Angry White American Man

[stone space]

(Crossposted from Religion.)

Hi!



This was originally posted in the religion forum, but a couple of folks there suggested that I crosspost it here, also.

Published on Feb 12, 2015


A song in memory of Deah Barakat, 23, Yusor Abu-Salha, 21, and Razan Abu-Salha, 19, killed on Tuesday, February 10th, 2015 by a deranged man. The particular form of derangement suffered by the killer, Craig Stephen Hicks, is a sort of anti-theist variation of the "disenfranchised white American male with illusions of grandeur" syndrome, and this is what I'm attempting to explore in this composition.

Lyrics:

He was 46 years old, he had 2 parking places
He got angry if one of the residents took one of the visitor spaces
In the apartment complex that might provide one little clue
That this middle-aged man had accomplished little that he set out to do
He spewed anger at all of his neighbors and he hated religion so much
Maybe that's why he moved to the Bible Belt, because hatred is such a good crutch
He spewed anger about all religions with his back against the wall
Why stop at just hating one of them when you can just hate them all

Another angry white American man with a gun
Another angry white American man

He was 46 years old, he didn't live among his peers
Neighbors mostly younger by about 24 years
Neighbors from all over, some in religious dress
But what in hell the man was thinking, we can only try to guess

Another angry white American man with a gun
Another angry white American man

He was 46 years old, his neighbors had a meeting last year
To talk over what they might do about this man they feared
He carried a loaded pistol, no telling what might inspire
Him to pull it out one day and fire, fire, fire

Another angry white American man with a gun
Another angry white American man

Another angry white American man with a gun
Another angry white American man

[Fred Sanders]

1. An added stanza about angry white RACIST man with many guns, and cable news, would complete the picture.

[beevul]

5. Don't forget "militant atheist", but "racist"?

Somehow I doubt it, unless you think that people that like the things that he did on facebook are racists:

https://www.facebook.com/craig.hicks.967

[Fred Sanders]

7. I see 3 dead young Muslims and the real world timeline. Folks wanting to excuse his racism because of a FB page.....free country.

FB postings do not define the person.

[beevul]

8. Say again? In intelligible language this time please. N/T

[Fred Sanders]

9. I refuse to dummy anything down for anyone.

[beevul]

12. It must be a regional thing. Where I come from, we call it attempting to successfully communicate. N

[Fred Sanders]

17. In my region they call it higher reading comprehension.

[beevul]

19. Whatever helps you sleep at night. N/T

[gejohnston]

22. Muslim isn't a race

and he hates all religion equally. If the dispute was with Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, Hindus, or even fellow atheists, the results would be the same. There is no evidence religion was a motivating factor. He is just an asshole who should spend the rest of his life in a cage.

[stone space]

46. This brings back memories.

Muslim isn't a race

Mostly of discussions with clueless conservatives about immigration

The mantra then was, "Mexican isn't a race".

Now the mantra is "Muslim isn't a race".

It's just as annoying now as it was back then.

And just as stupid, too.

[Duckhunter935]

51. muslim is a race?

learn something new every day

[gejohnston]

52. your point?

Who was saying they were?
Muslim is a religion, Mexican is a nationality. George Romney was a Mexican because he was born in Mexico and they have birth right citizenship like we do. He was also a natural born US citizen because of his US citizen parents and was registered with the State Department before the age cut off.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_%28human_classification%29

[Duckhunter935]

55. I have not figured out his point

I do know he posted false information in one of his posts

...by some folks over at the Religion forum, including a couple of regulars here.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172161508#post29

[stone space]

56. My point?

Not original.

Not interesting.

It's the same old teabagger rhetoric that always pops up.

[Duckhunter935]

59. nice insult

[gejohnston]

60. You didn't take anthropology did you?

Yes, but is it inaccurate?

[Duckhunter935]

61. Truly sad, I say

[Duckhunter935]

10. the OP is

a "militant atheist"

[stone space]

13. Yes, I am a militant atheist.

And Hicks is no militant atheist.

Militant atheists don't need to carry Gods of Metal strapped to our hips.

We somehow manage to make it thru life without any Gods.

[Duckhunter935]

16. you sure seem to speak for him

he had a firearm yes, how are you to know he worshiped it as a god. Did he leave anything that said it was his god or are you just making unsubstantiated claims with no basis in fact.

How are you able to come up with this conclusion? I take his word for it that he was indeed an atheist even though I guess you know better.

