Are we not allowed to call Zimmerman a murderer here on DU?

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This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by krispos42 (a host of the Gun Control & RKBA group).

I got my posts hidden twice for referring to Zimmerman's gunstalking and killing of Trayvon Martin as a Murder.

It seems that Zimmerman supporters here want me to call it a self-defense, so that their delicate fee-fees don't get hurt when they openly support Zimmerman in his murder of Trayvon Martin.

I'm sorry if it hurts the fee-fees of the delicate flowers on DU who support Zimmerman, but what Zimmerman supporters support is murder, not self defense.

And if I am banned from DU entirely for calling it murder, then so be it.

I stand behind my words.

Zimmerman is a murderer, and those here who support him here on DU and elsewhere are supporters of murder.

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On Fri May 1, 2015, 02:09 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Look, I get it. You support Zimmerman. You support murder. (nt)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=166356

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This is a deliberate character smear. This poster must be aware of the definition of murder, and nothing in the post he cites advocates murder.

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Fri May 1, 2015, 02:21 AM, and voted 4-3 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Saying the poster supports murder is over the top.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: definitely over the top.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Not sure of what happens in this group...but voting to hide in case it helps clean up this pit.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

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On Sat May 2, 2015, 06:46 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Unlike you, I am opposed to murder. You support murder.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=166418

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

call out to a DU member saying he supports murder when he clearly does not and has told this poster many times in multiple threads to stop with the lies. The poster continues to defame this DU member.

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Sat May 2, 2015, 06:52 AM, and voted 4-3 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: "You support murder." Nice.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: telling someone that they support murder is over the line
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Given the diary, and the statement about 'standing by his vote' (that Zimmerman did not murder Trayvon Martin'), and my belief that Zimmerman did, in fact, 'get away with murder', I can only take this as a factual statement, not a lie. In this specific instance, the DU member supported a murderer. As such, this is not a lie, and I see no reason to hide it.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Disruptive and inappropriate personal attack.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

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[HassleCat]

1. Is He?

He was tried and found not guilty. Technically, he is not a murderer. Maybe they hid your post for another reason?

[Novara]

2. He is a murderer

And with his temper it's only a matter of time before he kills again.

[blueridge3210]

3. *Sigh*

Reading (comprehension) is fundamental.

Your post was not hidden for calling Zimmerman a murderer.

Your post was hidden for saying another poster supported murder.

You are not the victim here.

[FarPoint]

4. I don't have a problem with someone calling him a murderer.

I often find jury decisions based on personal decisions verses rules.

[samsingh]

5. i believe zimmerman is a murderer who was not found guilty because of a stupid law

and stupid system in that state that allowed bush to steal his way into office.

your posts were directed at other specific posters. although - poster #6 in the first post hid it just 'because' which is an incredibly lazy attitude on what i would like to believe is a site with a lot of enlightened people.

[pipoman]

16. Wow...just goes to show some of us are better thinkers than others...

You do know that "stand your ground" wasn't the defense, no? That self defense was the defense....a right to self defense is the law in every state and should always stay that way....

[giftedgirl77]

6. Looks like you have a stalker.

On Sun May 3, 2015, 08:15 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Are we not allowed to call Zimmerman a murderer here on DU?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172166477

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This poster is whining about DU and the jury system after he has two of his posts hidden for falsely accusing and calling out a DU member for "advocating" murder. He then doubles down and says it again in this post.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun May 3, 2015, 08:25 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: What you call Zimmerman and what he did is not a problem. What you say about fellow DUers is a problem.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: He's simply stating a fact, Zimmerman is a murderer. This place is being taken over by RW loons.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Just put them on ignore. 
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

[Decoy of Fenris]

7. Actually, that alert was mine, and I wouldn't say I'm a stalker.

While I would say I fall on the "RKBA" side of this particular debate, by no means am I a mindless extremist. I am, however, someone who believes DU can do far better than someone getting not one but -two- posts hidden, then reposting them in an effort to triple-down on content that has twice already been determined to be unworthy of DU.

Then again, I suppose if you spam the same post incessantly, you'll be liable to find one or two juries willing to let it slide eventually.

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11. They still want me to call it "self-defense", huh?

This poster is whining about DU and the jury system after he has two of his posts hidden for falsely accusing and calling out a DU member for "advocating" murder. He then doubles down and says it again in this post.

[giftedgirl77]

13. Well in this room unless you are using a gun it won't qualify.

You know you're barking up the wrong tree in here trying to claim Zimmerman was a murderer. This place is like a black hole.

[Decoy of Fenris]

15. Huh. That -wasn't- my alert, but the alert message seems almost identical to mine. My apologies. n/t

[NaturalHigh]

8. Actually your posts were hidden for your insulting comments to other DUers.

Without the "You support murder" comments they never would have been hidden.

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10. Would "You support Zimmerman. You support self-defense" have been better?

The individuals involved openly support Zimmerman's actions.

They get upset at me for characterizing the specific actions by Zimmerman that they support as "murder" rather than as "self-defense".

Why is telling Zimmerman supporters that what they are supporting is actually murder not allowed?

Do we really have to call it self-defense here on DU?

[NaturalHigh]

12. Why not just leave off that last sentence?

Your recent posting history shows that you go out of your way to argue with people in this group. You can't deny that go out of your way to belittle and insult a lot of posters here. That's what earned you those hides.

[stone space]

14. You mean I should leave off the part characterizing Zimmerman's actions as "murder"?

Zimmerman's supporters call it "self-defense" right here on DU.

Why am I not allowed to call it "murder" here on DU?

[ileus]

9. I don't care...but then again I'm easy to get along with.

[krispos42]

17. Locking

Ask the Administrators is the proper forum for complaints about the jury system and the results it creates.

Regards,
Krispos42, Group Host