hope will do more to reduce violence and despair FAR more than more gun control.

It doesn't work and nobody wants it, my friend.

[Fred Sanders]

58. No need to fly off the handlegrip, facts are your friend. Love how you think being better than

lawless banana republics is seen as so wonderful.

What banana republics do you have on your list?

[kioa]

90. The USA is 103rd in murder rate.

Life in the USA isn't scary.

Get out more.
Your irrational fear is based on your ignorance & your ignorance is preyed upon by Bloomberg's fear mongering.
Stop being afraid. Stop being taken advantage of.
Learn something.

[friendly_iconoclast]

106. If one were unkind, one could call overblown fears like those ...paranoia

[Fred Sanders]

54. Here are some more, with Mexico and undeveloped countries....no change...America far is number 1.

[NYC_SKP]

56. Good grief.

You're killing me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

[Fred Sanders]

57. Swaziland has a higher rate, give you that, a few other banana republics...my God, do you really

not see the carnage compared to comparable nations? Proud to be just behind Mexico? Just above bottom of the barrel for you?

[Nuclear Unicorn]

67. According to this graphic Mexico has a higher gun death rate than the US despite having 1/5 the guns

[Fred Sanders]

72. Yes, yes, it does, isn't America grand in comparison?...?...blood soaked, Mexico drug cartel infested

Mexico is worse for homicidal gun murders, so no need for gun control in America, we can all sneer at Mexico to soothe ourselves and make absurd comments on commet boards about.

That is a conservative mindset, not a progressive one.

Truly absurd logic and thought, remarkable. Case studies.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

76. You really have nothing except insults. You started the argument claiming the mere presence of guns

leads to homicides. Yet, when your own arguments demonstrated this to not be the case you get nasty and continue your farcical charade of being the sole decider of who can and cannot be a Progressive (while making the Republican billionaire Bloomberg -- who instituted stop and frisk to harass minorities -- an honorary Progressive).

Progressives rely on facts and allow facts, not their emotions, to determine their position. Progressives do not need to rely on insults in a sad attempt to brow-beat people into not speaking their minds. Progressives do not seek to dominate, manipulate and control every facet of people's lives. Progressives recognize a woman's right to exert control over her own body.

YOU are not a Progressive.

[Fred Sanders]

77. The NRA is the most mysoginistic group in America next to the fundies, you embrace them...it is all

I and any progressive need to know really, you folks are predictiable caricatures of the NRA, a name you dare not speak.

Nice of you to jump in and also dare not mention the topic of violent gun killing machine deaths in America versus Mexico, as if one being worse makes the other better, you really do not see your illogical thinking?

[Nuclear Unicorn]

78. "The NRA is the most mysoginistic group in America next to the fundies"

You should learn to spell "misogynistic" before trying to man-splain to me when I should and should not feel offended.

[Fred Sanders]

80. LOl. Mentioning the NRA here is always a three point jumper.

About Mexico then, amigo?

[Nuclear Unicorn]

81. You hide behind incessantly repeating this NRA talking point of yours.

Yet, all the while you refuse to acknowledge women have the right to defend themselves and you do so while man-splaining how women should feel about the depiction of women with guns. Someone who doesn't like empowered women and feels entitled to tell them what to think while being condescending to the thoughts and feelings of women makes for some serious red flags.

[Fred Sanders]

82. Do men also feel so "empowered" with a pistol in their pocket?

Three point jumper, followed by a foul. Four pointer! The crowd goes wild!

[Nuclear Unicorn]

84. Oh, so now women defending themselves is just a game to you. It's all about "scoring" is it?

[Fred Sanders]

85. NRA. NRA. Three cheers for the progressive and liberal, loving NRA, you might as well cheer along.

Obvious now what team you are on.....for all to see.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

86. My refusal to sacrifice my rights to self-defense are not support for the NRA. However,

Obvious now what team you are on.....for all to see.

You refuse to acknowledge a woman's right to self-defense. By your own reckoning that makes it, "Obvious now what team you are on.....for all to see."