By the way, I have firearms and I do not worship them and they are not my god.

[stone space]

20. The problem with crossposts.

I take his word for it that he was indeed an atheist even though I guess you know better.

I've already addressed this issue in the religion forum.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1218183183#post2

I generally accept the legitimacy and authenticity of ones religions beliefs.

This is something that I do out of respect for the individuals involved.

But there are limits to that respect.

I think it may have been you who sent me a link to a video in which somebody said (I forget the guy's name) something like, "I'm not so interested in what you believe, but rather how you believe it".

To me, actions speak much louder than words, and are much more important in judging legitimacy and authenticity.

It is possible for somebody's actions to make me lose all respect for them, at which point I don't care much about hurting their delicate fee-fees.

I realize that for many, shunning is inherently bad (and many times in practice it is indeed bad), and folks who engage in it are pelted with internet memes, but if a Scotsman picks up a gun and proceeds to go on a killing spree, I'm really not interested in his opinions of what it means to be a Scotsman.

As far as I am concerned, he lost his right to pontificate on such matters the moment he picked up a gun.

And if that hurts his delicate fee-fees, then so be it.

I just don't care.

I really don't.

If you really want to impress me with the authenticity and legitimacy of your beliefs, then show me by your actions why your beliefs deserve to be respected. I want to know how you believe, not what you believe

Don't go on a murder spree and then turn around and expect me to respect your beliefs out of some sort of misguided political correctness because of some stupid internet meme.

Internet memes are a dime a dozen.

[Duckhunter935]

25. I am sorry but you sir, raised the level of his

worshiping his gun as a god, not us. We both seem to agree he was an atheist, you are the one that changed it to gun worship.

[stone space]

38. Uh...no

We both seem to agree he was an atheist

An atheist not only talks the talk, he also walks the walk

[Duckhunter935]

40. and what walk is that?

he went to a church, mosque or temple?

[stone space]

42. The walk of an atheist...

..is a walk without the help of any God.

[Duckhunter935]

44. seems to have fit that definition

as a firearm is not a god

[phil89]

105. Look up the definition of a god

Guns aren't gods. Killing people with a gun does not mean you worship guns. You're not helping advance skepticism and rational thought with such silliness.

[beevul]

33. The fact that you arbitrarily attribute attributes to others, remains.

The fact that you arbitrarily attribute attributes to others, with little to no evidence, remains.

The fact that you "don't want to know" certain things, does not mitigate that in the slightest.

Incidentally, that's a sentiment often expressed by folks on your side of the issue.

[tularetom]

28. Well, he claims to be a militant atheist

Shouldn't that be sufficient, or is there some kind of ID card or initiation ceremony?

[stone space]

31. Do you have a link where he claims to be a militant atheist?

Well, he claims to be a militant atheist

I haven't seen it, and in any case I don't respect him enough to let him define militant atheism for me.

I'm a militant atheist.

Militant atheists don't go around with Gods of Metal strapped to our belts.

That God thingie is just not for us.

[Duckhunter935]

35. you seem to know this "Gods of Metal"

is there some kind of card or religious site I can check this out at. It seems you know a great deal about this god. Even enough to charge a person of belonging to this faith. Just what evidence do you have of this? I would say about as much as we know he was a "militant Atheist". We at least know from his writings, he was an atheist. I have not seen one thing of him prying to his gun like you say he does.

[stone space]

36. It's an odd sort of atheist who carries a God strapped to his belt.

Anybody can call himself an atheist.

It's easy to talk the talk.

It's harder to walk the walk.

[Duckhunter935]

39. he carried an object

that happened to be a firearm. You seem to be the only one raising that to a level of a god.

[stone space]

41. An object designed and engineered for Omnipotence.

You don't get it, do you?

You seem to be the only one raising that to a level of a god.

I didn't do that.

Craig Hicks did that.

Craig Hick summoned his God with a simple twitch of a finger, and like magic, his God struck 3 Muslims dead.

Apparently he felt inadequate to do the deed himself, without the help of his God.

[Duckhunter935]

45. quite wrong

"An object designed and engineered for Omnipotence."

Nope, an object designed and engineered to safely fire a projectile out of the barrel at a very high speed. Many are used for hunting for food and target shooting.

[stone space]

48. That can be dangerous if you're a Muslim, can't it?

Nope, an object designed and engineered to safely fire a projectile out of the barrel at a very high speed.

It certainly was for these three.

Please tell me how safely it fired for them.

