I just spent some time with "Responsible gun owners"

[ghostsinthemachine]

And they all told of the gun accidents and incidences they had in the past. One fell asleep cradling a shot gun and blew a hole in his couch (and almost his balls) another shot at a noisy bird in his residential yard and knocked out power by missing the bird and hitting a transformer. Another shot up his car when he dropped his gun... And so on.
All this was predicated by a video showing another responsible gun owner blowing of his face while he looked down the barrel of a shotgun when out target shooting.

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[clffrdjk]

1. Cool stary bra.

[ileus]

2. Wow 45 years and the only story I have is from a defective (worn out) 22 bolt action.

If you didn't close the bolt really easy it would discharge. Took it to the smith, he fixed it...Still have that old scoremaster in the safe some 30 years later.


I do have a 6 ounce trigger on my target 308, if you're not careful when putting your finger in the trigger guard you will send a 150gr bullet down range and ruin your 5 shot group.


Most of my EDC PSD's and HD firearms have 4-12 lb triggers. So safe a baby could use them...

[Hangingon]

3. I have been around guns since I was a kid.

No stories like these. Why, I wonder, is my life so dull.

[flamin lib]

4. My brother has been around guns all his life and is about as

Reliable as can be. Had a recall on the bolt for his .270. When it came back from the mfg he looked into the fixed magazine, saw nothing and Installed the bolt (requires pulling the trigger) and blew a hole in the bedroom floor. It had a round in the chamber not easily seen without peering into the dark recesses of the receiver. Yeah, shit happens to even seriously careful and experienced gun owners. That's why car owners have insurance, people make mistakes.

Me? Mine was when I was 15 and had a secondary discharge of a .22 semi auto rifle. Scared the shit out of me and (knock on wood) the next 55 ears were incident free.

Those who say they never had an incident are either brand new to guns or have overlooked an event because it seemed insignificant.

[oneshooter]

5. Saw a lot of ND's on the line at Parris Island.

The were mainly east coast MROTC. Nobody hurt, a lot scared. More so when they saw me coming up the line, with a big smile on my face.

[DashOneBravo]

28. Yep same for the Army

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When the order came to load a round it was promptly followed by at least one large "BAM". But those were usually PVTs.

I seem to remember they were experts at low crawling by the end of the day.

[Jenoch]

7. My father (83) and older brothers and I

have been handling guns for many years. I cannot think of a single unintended discharge of a firearm by any of us. One of my brothers has been teachung a DNR gun safety course for over 25 years.

There have been a couple times when I pulled the trigger and the gun didn't fire. I missed out on a nick buck because of a bad firing pin. The other times I think I forgot to put a round into the chamber.

Edit to add: I guess none of us sleeps with loaded firearms, dIscharge firearms in town, or drop loaded guns near our automobiles. By the time we get near a car, the gun has already been unloaded or the bolt/slide/lever/etc. is open.

[flamin lib]

14. All those things are mistakes. The only thing

about them is that they were benign. A mistake is a mistake. If you are capable of making those mistakes you're capable of making others. Nobody is perfect.

[Jenoch]

22. Huh?

A shot up couch, a shot up power pole and utilities, and a shot up car do not like benign mistakes. That is reckless behavior, for the most part. Dropping the weapon is just plain negligent.

[shedevil69taz]

8. wait...

nope no incidents from me...started shooting almost continuously from when I was 12...and now 33 with 15 years military service...you sir are wrong

[Eleanors38]

11. But doctrine and established orthodoxy must be maintained.

[flamin lib]

13. So you've never attempted to fire a gun that was on

safe? Not once have you ever handled a gun that was loaded when you were sure it wasn't, even though you (we) all pretend that all guns are loaded? Never, at any time have you made the tiniest mistake about a firearm that was inconsequential?

Benign or not those were mistakes that had they been a different mistake might have had a different result.

Next thing you'll tell me that you've never exceeded the speed limit by a single mile per hour or pushed a caution light a little too far.

Yeah, you're perfect.

[Straw Man]

15. Bad analogy.

So you've never attempted to fire a gun that was on

safe? Not once have you ever handled a gun that was loaded when you were sure it wasn't, even though you (we) all pretend that all guns are loaded? Never, at any time have you made the tiniest mistake about a firearm that was inconsequential?

Benign or not those were mistakes that had they been a different mistake might have had a different result.

