ATF backs down from M855 - SS109 ban

[VScott]

We did it!

Notice to those Commenting on the Armor Piercing Ammunition Exemption Framework

Thank you for your interest in ATF's proposed framework for determining whether certain projectiles are “primarily intended for sporting purposes” within the meaning of 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(17)(C). The informal comment period will close on Monday, March 16, 2015. ATF has already received more than 80,000 comments, which will be made publicly available as soon as practicable.

Although ATF endeavored to create a proposal that reflected a good faith interpretation of the law and balanced the interests of law enforcement, industry, and sportsmen, the vast majority of the comments received to date are critical of the framework, and include issues that deserve further study. Accordingly, ATF will not at this time seek to issue a final framework. After the close of the comment period, ATF will process the comments received, further evaluate the issues raised therein, and provide additional open and transparent process (for example, through additional proposals and opportunities for comment) before proceeding with any framework.

http://www.atf.gov/press/releases/2015-03-021015-advisory-notice-those-commenting-armor-piercing-ammunition-exemption-framework.html

[beevul]

1. *snort*

"Although ATF endeavored to create a proposal that reflected a good faith interpretation of the law..."


All over America, gun owners read the above and react thusly:





For those who may not know, the ATF has a cadre of lawyers working for them, particularly the chief counsels office, and its subordinates. The proposed ban, without a doubt got bounced off them.

They knew exactly what they were proposing, and that it did not match the law as written.

"I swear, I wasn't really gonna eat those cookies"

[appal_jack]

4. Political pressure works.

There are not too many issues that pass the threshold for adequate mass-participation these days, but the cases of net neutrality and this proposed ammo ban show that if enough voices speak, TPTB still listen, if they absolutely have to, at least long enough to lull us back to sleep...

I'm glad that I wrote letters on each of these two important issues. Together, we can still right some wrongs!

k&r,

-app

[pablo_marmol]

20. "All over America, gun owners read the above and react thusly:"

Perfect placement of striking surface of hammer on head of nail.

[virginia mountainman]

3. Surprised it took them this long..

Get ready to be called "cop killers" and worse..











Wait a moment, never mind, they already call us that and worse..

[DonP]

5. Is that worse than ...

... we want "more dead children" if we don't agree with all their "Sandy Hook Advisory Committee" demands?

But, but , but ... I'm told again and again "The Tide is Turning".

[NaturalHigh]

8. More hysteria from the gun ban crowd.

I have two kids and a wife. The whole reason I keep firearms is to protect them. We have a grand total of two guns (shotgun and .380), and they never leave the house. I'm told, though, that this makes me a bad person. Seriously.

"Want more dead children." Those people - they have no shame.

[ileus]

6. Finally a little common sense...

[NaturalHigh]

7. Good news!

This is a great victory for individual rights and a huge defeat for the gun-grab crowd. It will be framed by them as "gun nuts win out over the children," but we know the truth.

This whole thing was just a backdoor attempt to chisel away at the right to keep and bear arms. It actually did nothing to protect anyone, but it was one of those feel good measures like the so-called "assault weapons ban" that only affected law-abiding gun owners and let Republicans paint Democrats (even pro-RKBA Dems) as "Mr. and Mrs. America turn them all in" Feinstein types.

The good guys won - this time.

[pablo_marmol]

9. Hollow victory in a sense.

All damage relating to stupid gun/ammo restriction laws is sustained by Democrats. This will cost us.

[Arcadiasix]

13. Yep it will

[Duckhunter935]

10. I guess this shows how motivated the controller side is

"ATF has already received more than 80,000 comments" ...... "the vast majority of the comments received to date are critical of the framework"

I think they got caught trying to pull a fast one. Just like the "inadvertent" change and deletions in the handbook they were called on and had to revise.

[petronius]

11. It would be interesting to see those comments, and compare the content

between those in support of the new framework and those critical of it. It seems to me that this is a topic where some fundamental knowledge of bullet construction, firearms physics, and current law would go a long way toward crafting a cogent and thoughtful argument; I'm curious to know whether one set of comments (pro or con) evinces a greater level of basic awareness than the other.

My bet, of course, is that despite all the complaints about how 'gunners' whined and screamed and astroturfed, it's the anti-framework comments that are more along the lines of "armor-piercing is teh suck, that's all I need to know, gunz trivia is for loosers!!1!"...

[DonP]

12. Ah, but that would require effort on the part of grabbers

The hallmark of gun control hereabouts is talk and insult much, obsess over genitalia size, post responses to your own rambling posts, since no one else wants to bother, but above all - do nothing in the real world.

Online "activism" seem to translate into real world apathy.

Much easier to bash NRA, SAF and state sportsmen organizations for motivating their memberships online than get off your mom's couch, turn off the X-Box and do anything.

[Duckhunter935]

16. they also seem to have problems answering simple questions

I have asked a few of them dozens of times and got nothing but changed subject word salad.

[Arcadiasix]

14. The only thing this attempted ban did was

Energize the progun crowd and that will hurt democrats and sell literally tons of ammo. Several stores I have sold out of all 556.

[NaturalHigh]

15. Yep - the gun control issue is a loser and always will be.

[Arcadiasix]

17. For the most people out there the ones passionated about this are pro gun

Gun control is the reason Gore lost in 2000. had he been pro gun he would have won.

[NaturalHigh]

18. Gore was seen as one of the architects of the "Assault Weapons Ban."

That particular fiasco was one of the main reasons the Republicans won so big in the 1994 mid-term elections.

[Arcadiasix]

19. My point exactly