[Duckhunter935]

50. Not safe for anyone that is in front of the barrel

religion does not matter. It was safe for the firearms owner who will be convicted of the murder of the three people.

[stone space]

65. Then it's not safe, is it?

You claimed that it was designed to safely fire a projectile at a high rate of speed.

The design failed, due to faulty engineering, then.

Three Muslims died as a result.

Sounds like an issue of product safety for which the manufacturer should be sued and put out of business.

I'll take your word for it on product design.

So, let's shut down the company.

Their design was faulty.

[Duckhunter935]

76. yes it is

If used properly and following the safety rules. The danger zone is in front of the barrel just as designed. The person doing the murder was not injured per the design of the firearm. So no it was not faulty and operated as designed. Three people died as the result of a man pointing that firearm at them and pulling the trigger and the weapon performed as designed. Now he is charged and convicted of murder as he made that choice and will pay the penalty for his actions. He could have done the same with a knife, rock, truck or car. If he did this with a knife or vehicle, would their design be faulty as well?

[stone space]

79. I suggest plugging the hole in the front of the barrel.

The danger zone is in front of the barrel just as designed.

That way these three Muslims might have survived.

I mean, this is a rather obvious design flaw.

You wouldn't design a pillow that way.

[Duckhunter935]

83. Nope, not a good thing to do

No design flaw and the weapon worked as designed, it propelled a projectile at high speed when the trigger was pulled by the human.

I am sure you would do that to all of the police weapons also then right?

[stone space]

85. Three dead Muslims.

No design flaw and the weapon worked as designed

[beevul]

81. I've heard the phrase "bombed back to the stone age"....

I've heard the phrase "bombed back to the stone age", but this is a new one even on me.

By your interlocutors logic, we'd be "BANNED" back to the stone age.

Up to and including sticks and rocks.

[stone space]

109. So plug it.

The danger zone is in front of the barrel just as designed.

[Duckhunter935]

110. You can

I will not on any of mine.

[stone space]

111. I alread posted the same thing above. (Or below?)

I can't tell which posts reply to which any more.

We're too far in the right margin of the page for that.

[phil89]

106. You claimed

It was engineered for omnipotence. Can you support this claim? It doesn't even make sense.

[stone space]

117. Is said Omnipotence a design flaw?

It was engineered for omnipotence. Can you support this claim?

If so, there should be a law...

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

118. re: "...Sounds like an issue of product safety..."

Sounds like a disingenuous moronic argument from someone grasping at straws.

[DonP]

121. And they say we're compensating ...

... for our insecurities.

There's a whole boatload at work with that one.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

126. Maybe I made his ignore list.

I can hope.

[DonP]

127. I'm sure that will keep you up nights LoL N/T

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

128. LOL ROFL

Finding out is on my 'to-do' list. It's between go to an opera and sell Amway.

[DonP]

129. One thing I have noticed ...

... not taking them seriously and outright laughing at them drives them totally nuts.

But after all, we're "people that want more dead kids", so how much more tasteless and heartless can we be?

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

130. IMHO, you're suffering from...

..."illusions of grandeur"

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Illusions+of+Grandeur

[Duckhunter935]

49. so is a knife or a rock a god? A car a god?

I guess so as that is what you are saying. Nice to know that fact.

There’s a case out of Los Angeles that Crime Feed is tracking and it involves a 43-year-old mother who was fatally stabbed to death during a dispute over a parking spot.

The attack occurred reportedly the week before last, but authorities announced Thursday that two people – a man and a woman – would be charged with murder.

According to a Whittier Police department press release, officers were called around 9:30 p.m. to the Santa Fe Springs Swap Meet for a fight in the parking lot. When responding officers arrived, they found the victim, Elizabeth Yanez, on the ground. The police press release said she had been stabbed multiple times in her back and neck and officers immediately began to administer medical aide. Unfortunately, the victim later died at UCI Medical Center.

http://crimefeed.com/2014/10/police-mother-murdered-parking-space-front-children/

Or this other one killed with another deadly weapon

Police there say Brian Stevensen, an off-duty Baltimore police detective, got into an argument with another man over a parking space. The argument ended when the man, Sian James, allegedly struck Stevensen on the head with a chunk of concrete, killing him.

It's hard to believe that someone would take someone's life over something as trivial as a dispute over a parking space. But that's what road rage is all about

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/officer-killed-over-parking-spot-in-baltimore-another-victim-of-road-rage/

LOS ANGELES (AP) — Former hip-hop music mogul Marion "Suge" Knight was charged Monday with murder and attempted murder after he struck two men with his pickup truck last week.

