SCLC Suspends Pastor Who Called For Black Families To Arm Themselves Against Police(Religion x-post)

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crossposted from Religion: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1218191382

April V. Taylor

Breitbart News is reporting that Georgia Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC) President Sam Mosteller has been suspended from the organization following his call for Black families to “exercise their Second Amendment rights” by arming themselves against police. In his statement, Mosteller acknowledged that his suggestion went against the SCLC mission of nonviolence, but he felt compelled to tell Black people to protect themselves because no one else is.

During his comments, Mosteller stated, “We going to have to do something in our community to let the rest of America know that we are not going to be victimized by just anybody whether it be police or folks that decide that Black people are thugs and we need to control that Black community. We [are] not going to allow that anymore.”

The national SCLC office released this statement regarding Mostellar’s comments:

“The Southern Christian Leadership Conference was founded and maintains it’s [sic] position against violence of ANY type. We are founded on the bedrock of nonviolence and we encourage those principles as we seek social justice and social change in American society and around the world.

Although our organization does concur that the justice system in America has too often failed communities of color, particularly black youth, in reviewing the comments made by the Rev. Mosteller on Wednesday, March 31, we have found that his comments do not represent, nor reflect the principles and position of this organization.”

SCLC has said that they are conducting an internal investigation while Mosteller is under an indefinite suspension. In addition, the organization is also demanding that Mosteller complete some internal training.

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http://kulturekritic.com/2015/04/news/sclc-suspends-pastor-who-called-for-black-families-to-arm-themselves-against-police/

The Reverend may be confusing the Second Commandment with the Second Amendment. Seems like he's praying to the wrong God.

[blueridge3210]

1. The SCLC is a private organization

and is free to set whatever terms for membership or leadership they desire.


There is, however, no evidence to indicate this pastor is "worshiping" firearms.

[onecaliberal]

2. Even if he were how is that different from all the white pastors.

[Eleanors38]

4. A relief. I thought is was a variation of these freedom of religion laws.

[blueridge3210]

5. No, just the usual schtick from our alleged calculus teacher

that anyone whom believes in armed self-defense "worships" firearms. Pretty lame and tiresome.

[hack89]

3. More African-Americans Support Carrying Legal Guns For Self-Defense

When James Craig was a young man in the 1970s, he says law-abiding people wouldn't dream of carrying guns. But then he left town to pursue a career in policing. In the years he was gone, Michigan liberalized its gun laws, making it easier for people to get concealed-carry permits.

When he came back to become Detroit's police chief in 2013, he found a whole new reality.

Police chiefs usually don't like the idea of citizens carrying concealed guns for self-defense, but Craig says he had to be realistic about the situation in his hometown. So he endorsed a trend that was already well under way — the trend toward more people carrying legal guns.

According to a survey by the Pew Research Center, 54 percent of blacks now see gun ownership as a good thing, something more likely to protect than harm. That's up from 29 percent just two years ago. In places like Detroit, more African-Americans are getting permits to carry concealed weapons.

http://www.npr.org/2015/04/02/396869889/more-african-americans-support-carrying-legal-guns-for-self-defense

Chief Craig is AA btw.

[virginia mountainman]

6. Interesting just how pervasive the purity test is.

Wonder if the mods in GCRA, are also employed by the SCVC? Same sort of behavior.

[DonP]

7. I've also noted a serious comprehension issue in our newest Zampolit

He reads what he thinks someone is going to say and responds angrily, as opposed to what they actually posted.

Good example in this last post. http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172164636#post389

As if Mr. Calculuz is looking for something to be all upset about.

[virginia mountainman]

8. Typical.. very typical...

[blueridge3210]

9. And the vast echo chamber

has been silent since Friday. Curious.

[DonP]

10. The Host resurrected a 2 year old thread on ... wait for it ... "Hosts"

I'm pretty sure all it did was remind people how bereft of discussion and any tangible support the "Safe Haven" is.