[friendly_iconoclast]

108. All that mansplaining reminded me of iverglas's whitesplaining of the same subject

Hold your nose and read down, you'll find much of the same rigidity, self-righteousness,
and overweening sense of privilege:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x447729

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x459922#460759

As the saying goes, "Great minds..."

[NYC_SKP]

133. Excellent. Bookmarking!

Thank you!

[friendly_iconoclast]

134. Some more whitesplaining from a DU gun control advocate

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php/http:/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x366156

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

89. With such a useful analogy in mind...

...a penis reference would have to be considered a foul.

[Fred Sanders]

92. What penis reference? You gun guys have strange affections for guns....

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

97. I see some footnotes and disclaimers are needed

"With such a useful analogy in mind a penis reference would have to be considered a foul."

Note: No specific penis reference(s), actual or implied, is(are) the target of this conjecture.
No call-outs, overt or implied, are intended and any similarity to any actual call-out(s) is/are purely coincidental.
No basketball players were harmed in the writing of this reply.
(non-attorney spokesperson)

[Fred Sanders]

98. Stop posting to me please, I beg you, you guys are cracking me up, I'm waking up the kids.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

99. somebody had to do it

A penny saved is worth two in the bush, isn't it?
And don't cross the road if you can't get out of the kitchen.

[Straw Man]

104. Why do they hate gin?

Is it a temperance thing?

[ileus]

47. Didn't Adam Lanza steal his parents gun and take it to school?

Odd that a gun control group would be promoting more of what they claim to oppose.

[tradewinds]

50. Yes, I believe he did.

[DonP]

49. If this was an NRA program, I'm sure there'd be a very different response

I'd have to wipe the foam and spittle from the inside of my screen every few minutes from the usual suspects, ranting about how evil and stupid the NRA is and how it's endangering children again.

But I guess getting children to turn in their evil gun owning parents is always a good idea to the more simple minded, even if it endangers other children.

Greater Good and all that y'know.

[ileus]

51. Maybe the NRA would have shown him clearing the chamber before stealing it.

And many look to these gun control groups like they're some kind of public safety stewards.

[DonP]

83. Their whole "Gun Safety" idiom is a lie

Gun Safety = No Guns

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Why tell kids how to safely deal with a firearm since, in theory, they will get rid of all of them any day now.

My favorite weasels are the ignorant ones that demonize the Eddie Eagle program but obviously have never seen any of the material.

"It's just an indoctrination program by the NRA to sell more guns". What a maroon.

[Fred Sanders]

95. Yes, want to be safe with guns? Do not be around one! Look how these "progressives" defend the

vile and evil NRA.

Are they really that obtuse that they think no one will notice?

Now go clean the spittle off the screen so you can read this.

[DonP]

100. Fred, that's the dumbest friggin thing I've seen from you ... so far today

But we all have confidence that you'll surpass that any moment.

Gun ownership is a fact of life that won't change. "Get used to disappointment" - Dread Pirate Roberts/Wesley

Not only are you and your kind ineffective but you are utterly irrelevant to the discussion. Funny, but irrelevant.

I have two more full concealed carry classes scheduled for January. In the meantime all you can do is whine online.

Enjoy your latest stay on DU.

[Fred Sanders]

96. Indoctrination program of the beloved and sainted NRA that obviously works on some, for sure.

Tell little Eddie to stop twitching his finger, that is powerful killing machine you want him to be safe with, thst is why all the safety training is vital, it is not just an inanimate object....hilarious stuff.

Have a nice day, really.

[petronius]

63. Ill-conceived and ineffective, IMO

I get that they want to be edgy and attention-grabbing with the gun-in-school tease, but as others have pointed out it's a terrible suggestion for a kid to carry a gun around school all day and then spring it on a teacher. Anyone who takes this as 'advice' will almost certainly be in a world of trouble.