Prosecutors allege that Knight intended to run down a friend and another man after an argument on a movie set. One of the men was killed.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/02/suge-knight-murder-charge_n_6600044.html

[stone space]

54. Come on. A knife, a block of concrete, and a pickup truck.

You couldn't find a single article of somebody smothered with a pillow?

I'm disappointed in you.

I really am.

I know that somebody was smothered with a pillow.

We all know it happens.

Surely with all of the resources of google at your fingertips you can find a story of somebody being smothered with a pillow.

I bet that I could find one.

Why can't you?

Instead it's that same old block of concrete.

[Duckhunter935]

58. can't admit it, can you?

same thing, using an object to take another life. You are the one saying that object is a god. I just asked you to confirm that fact. trapped with your own argument.

Yep, I guess a pillow can be a god also

The Mamaroneck mother, 48, became emotional when prosecutors, as part of the hearing, asked her questions about the day she used helium, drugs and finally a pillow to kill Jason "Jake" Reish.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/09/19/ny-mom-admits-she-smothered-son/15871055/

[stone space]

75. I knew you could do it! (nt)

[clffrdjk]

95. Would you pick a place to stand.

Is he or is he not an atheist?
Why on earth does it matter?

militant
[ ˈmilətənt ]
ADJECTIVE
combative and aggressive in support of a political or social cause, and typically favoring extreme, violent, or confrontational methods:
"a militant nationalist"
synonyms: aggressive · violent · belligerent · bellicose · vigorous · forceful · More

Seems to me that a militant anything would have a weapon or access to one.
I have never seen a polytheistic "atheist" before, you have claimed so many gods in this thread that even the ATF cant keep track of the number.

[petronius]

71. Is it the classical Gods of Metal, or the contemporary?

In classical times, of course, the only God of Metal that mattered was Hephaestus.

In the modern era, however, there are four Gods of Metal: Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, and Slayer (according to the Book of Urban Dictionary, that is)...

[Duckhunter935]

73. Good one

[beevul]

86. Metal Church

I think that's the implication.

[Duckhunter935]

88. could be

I found out he also thinks knives, trucks, rocks and pillows are also gods. who knew that? Learn something every day

[beevul]

89. I don't know why this comes to mind, but it does.

[pablo_marmol]

114. And a poor excuse for an atheist you are, sir.

Militant atheists don't need to carry Gods of Metal strapped to our hips.

The majority of atheists I know don't have faith-based beliefs of any kind, and are skeptical of what the media tells them. You, on the other hand, swallow up what gun violence-ignorant MSNBC hosts tell you and ignore what liberal criminologists have to say on the matter.

So while you deride "gun worshippers" who carry "Gods of Metal strapped to their hips" you worship the false gods of ideology driven and willfully ignorant talking heads.

[stone space]

116. Craig Hicks had faith in his God of Metal.

His God gave him strength and courage.

And that day, when faced with three Muslims who he hated, when Hicks couldn't kill them on his own, he summoned his God to do the dirty deed for him, with a tiny twitch of a finger.

And like magic, Craig Hicks' God struck three Muslims dead.

Craig Hicks worshipped a vengeful God, a God of Metal who likes to micromanage and intervene in the world's affairs when His faithful call on Him in prayer.

But his God is also a fickle God.

Because now, Hicks is in jail, and his God has abandoned him.

[pablo_marmol]

135. Blah blah blah........yap yap yap.................

Your anecdotal "evidence" fails. Of course that's all you've got, so you keep trotting it out, since overall crime stats don't support your religion.

C-Ya, faux-atheist!

[Electric Monk]

2. Cross-posting in both groups seems appropriate, but I bet you'll take some heat for it here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1262&pid=8143

[stone space]

3. I took some heat for it there, also...lol.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1218182233

[Duckhunter935]

24. Rightly so from what I read nt

[hack89]

4. There seems to be no shortage of angry men of all races in America

I can't remember a time when everyone I meet seems so stressed out.

[Duckhunter935]

11. and some angry woman too

[Duckhunter935]

6. A very sad and ugly thing he did

seems to have had a thing against religion and parking spots. Yes, he appeared to have a CCW license and used that firearm to murder three people. That does not change the fact that CCW holders on the whole are much more law abiding than the general public. I hope he goes to jail for a very long time. It also does not take into account that alcohol and distracted driving kill many more innocent people.