Next thing you'll tell me that you've never exceeded the speed limit by a single mile per hour or pushed a caution light a little too far.

Pulling the trigger on a gun without first verifying its condition is not like exceeding the speed limit by a single mile an hour or running a yellow light. It's like driving 100 miles an hour with your eyes closed. And I've never done that. Not even once.

[Straw Man]

12. Your brother stored a rifle with a round in the chamber.

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That doesn't meet the criterion of "seriously careful" in my book.

"Dark recesses of the receiver"? Had he never heard of a press check?

[NaturalHigh]

6. When I was doing my Air Force M16 qualifications one time...

I pulled the trigger and realized that I had left the safety on. The gun wouldn't fire. I was so embarrassed.

There - now you have another story to tell. Glad I could help.

[benEzra]

9. The Four Rules of Gun Safety:

(1) Always treat a gun as if it is loaded.

(2) Never point a gun in an unsafe direction. (If you say "But it's OK, it's unloaded", see Rule 1.)

(3) Keep your finger off the trigger unless you are on target and ready to shoot. (If you say "But it's OK, it's unloaded", see Rule 1.)

(4) Always be sure of your target and what is beyond it.

Follow these rules religiously, and you won't alter your or your neighbors' anatomy or knock out power to your neighborhood. Generally speaking, you have to break more than one to have a serious accident, although an egregious violation of Rule 2 coupled with an older defective gun could conceivably cause injury or death. Most cases of "the gun just went off" involve a finger or other object resting on the trigger when it shouldn't be, though.

[Eleanors38]

10. I shot at some ducks once. The shot started 10 ft. from me and slopped all the way...

out to the mallards who casually flew away. Crappy paper shell re-load which probably had only the cap replaced. No one suffered in the making of that movie.

[ManiacJoe]

16. You have an odd sense of what is responsible.

[ghostsinthemachine]

17. These guys talka about guns and how they are responsible gun owners all the time

And like all of them, they consider themselves to be responsible gun owners.

[ManiacJoe]

18. Their oppinions and reality don't seem to match.

Just because they call themselves responsible does not make it so.
Actions speak louder than words.

[ghostsinthemachine]

19. few do actually. Every "responsible gun owner" I know

has had some kind of incident with their guns.

[ManiacJoe]

20. Depending on how you define "incident"

you might need to get a better class of friends.

[ileus]

21. Just finished up spending some time with responsible gun owners Tim and Dan.

Dan brought his new G41. Tim brought his new LC9s and p320.

I just showed up with my latest...a CZ75 that I found on a facebook BST site.


great time at the range with two old timers and their latest sidearms...I think we're going to switch our regular range day from Tuesday to Thursday this year. Looking forward to another great summer of shooting with friends and family.

[benEzra]

23. I just spent some time with my responsible-gun-owner sister this week...

and showed her my new FNS-9L. We'll probably hit the range together tomorrow.

And my sister designs safety-critical systems for VERY expensive industrial operations, and I dare say is more competent with a handgun than the average non-enthusiast LEO. Neither one of us has ever shot a car, or a transformer, or our floor, or ourselves. Neither has anyone we know.

[Logical]

24. I love how many people here are trying to say NDs are normal and bound to happen. Anything....

to justify it.

It never ends.

[friendly_iconoclast]

25. And they are outnumbered by those that say they aren't

[onecaliberal]

26. My FIL, BILs and husband

All have been around and owned guns. My FIL for more than 70 years without incident. He's old school. Has always said treat the gun as though it's loaded at all times. He taught his sons gun safety early on, they didn't use the guns for fun, they were used for hunting. He always kept the guns in a locked safe.
The guns we own in our home are always kept in a locked safe.

[Puha Ekapi]

27. I'm 54 years old

I have been shooting since age 7, and owned my first .22 rifle at age 10. I have owned guns to this day, and have not once ever had an unintentional/negligent discharge.

[DashOneBravo]

29. You need new friends

I've been around firearms my whole life and have never had an ND.

Firearms are mechanical devices that can fail and that's why you have range rules. You just keep it pointed in a safe direction. As for that video. He broke that rule.

I've only seen two weapons do that, an M249 and an M60 machine gun. That was after hundreds of rounds being fired and the weapon was so hot it cooked off a round in the chamber. It happened on the range and the ammo belts were short.