Oregon House passes concealed carry license reciprocity bill

[GGJohn]

SALEM (AP) — House lawmakers have passed a bill allowing people with concealed handgun licenses from other states to use them in Oregon.

Under the bill approved Thursday, the same protections offered to Oregon concealed carry permit holders, such as the ability carry a firearm into certain public buildings, would be offered to out-of-state permit holders.

But the concealed handgun license requirements in those other states would have to meet the same criteria as Oregon’s. The State Department of Justice is tasked with making a list of states whose license requirements are as stringent as Oregon’s.

Supporters say those states would also have to recognize Oregon’s concealed handgun license, creating full reciprocity.

http://www.heraldandnews.com/news/oregon/oregon-house-passes-concealed-carry-license-reciprocity-bill/article_145d4ef3-983d-57e5-90d9-424574c438da.html

Isn't Oregon pretty blue? This bill passed 57-1. So how could this happen? We hear all the time how gun control is on the march and we'll soon have Japan or Australia style gun laws.

[fredamae]

1. Let me try to explain

First of I am Outraged.

For YEARS, Dems have held an equal, slightly below/slightly above majority. Dems, here, always seemed to side with conservatives with one/two votes over to "the dark side".
So, Oregon "DEMOCRATC" Lawmakers Pleaded with the electorate to "please, please give us a big enuf majority so we can get stuff done".
So, wth...we did it for them.
And ever since this session began they have introduced RW Bills on RW issues and Adopted the basic tenants of Conservatism. Theses bills are being passed against a majority of us (in many cases) saying NO.
LE/AOC/LOC/Corp Lobbyists et al have invaded "the peoples house" they are given all the "ass-kissing" deference they want and credibility ...in other words...Business as Usual only actually Worse. And they did it WITH Democrats. And "we" Elected these A-Holes into office. Will we be that stupid Again to believe a Democrat? Any Democrat? I won't. I gave them my support and then Oregon's Democratic Majority "shit on my shoes"
Sweet eh?

The people who live here are progressively liberal...We simply don't have fair representation.
All the more reason to STOP with the Whole Myth that just Voting For those Calling themselves a Democrat when it certainly doesn't mean any of "them" are interested in and have bothered to read the Dem Platform and abide by it.

[GGJohn]

2. It passed with a 57-1 vote,

that's pretty significant, it means that the majority of citizens wanted this bill, especially in the rural areas of the state.

[fredamae]

3. Do you have any

documentation of that?

[GGJohn]

4. It's right there in the article.

The bill passed 57-1. It now heads to the Senate.

[NaturalHigh]

5. "Oregon's Democratic Majority 'shit on my shoes'" by passing this bill?

Gee - you're taking this kind of personally, aren't you? As I understand it, this bill is pretty popular in Oregon.

[fredamae]

6. Do you have any

documentation of that?

[NaturalHigh]

7. I'll start with 57-1.

[fredamae]

10. The Oregon Dem Controllled Legislature

legislature does Not have a record of doing what citizens want.
They listen to "Lobbyists Zero's", over constituents, imo

Are there articles or any other evidence of "the peoples" Majority support on this?

[GGJohn]

12. 57-1?

That's not good enough for you?
Why do I have a feeling that you wouldn't believe any evidence that the people of Oregon wanted this?

[NaturalHigh]

13. Google is your friend.

Check out the comments on articles about Oregon concealed carry. From what I can see, other than the occasional "guns are bad, bad, bad!" comments, they're almost all positive.

"The Oregon Dem controlled legislature does Not have a record of doing what citizens want." Do you have any documentation of that?

[fredamae]

14. No, that's not a Majority

Support. It may be a majority support from commenters in any given article, but does not represent all 2 million Plus voters.

Guns are Not bad. I support the 2nd, over-all. I was raised around them all my life. I (with my dad) shot my first rifle when I was 5. I don't fear guns. I fear "some" gun owners.
http://www.ktvz.com/news/study-oregon-gun-deaths-top-motor-vehicle-deaths/26974848

https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2015R1/Downloads/CommitteeMeetingDocument/60784

[NaturalHigh]

15. What does represent all 2 million Plus voters?

Do you have documentation that the legislature's vote defies the will of the people?

[fredamae]

16. Apparently MSM didn't

investigate and report about how Oregonians feel?
Because I can find nothing-either way, frankly.

[gejohnston]

17. FWIW

the "study" by VPC is about unbiased as one done by the Gun Owners of America, who are more extreme than the NRA.

All that shows is that cars are getting safer, so traffic fatalities are going down faster than the murder and suicide rate by firearms.

Here is the context
http://blog.oregonlive.com/commuting/2010/09/traffic_deaths_fall_to_lowest.html
http://www.oregon.gov/oha/amh/CSAC%20Meeting%20Shedule/Suicide-in-Oregon-report.pdf

traffic deaths and murders are dropping. Oregon suicide rates are rising. Nationally, suicides are 2/3 of gun deaths and 52 percent are with guns. While universal background checks (I actually prefer a FOID system like IL or purchase permit system like Nebraska over going to an FFL) is reasonable, moderate control, it won't do anything about suicides or the black market.