Go ahead and write your song but also think about writing a song for this mother and officer who were also was killed with a deadly weapon. Of course there is no outrage for them, is there?

There’s a case out of Los Angeles that Crime Feed is tracking and it involves a 43-year-old mother who was fatally stabbed to death during a dispute over a parking spot.

The attack occurred reportedly the week before last, but authorities announced Thursday that two people – a man and a woman – would be charged with murder.

According to a Whittier Police department press release, officers were called around 9:30 p.m. to the Santa Fe Springs Swap Meet for a fight in the parking lot. When responding officers arrived, they found the victim, Elizabeth Yanez, on the ground. The police press release said she had been stabbed multiple times in her back and neck and officers immediately began to administer medical aide. Unfortunately, the victim later died at UCI Medical Center.

http://crimefeed.com/2014/10/police-mother-murdered-parking-space-front-children/

Or this other one killed with another deadly weapon

Police there say Brian Stevensen, an off-duty Baltimore police detective, got into an argument with another man over a parking space. The argument ended when the man, Sian James, allegedly struck Stevensen on the head with a chunk of concrete, killing him.

It's hard to believe that someone would take someone's life over something as trivial as a dispute over a parking space. But that's what road rage is all about

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/officer-killed-over-parking-spot-in-baltimore-another-victim-of-road-rage/

[stone space]

14. Damn. You could have stopped with knives to make your point.

Do you worry a lot about being attacked with chunks of concrete?

[blueridge3210]

18. His point seems pretty clear to all but the deliberately obtuse.

There are no "dangerous" weapons, only dangerous people. These people can make a deadly weapon out of anything at hand. I don't worry about being attacked with chunks of concrete; I am, however, aware that dangerous people do exist.

[Duckhunter935]

23. Thank you

I love the selective outrage of some. I also love how he knows for a fact that the man prayed to his gun as a god. I could say something snarky but I am going to bite my tongue.

[blueridge3210]

27. Sometimes the old Heinlein comes in handy (nt)

[Duckhunter935]

21. nope

but many things can be used as a deadly weapon, not just guns. Might want to rethink that song now, right? Cars are much more available than guns and require no background checks or license to own. Why not the same level of outrage at these incidents of murder?

Mogul Marion (Suge) Knight has been busted on suspicion of murder for allegedly driving onto the set of "Straight Outta Compton" on Thursday and running down two people with his truck, killing one of them, cops said.

Knight fled the scene in California, cops said, and ditched his red Ford F-150 Raptor. He “was in the wind” on Thursday night, but he and his lawyer arrived at the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department station in West Hollywood station about 12:30 a.m. Friday, California time, The Los Angeles Times reported. Homicide detectives initially questioned him as a person of interest, before he was charged about 3 a.m., according to police. His bail is set at $2 million.

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/suge-knight-ran-killed-man-fight-film-set-article-1.2097153

Witnesses and police say a man intentionally ran over three people, killing two and critically injuring the other, after a street fight early New Year’s Day on Tucson’s south side.

Later in the day, police detained a man for questioning in the case. He was taken into custody at a home in the 200 block of East Adams Street, near North Sixth Avenue.

http://tucson.com/news/local/crime/tucson-police-man-intentionally-ran-over-people-killing/article_305ade32-a164-5788-aa77-59fc0d570c58.html

[stone space]

26. You know, Daily Kos went thru this same thing.

Guns ARE more dangerous than pillows

by rasbobbo

It seems to me any rational discussion of gun laws has to begin with this as a bottom line stipulation. You may not see this as a huge leap, but I can assure you, to many 2nd amendment absolutists, it is the Grand Canyon.

See, the argument goes; you can kill somebody with a car, too. Or a baseball bat, or a plastic bag, or a pillow. They are all inanimate objects & equally dangerous, or equally non dangerous. I've had some folks break it down for me molecularly; it's just a bunch of molecules arranged in a certain way, none of those molecules is inherently dangerous, so how could one arrangement be more dangerous than another? Facile nonsense, to me, but it is an argument I hear all the time.

Yes indeed, cars do kill people - a lot of people. Cars are dangerous machines. We recognize that & have certain registration & licensing procedures because we recognize that. Further, to operate your motor vehicle in public we require insurance & further licensing licensing that requires certain knowledge & physical skills. You may have to prove you can parallel park your vehicle. I do not know what the ballistic equivalent of parallel parking would be, but I am reasonably sure that the overwhelming majority of handgun owners/carriers have never passed such a test.