As a PSA, I think it's really flawed: the tag "stop gun violence" is there, but how? By doing what? Supporting who? Any viewer who agrees with the sentiment is going to be left hanging at a sense of 'oh yeah, I agree with that...' and nothing else. Even a closing screen with messages about safe storage, or ways to really get rid of an unwanted gun safely, or places to donate/volunteer, would be improvements...

[ManiacJoe]

64. Great way to get the kid expelled and jailed on multiple felonies.

Major fail.

[kioa]

70. Kids should steal guns and take them to school to stay safe.

Gun controllers just took 'out of touch' and cognitive dissonance into new and exciting heights.

I approve of this video wholeheartedly.
I hope it gets a lot of attention.

[Fred Sanders]

75. The video shows the boy turning in the gun and saying he does not feel safe with a gun around....

so it is the opposite of your ridiculous NRA position...but your endorsement of the message of the video that guns are dangerous killing machines is much appreciated.

[kioa]

88. Being against gun theft & taking a gun to school is the opposite

position of virtually everybody.

Gun Controllers are painfully (and hilariously) out of touch.

But why focus on our differences? I wholeheartedly support this PSA getting as much air time as possible.
I can't tell you how much it tickles me that you agree.

[Fred Sanders]

91. Another NRA lover pretending to be a progressive.....there are a few here I see...the NRA is a

great organization, would you not say?

After all their message is identical to yours......and you call yourself a progressive, do you now, laddy?

I hear Ted Nugent is looking for help in converting liberals to gun fun and killer machine fun loving.

[kioa]

93. Democratic Party platform & President Obama both agree that the 2nd supports an individual right to

keep and bear arms.

They both also prefer the Democratic Party winning elections & after the debacle of the last midterm, you are not only out of touch but also utterly irrelevant.

Your authoritarianism is a political liability for the Democratic Party & is an embarrassment to liberalism.

[Fred Sanders]

94. Tell that to the NRA you so love....and avoid mentioning....so predicative it is verging on boring.

[kioa]

103. Tell it to Bloomberg.

The Democratic Party platform & President Obama both state that the 2nd protects the individual right to keep and bear arms.

You are an extremist authoritarian, out of touch with the American people, the Democratic Party & reality.
Deal with it.

[Fred Sanders]

107. Care to mention what the rest of President Obama 's platform and Democratic platform is beyond that

simple minded out of context generalization?

Really you gun killing machine folk are worse than the NRA and Republicans as to tsking things out of context and then blindly repeating them..."you did build that"..you truly are on the wrong site. Maybe not...

Join your NRA brethren at Fox, as if you are not already all there, right?

You folks dare not even breath a word about the NRA...it is so obvious....which is what makes it fun.

[friendly_iconoclast]

109. You are making a habit of falsely accusing others of supporting the NRA:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=157639

You were asked for evidence, you have yet to produce any:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=157651

Kindly desist.

[Fred Sanders]

110. Oh, because all questions asked on the Internet demand answers or else....what?

You will declare a cyber war?

I got my digital army ready to go, it's on!

[friendly_iconoclast]

114. You told an untruth about me, and it now appears you're starting in on others

If you're *that* flagrantly wrong about that, why should anyone believe what you say?

You need reminding that:

"disagrees with Fred Sanders in re guns" != "supports the NRA"

[Fred Sanders]

115. Yes, nice summary of my position. 100% correct.

Support any single thing the NRA supports, your progressive creeds, if any, will be severely tarnished.

[friendly_iconoclast]

117. Since you are *demonstrably* wrong about me, why should we believe you...

...about anything else?:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/117277229

It's official: the NRA is a Republican super-PAC with a gun club attached. Perhaps one of our resident NRA members can tell us how the NRA explained away his assault weapon ban in Massachusetts-
and if they are going to resign from what is now officially a GOP front.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2143647

How about "not blatantly in the tank for the Republican Party", for starters?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023469891

Not Just A Novelty Item: Get to Know the Americans You'd Least Expect to Fancy the Firearm

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023469891#post53

I doubt that. If someone is open enough to go beyond their comfort zone...