Well that and wonder what happened to the other "firebrands" for gun control that demanded Skinner give them their own space when he wouldn't shut down this group.

He did not seem to handle having a post here hidden very well. I think he believes he runs this group too. (After all it is his favorite group.)

There was much gnashing of teeth and searching for someone to blame, the longest thread in Bansalot history. All about how unfair it all is because I pointed out his openly expressed regret at asking a particularly vicious poster to back off a little, then when he took his toys and went away, wanting him back so they had some activity to be host of.

Ah, it's funny old world, ain't it?

[blueridge3210]

11. I think he's sad.

He keeps posting his flame bait and everyone fails to jump at the lure. Must be very disappointing.

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13. SCLC (Southern Christian Leadership Conference)

Wonder if the mods in GCRA, are also employed by the SCVC? Same sort of behavior.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

12. Does the thought of minorities arming themselves frighten you?

Do you think that if they procure guns to protect their families that they will be later induced to commit crimes and murder?

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14. Does the thought of nonviolence frighten you? (nt)

[Nuclear Unicorn]

15. Is that how people are supposed to contend with those who are actively seeking to do them harm?

Your advice to rape victims is: "Just try to relax and maybe he won't hurt you worse"? Your advice to someone being pummeled by homophobes is to get over their fear? People being lynched should accept the noble death of martyrdom?

That's pretty sick, dude.

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16. You really don't like the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, do you?

Your advice to rape victims is: "Just try to relax and maybe he won't hurt you worse"? Your advice to someone being pummeled by homophobes is to get over their fear? People being lynched should accept the noble death of martyrdom?

That's pretty sick, dude.

Their philosophy of non-violence seems to inspire quite a bit of outrage in you.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

17. It does take 2 violent folks to make a fight...

...but for a murder only one violent person is needed; that person, if they choose, has a selection of victims.

It's noble to choose non-violence FOR YOURSELF; it's just repugnant to make that choice for another.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

19. Are you sure the trouble is with me? Because YOU are the one who advocates for

people with guns to enforce the gun control laws YOU demand be placed on others. You're merely hiding behind the SCLC while pushing for armed police to disarm people.

Go ahead, tell us how much you embrace non-violence by wanting your laws enforced by unarmed police.

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22. Nah, the trouble isn't you.

Are you sure the trouble is with me?

The trouble is that the SCLC doesn't preach what you want then to preach from their pulpit, and you has a sad.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

24. I don't have a sad. Lots of people don't agree with me and life carries on.

I mean, it's not like I would have such a tantrum that I would expel people under my authority for doing something legal just because I didn't agree.

But since you are preaching the gospel of non-resistance even when confronted by rapists, stalkers and murderers do you therefore believe the police enforcing gun controlz should be disarmed?

[gejohnston]

20. there is a difference between non-violence

as a political tactic and pacifism. MLK and the Dalai Lama did not believe one should submit to a predatory criminal.
The both of you are talking about two different things that are not mutually exclusive. I actually agree with both of you.
MLK's formula was simple, and both of you are right:
non violent mass movement for justice, civil rights. However, they come to the family door or gets personal, well that is what he and others had all those guns for.
BTW, the SCLC would have said shoot the rapist.

[Lurks Often]

18. You are entitled to make that choice for yourself,

but you don't get to make that choice for others.

If you are willing to accept a beating for the contents of your wallet or get beaten half to death just because someone doesn't like the way you looked at them or be forced to watch your wife be raped in a home invasion because you choose the approach of non-violence, that is something you are entitled to decide for yourself.

Personally, while I'd prefer to manage to avoid any violence, I will NOT be a victim and I will NOT allow someone to hurt me or someone I care about without at least trying to stop it using any and all legal means and tools to do so.

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21. You don't get to choose what is preached from the SCLC pulpet.

You are entitled to make that choice for yourself,

Oh, well...

[Lurks Often]

23. As usual you avoid answering anything stated or asked of you in a post

[blueridge3210]

25. Business as usual. (nt)