The wise wise heads on the Supreme Court have determined that by birth, every American is given the right to own a loaded handgun. I don't think they made the leap to "handguns are not dangerous."

The even wiser heads in the Arizona State legislature have determined that it is appropriate for the citizens in this state to carry concealed firearms pretty much anywhere - bars, cars, churches, Jack-in-the-Box, you name it. Some of the really superior thinkers in the State legislature have said the more people packing heat the safer everybody is. That college classes full of armed students would be safer environments for learning. (Question: Who gets to sit in the back?)

I know I live in a country with about as many guns as people. I know those guns are not going to go away. I know many Americans just love their guns & many see any sort of restriction as the first step toward taking their love away. In fact, I found a friend of mine's reason for owning the dozen or so that he has, "I just like 'em," as compelling as any 2nd amendment, fight tyranny, self defense argument. I don't want to take everyone's guns away Not even if it was possible - which it is not.

Can we not, as a starting point at least in any discussion of firearms & firearms safety, at least acknowledge that a loaded handgun is more dangerous than a pillow? I've posited this here on dkos a couple of times & gotten a lot of vehement denials. Not surprising to me really. What is surprising is that not one of the "safe, sane, there should be training," folks ever finds their way into a thread to say, "c'mon, of course it's more dangerous. That's why I lock mine up." "That's why I don't give my six year old a loaded gun when he goes to sleep." "That's why I don't just leave it loaded on the coffee table." Nope, when it comes to the most basic of admissions, that a loaded handgun is more dangerous than a pillow, the safe, sane folk are really quiet.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/01/20/937642/-Guns-ARE-more-dangerous-than-pillows#

[Duckhunter935]

32. I stopped here at this gem of selective information

The wise wise heads on the Supreme Court have determined that by birth, every American is given the right to own a loaded handgun. I don't think they made the leap to "handguns are not dangerous."

They also said there could be limits and people could rightly be prohibited and lose that right to own a firearm. Firearm ownership can also be limited in scope, It is not legal unless you have a special license to own a short barreled shotgun or rifle, machine gun or noise suppressor.

No one says firearms can not do harm, that is what they are designed to do. They function as designed and can be very safe if the proper rules are followed. They should be treated with the utmost respect at all times.

[stone space]

34. Why should I respect your God?

They should be treated with the utmost respect at all times.

What exactly has your God done to earn my respect?

[Duckhunter935]

37. I am an agnostic, not my god

I just do not know and I guess someday I will find out one way or the other.

the firearm is an object of steel or plastic and steel and can cause serious harm if mishandled. I just pass on rules for safety, nothing more. This is quite unlike those "gun safety" organizations.

Please do not tell me who my god is, I think that is kind of presumptuous of you and I think you are better than that.

[virginia mountainman]

15. Still trying to figure out what the post is even about..

Or even why it is here?

{edited to add}

http://www.mcall.com/news/local/allentown/mc-allentown-gun-law-repeal-20150204-story.html

...."Allentown is the third largest city in the state," he said. "It is claiming a renaissance for wealthy, white individuals who wish to be safe. I believe the mayor has a responsibility to join the fight against this law...."

Hero, 1%'er WHITE, ex-Republican, Michael Bloomberg sez....

http://www.aspentimes.com/news/14957190-113/michael-bloomberg-calls-colorados-decision-on-legal-pot-stupid

Bloomberg claimed that 95 percent of murders fall into a specific category: male, minority and between the ages of 15 and 25. Cities need to get guns out of this group’s hands

So what is the problem here? Armed white people, or armed minorities??

O wonder what the OP thinks of this?

[stone space]

29. It was suggested that I crosspost it...

...by some folks over at the Religion forum, including a couple of regulars here.

[Duckhunter935]

43. seems like you might be fibbing a little

who are those regulars that asked you to crosspost?

seems this is the one that suggested it as it really did not meet the SOP of that group.

Goblinmonger
So why isn't this in the gungeon?

Seems like saying this should be in religion is kind of insulting to religion.

This is an anti-gun OP.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1218182233#post25

regular poster here, right

I never step foot in the gungeon

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1218182233#post80

Seems to me, you are just a little loose with the facts

[stone space]

47. Ooooo...you found a guy who doesn't post here.

Cool.