...(as in the case of the author of the linked article), or unwilling to cede ownership of gun politics solely to extremists on both sides they might very well find the LGC congenial.

I'll concede that there are two sorts that will never be willing to give the LGC a chance-

a) The NRA leadership and those even further Right (Gun Owners of America, et al) simply because they despise liberals and progressives with the burning hatred of a thousand suns, and

b) Hard-core gun haters who need a Great Satan in the convenient form of the NRA.
The mere existence of the LGC fucks up their narrative of "Gun owner= trogolodyte"

[Fred Sanders]

119. Nice summary of exposing desperate attempts to shield the NRA, I proudly stand behind all I say

avout them and and false progressives thst heart them.

Equating Ted Nugent as extreme as Bloomberg, you guys make it all the more obvious the more you struggle to explain the hypocrisy.

[friendly_iconoclast]

128. Now you're just flat-out denying reality. Here's some more evidence you're full of it:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172116375

I like the term "National Republican Armory". Feel free to use it!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=467456

16. Touched a nerve, did I? Point is, if you're going to support the policies of, or quote from, MAIG...
you should be aware that its proprietor has more than a little unprogressive baggage of his own- just like the NRA does.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2125763

friendly_iconoclast (10,876 posts)
16. Newsflash: Not everyone that disagrees with you is NRA.

Believe it or not, the NRA is generally abhorred by most (including myself) posters in the Gungeon for their obvious shilling for the Republicans.

[kioa]

111. It's not out of context.

"President Obama strongly believes that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to bear arms.
That's never been in question."

-Official White House response.

“I would note that the president has a strong record of support for Second Amendment rights.”

-White House Press Secretary Jay Carney

"We recognize that the individual right to bear arms is an important part of the American tradition, and we will preserve Americans' Second Amendment right to own and use firearms."

-Democratic Party platform

Your radical authoritarianism is rejected by the President, the Democratic Party & the American people.
Deal with it.

[Fred Sanders]

112. Rinse, repeat, rinse repeat. Fucking yawn.

[kioa]

116. If by "rinse" you mean "facts".

The facts, just like the American people, the Democratic Party platform & President Obama, all disagree with your anti-rights authoritarian viewpoint.
Deal with it.

[friendly_iconoclast]

118. Factose intolerance is a common occurance in the doctrinaire

[blueridge3210]

125. When one has neither the facts nor the law on their sides

as Fred Sanders; then lies and slander are all that are left. Business as usual. Yawn.

[virginia mountainman]

71. Just more proof that the gun control advocates do not live in the real world.

They create a video that is supposed to "tug our heartstrings" but the reality of it the kid, we are supposed to feel sorry for would be:

A, Pretty much arrested on the spot, if not shot and killed on the spot by a panicked school resource officer.
B, Would make national headlines, as reports of "lockdowns" and "gunman in school" goes out live on CNN/MSNBC/Fox as they all break into normal programming..
C, Face multiple Felonies, would definitely be spending a lot of time in jail (if charged as an adult which is likely)
D, Would be breaking many laws that the folks that created the video demanded...
E, Once he got out of "custody" his future would be very bleak, since he got expelled, and is now a felon would probably became ineligible for collage grants and scholarships due to his legal "issues".... "Would you like fries with that?" Would be a term he would be saying for the rest of his life, if he is lucky...

Just another utter fail, on those that live in their imagination.

[mwrguy]

102. He should turn it into the police.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

105. Cops are killing people -- kids included -- simply for holding BB guns and airsoft rifles.

What makes you think this scenario would turn out any better?

And considering the gun in the ad hasn't been used in a crime the police would be obligated to return it.

[friendly_iconoclast]

113. The best comment on YouTube came from a teenager

Ok, so I'm 15.
That kid looks to be at least my age, if not older.
If he's so scared of a inanimate object, in his mom's room, in a drawer, yet he has the 'courage' to pick it up, steal it, take it on school property, and then give it to a teacher, then he's a nut job.
If he's that scared, he wouldn't be able to bare knowing he had a gun with him, not just sitting upstairs in a drawer.