[virginia mountainman]

18. That is strange..

Most of the Democrats i know around here, are extremely pro-gun....

Always have been...

[GGJohn]

19. In my area also,

I live in the Flagstaff area and everyone, R's, D's, I's, are all pro 2A.

[pablo_marmol]

21. Let *me* try to explain

First of all, I care not a whit about your poutrage, and neither do a great many Oregonians.

Democrats have consistently lied - at GREAT political expense - about gun violence. The list of issues is ENDLESS. About the only thing we've been honest about is universal background checks and improving law enforcement data-sharing regarding those with mental defects. The rest - "assault weapons", "plastic guns", "cop-killer bullets", "gun show loopholes", the "threat" of concealed carry, the "need" for registration in addition to background checks, the "value" of ballistic fingerprinting etc., etc., etc. is pure bull puckey.

If you truly believe that Oregon lawmakers are acting opposite the will of Oregonians, I suggest you google 'Blue Steel Democrats'. You are truly deluding yourself if you believe that the citizens of the state of Oregon have been betrayed. Like the truly progressive citizens of Vermont, they are able to sniff out bullsh*t when it's placed directly beneath their noses ---- AND THEY REJECT IT.

A true liberal believes that the burden of proof rests with those who wish to restrict a right, and let empirical evidence carry the day on all issues. Faux liberals believe that they can pick and choose when to accept the verdict of empirical evidence, and when bigoted ideology trumps it.

[fredamae]

22. You mean a Citizen

asking Lawmakers to Require Evidence from a complainant to Prove a Statutory change is Necessary for Public Safety Before a Bill is signed into law?
Here is a couple excerpts from my messages to them on a Different issue.

"Our lawmakers failed to ask for evidence of actual public harm to support their concerns. Oregons legislative archives of the various laws passed over the years support my observation and experience that these statutes were simply created to support this minority group based upon “concerns, what-if’s, might happen and worries."

"The legislature fails to ask for evidence from these complainants. The legislature fails to question rationale from complainants. The legislature simply, instead creates legislation based upon voiced “concerns”, clears it through LC and proceeds to ignore our voices, our actual evidence, fails to address our real needs and fails, in general to hear the impact we experience by these laws."

Apparently My issue and Your issue have a common legislative problem: Politicians are Failing to meet reasonable expectations of the people they serve. The response I received was: (paraphrasing) "I agree we have an imperfect system, but it is the system we have". Well, I responded back that we REJECT that notion. If you know the system isn't working for us and I know the system isn't working for us...then we should change it...I'm in if you are" I advised. The problem is I am/We are Ignored.
Apparently, this Problem of "willfully brain-dead" lawmakers Failure to dig deep And ask for credible evidence to Prove Their case is systemic and perhaps not as selective as I assumed it is.
Let me ask you this: Do you believe a person who consumes cannabis for medicine or personal use should Lose their rights to have guns based solely upon their choice to consume cannabis?
"We" need to "clean our house" regardless of which issue and what our political affiliations are.
While I am all for common sense, common ground gun safety laws...I am not for passing Any bill into law Without evidence to support the changes. Period and I did Not realize they were pulling the same crap over this matter also.

[pablo_marmol]

27. "Well, I responded back that we REJECT that notion."

Your problem, fredamae, is that you refuse to accept a basic truth. And that is that the we you refer to is not nearly as large of a group as you seem to believe it is......and that true liberals - who follow the verdicts of empirical evidence on all issues - are a much larger group than you believe.

You can deny it until the cows come home, but concealed carry is a non-issue -- as proven by decades worth of law enforcement records across the country.

So keep on flailing if you wish. The only thing you accomplish is to put more $$ into the Bank of the NRA.

[Puha Ekapi]

23. Somehow...

...I think your problem is viewing gun control as progressive. It's actually regressive authoritarianism.

[NaturalHigh]

8. What did you do to your OP?

It's like four feet long. Did you hit the return button a lot after your last comment or something?

That aside, this is really good news. One less piece of bureaucracy cluttering up Second Amendment rights.

[GGJohn]

9. I have no idea what happened,

I copied and pasted and it went katty wampus.

[NaturalHigh]

11. Copy and paste gets us all sometimes.

[ileus]

20. Congrats to our friends in Oregon, nice to see our side being 2A progressives

I would like to think folks in Oregon believe my life is worth protecting when I'm in their state.

[Eleanors38]

24. There may be something in this proposal for everyone...

Other states may choose to up their CCW standards to meet Oregon's reciprocity standard. Who knows, maybe Vermont may for the first time enact Oregon-type training! The horror!

[Lizzie Poppet]

26. Yes, we're pretty "blue" here in Oregon.

Thing is, we're also a Western state, and that means a pretty strong presence of guns in the overall cultural makeup. A whole bunch of my friends, 90% of whom are politically leftist, own firearms (myself included) and oppose aggressive gun control regulations. A lot of us (again, myself included) have CCW permits. Out here, liberalism doesn't necessarily include anti-gun views.