[Duckhunter935]

53. No sir, I pointed out your false statement

that you posted. It might be in your best interest to edit that comment as it is untrue.

[stone space]

57. I can find even more folks who don't post here.

It's not like that's a challenge.

There's a reason for that, you know.

[Duckhunter935]

62. You are the one that said they were regulars here

can't admit you did not tell the truth and were caught. I understand it gets embarrassing.

[stone space]

63. The people who don't post here are not regulars here.

I never claimed that they were.

You found one of them, but they're a dime a dozen, due to the nature of this forum, so I'm really not very impressed with your accomplishment, even though you seem to want a pat on the back for it.

[Duckhunter935]

64. Is this not you post and your words?

stone space
It was suggested that I crosspost it...
...by some folks over at the Religion forum, including a couple of regulars here.

So who are those regulars, what you stated is just not true and you should edit it.

[stone space]

66. Where did I claim that you couldn't find...

...somebody who doesn't post here?

You really aren't being very clear.

[Duckhunter935]

67. Pretty clear to me

...by some folks over at the Religion forum, including a couple of regulars here.

This was posted in this group, HERE being the key word. Here being in this RKBA group. There are no regulars from this group that asked you to crosspost the OP. You have not been able to name any, and I have looked and the only one that made the request stated he never posts in THIS group.

clear enough?

[stone space]

68. Absense of evidence is not evidence of absense.

Furthermore, if I say that my front yard has a couple of four leaf clovers in it, the fact that you can find a single three leaf clover and post it really doesn't prove as much as you seem to think it does.

Three leaf clovers are as common as people who don't post here.

There are lots of them for you to choose from.

[Duckhunter935]

69. Just admit you were caught making false statements

[stone space]

70. I'll admit you found a three leaf clover.

I'm not surprised, given how common they are.

[Duckhunter935]

72. so who are the regular posters?

I am sure you can link to the post asking you to crosspost over here. I bet you will not as they do not exist.

[stone space]

74. Aw come on.

I'm having way too much fun watching you look for three leaf clovers.

If I show you the four leaf clovers, it'll ruin everything.

[Duckhunter935]

78. Because I know you cannot and you

posted false information and were caught. Now you just make jokes. Just proves my point even more.

[stone space]

82. Finding a three leaf clover really doesn't mean...

...quite as much as you seem to think it means.

and were caught

[Duckhunter935]

87. Now all know how you posted untrue statements

I am not the one that has done that. My work is done. It is getting late and I have to work in the morning.

[stone space]

90. Now all know you found a three leaf clover.

I'm cool with that.

[DonP]

77. Fabrication, lies and "mistatements" seem to be requisites for some gun controllers

With their track record it doesn't surprise me.

Must be the frustration of living in a fantasy world, where they actually believe Bloomberg's BS and that 90% of the population agrees with them.

Couple that with 2 decades of successive failures on legislation and all 50 states now with concealed carry. Has to drive them to the antacid aisle at Walgreen's and stretching the truth when needed.

Then, every election they wonder where all the control minded folks went.

[Duckhunter935]

80. very true

not to mention the name calling, insults and sexual references.

[stone space]

84. Not fair.

and sexual references

I haven't even mentioned that, yet.

[blueridge3210]

92. Meh.

Hater are going to hate. Disingenuous bigots are going to play their silly word games to justify their hatred of "the other". Business as usual.

[gejohnston]

30. My state's definition of a deadly weapon

(iv) “Deadly weapon” means but is not limited to a firearm, explosive or incendiary material, motorized vehicle, an animal or other device, instrument, material or substance, which in the manner it is used or is intended to be used is reasonably capable of producing death or serious bodily injury;

http://legisweb.state.wy.us/statutes/titles/Title6/Title6.htm

In Conine v. State the Wyoming Supreme Court ruled a frying pan is a deadly weapon when is used as one. Although I can carry a concealed pistol without a permit, it is illegal to carry a knife with over 3" blade even with one.

[ileus]

93. Angry atheist....another good reason I always carry.

Thanks for posting....helps remind me of the reason I carry.

[stone space]

94. Why do atheists make you want to carry?

Do we scare you?

[clffrdjk]

96. All militant religious wackos are a little scary

I does not matter weather they want to kill or beat me until i believe in their god or until i believe in nothing, its the killing or beating that i take offence to.

[stone space]

97. Does that apply to militant Christians like...

...the one quoted in my sigfile, also?

[clffrdjk]

98. why wouldnt it?