So, let's review the crimes committed & fitting punishments for this video:
1st, he stole the firearm from his mother, which is a felony.
2nd, He carries a concealed, deadly, weapon without a permit, depending on what state you're in It can range from a misdemeanor to a felony.
Then, he brings it on School property, also a felony.

"IV. STOLEN FIREARM, AMMUNITION OR EXPLOSIVE:
18 USC §§842(h); 922(i), (j) & (u). Punishable by up to 10 years imprisonment.
A. May not receive, possess, conceal, store, pledge or accept as security for a loan, barter, sell or
ship or transport across a state line any stolen firearm, ammunition or explosive.
B. May not steal or unlawfully take or carry away a firearm from the person or premises of a
firearms licensee.

V. FIREARM IN A SCHOOL ZONE:
18 USC § 922(q)(2)(A). Punishable by up to 5 years imprisonment.
A. Except as authorized, may not possess or discharge a firearm in a school zone."

-Federal Firearm Laws

And, as mentioned earlier, not having a permit ranges in punishment.

Your video is promoting minors to commit felonies, which I believe that in itself is a felony.
So congratulations! You possibly just committed a felony!

[Matrosov]

120. It's irresponsible

Encouraging children to take guns out of the house is extremely irresponsible.

His backpack might get stolen
A friend looking to borrow a pen or pencil might find the weapon
He could get arrested for carrying a concealed weapon
He could get arrested for having a weapon on campus
He could get expelled

I've said before that I don't think there is a place for firearms in our society, and even I find this idiotic

[Fred Sanders]

121. It is lovely and life saving he turned the killing machine in to an authority figure, a brave and intelligent young

man who will surely grow up to be a true progressive on gun control.

He may have saved many lives with this heroic act of love.

[Straw Man]

122. You hear that, kids?

It is lovely and life saving he turned the killing machine in to an authority figure, a brave and intelligent young

man who will surely grow up to be a true progressive on gun control.

He may have saved many lives with this heroic act of love.

Turn in your parents! It's for the greater good! The authority figures are your friends!



On a more somber note, what the mother is guilty of -- marginally unsafe storage, given that her son is obviously old enough to understand the dangers of firearms -- pales in comparison to junior's violations of both law and common safety practices.

[sarisataka]

123. I think this is my last one

I hand out so many

Make sure you fill it

[sarisataka]

124. just to satisfy my curiosity

anything else kids should bring to school to turn in?
narcotics, marijuana, alcohol, a Bible, birth control, oily rags..?

[friendly_iconoclast]

129. Do you often encourage young people to bring handguns to school?

[friendly_iconoclast]

130. HA! The creator reposted it and is blocking comments

Wonder why?

[friendly_iconoclast]

131. Better yet, other antigun types are throwing her under the bus:

http://www.vocativ.com/culture/society/gun-violence-psa-director-rejina-sincic/

Creator of Controversial Gun Violence PSA Defends Herself

...Despite the relentless attacks, those who share Sincic’s perspective haven’t exactly rushed to her defense. In fact, one of the country’s leading gun control advocacy groups on Tuesday all-but threw her under the bus, suggesting that she may have been hired by right wing activists to stir controversy and anger.

“I smell a rat here,” Ladd Everitt, a spokesman for the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, told Vocativ on Tuesday. “To me, this reeks of something that’s been planted.”

“It’s shocking how this suddenly went viral on right wing media when no one in our movement is promoting this video,” Everitt continued. “I’m actively questioning who this woman is. And I’d like to know who paid for this and why.”

Gee, I've been told recently here at DU that it *gun owners* are the paranoid ones...

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

135. Fear I say

I'm afraid of everything; well everything except guns.

Fear, Fear, Fear, Fear, Fear, Fear, Fear, Fear.

Would a sarcasm thing be good here? I'm even afraid to add one.

[NYC_SKP]

137. And the fact that comments indicated it was, in fact, a Crosman bb pistol.

.....