[stone space]

99. You aren't the only one who thought so.

Hence, his assassination.

[clffrdjk]

100. Now that i am off my phone and can actually see your sig

Was he ever Militant? how exactly does he meet the militant definition?
To my knowledge MLK was never militant.

[stone space]

102. MLK was most certainly a militant.

Many militants are nonviolent. Militant pacifism is rather common.

One biographer even referred to MLK as the Apostle of Militant Nonviolence.



Although one can't discount the influence of Ghandi when it comes to militant nonviolence.

Folks have written about him, too.



Both of these militants were assassinated with a gun.

Apparently, they both inspired fear in the hearts of some.

[clffrdjk]

103. militant nonviolence is more of an oxymoron than jumbo shrip.

I gave you the definition of militant, just how does one be militant and nonviolent at the same time?

[stone space]

104. Here's one way to do it.

just how does one be militant and nonviolent at the same time?

All it takes is a red tricycle, and a common garden mattock.

As that old Charlie King song goes, "For swords into plowshares, the hammer has to fall."

[clffrdjk]

113. i definitly see militancy

But where does the nonviolence come in?

[stone space]

115. This is what militant nonviolence looks like

They shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks

Isaiah 2:4

IN THE KING OF PRUSSIA: THE TRIAL OF THE PLOWSHARES 8

IN THE KING OF PRUSSIA: THE TRIAL OF THE PLOWSHARES 8 takes us back to 1982 with Emile de Antonio's portrayal of the Plowshares 8 civic disobedience at General Electric's nuclear weapons plant in King of Prussia, Pennsylvania. The group included Molly Rush, co-founder of the Merton Center. Posting of this cliip celebrates the April 13 visit of Martin Sheen, who plays the judge in the movie, to Pittsburgh, Pa and the Thomas Merton Center. YOU CAN'T HUG A CHILD WITH NUCLEAR ARMS!!!

[clffrdjk]

119. it was a pretty simple question

What part of that was nonviolent?

[stone space]

120. All of it.

What part of that was nonviolent?

[clffrdjk]

122. so breaking and entering

Tresspassing, Felony vandalism while carrying a deadly weapon. All those are nonviolent in your book? So if I broke into your house carrying a gun but didn't use it and proceeded to cut gas lines and electrical wires you would consider that nonviolent?

[stone space]

123. If you consider Militant Christians like...

...the Berrigan brothers as violent, then I can't really help you.

You'll probably think Militant Atheists are violent, also.

Catonsville Nine

Uploaded on May 17, 2006

17 May 1968 9 people walked into a Selective Service Office, took hundreds of draft files from a cabinet, took them outside, doused them with homemade napalm and burned them in the name of peace.

[clffrdjk]

124. miltance is by definition violence.

I noticed you didn't bother to answer the question yet again.

[stone space]

131. No it isn't.

And I showed you several examples of militant nonviolence done by pacifists.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

[clffrdjk]

132. ok then what is the definition of militant? are you going to try and refute the one i provided?

And I questioned the nonviolence of both your examples, you didn't bother to even try and refute the questions or reinforce your claim.
Maybe you will answer one of the many questions I have asked you, but I doubt it.

[blueridge3210]

125. Destruction of property =/= Non violence.

You may need to look this up in a dictionary.

Nuclear weapons, while terrible to behold, did manage to maintain the peace between the major nation-states. After two world wars, the second of which consumed approximately 100 million lives and saw the attempted extermination of an entire race, avoiding a third world conflict was seen as a net positive. YMMV.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

133. MLK also had armed body guards. Would you have had him arrested if he entered your class?

[DonP]

134. He had also applied for a carry permit

So I guess the poster would have had him arrested too, just like Bull Connor.

[ileus]

101. Because they shoot people over parking spaces.

[phil89]

107. Can you point to an

Atheist dogma, doctrine or command to shoot people for any reason? You obviously don't understand what atheism even means, as there are no beliefs associated with it. The misinformation and paranoia are unbecoming.

[ileus]

108. I just go by this guy...I assume he shoots for all atheists?

Am I wrong somehow?

[Nuclear Unicorn]

112. Yeah. Those militant atheists sure do get out of hand from time to time.

[jimmy the one]

136. gong wrong

Johnston, post 52: Muslim is a religion, Mexican is a nationality.

Gong. Wrong, even if nitpick.
Solve the riddle, anyone, win a free 'bang bang' honorary mention, from a gunmaker of your choice.

Good OP, stone space.