Texas man guns down 19-year-old woman during argument over beer pong rules

[struggle4progress]

DAVID EDWARDS
04 JUN 2015 AT 14:09 ET
Landon Duke, 23, said that he and friends were celebrating his graduation from Texas A&M on May 2 ... Later that night ... some people were playing beer pong in the garage and they got in an argument ... over the rules of the game ... Duke said that he heard the first of 15 gunshots when LaRose went into the backyard to get more beer for the game. McNeil would later tell investigators that he had only intended to scare his neighbors, and that he had fired the gun by accident. LaRose was pronounced dead later that morning. Two other people were also found shot at the home ...
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/06/texas-man-guns-down-19-year-old-woman-during-argument-over-beer-pong-rules/

... The two-bedroom home in the 900 block of San Benito Drive now sits unoccupied ... On the night of the shooting, there were between 100 and 120 people at the graduation party where a pay-per-view boxing match drew a crowd ... Earlier that day, Duke and the party's host had gone door-to-door telling neighbors about the party and asking them to contact either of them before calling police to file a noise complaint ... Police were called to the house for a noise complaint at some point after midnight ...
Witness: Argument over game of beer pong led to death of 19-year-old Lacie LaRose
Posted: Wednesday, June 3, 2015 12:00 am
By Jordan Overturf

... "Lacie and I were beer pong partners at the time... I told her I would set up the table and she would you know she said she would go get the beers in the back yard and that's the only reason she was even back there in the line of fire," said Duke ... McNeil told police the gun accidentally went off when he was trying to open a gate. His case goes to a grand jury July 23rd. He remains in jail with bonds set at $500,000 ...
Close Friend of Murder Victim Describes Events Leading Up To San Benito Drive Shooting
Updated: Wed 5:07 PM, Jun 03, 2015
By: Clay Falls

... Lacie LaRose was shot in the neck ... McNeil, a felon, has been charged with murder and two counts of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon ...
Ronald McNeil
Published 2:50 pm EDT, June 4, 2015
Updated 3:44 pm EDT, June 4, 2015

... "She had a short life. I wanted a grand-baby from her. She was our only child," said April LaRose ... "Who else is going to be my best friend? Who else am I going to be able to call in the middle of the night?" said Mata ...
Irving Woman Shot, Killed in College Station: Police
By Julie Fine
Updated at 9:15 PM CDT on Wednesday, May 6, 2015

... new witness testimony ... indicates that an argument erupted... regarding the rules of a beer pong game ... It eventually led to a brief exchange of blows. The witness told The Eagle that McNeil and a group of his friends had been evicted from the party, but pledged to return armed. And allegedly he did. According to accounts, McNeil entered the house's backyard and fired fourteen shots from a handgun, which he told police he'd intended to scare the party guests with whom he'd argued. One man was hit in the leg, and one took shrapnel, but LaRose, a bystander, received a fatal bullet ...
Shooting death of a 19-year-old in College Station started with a fight over beer pong rules
DYLAN BADDOUR
HOUSTON CHRONICLE
JUNE 3, 2015

Obviously pay-per-view boxing and beer-pong don't mix

[hack89]

1. "McNeil, a felon"

says it all right there.

[friendly_iconoclast]

7. Lots of mention of the means, and none about the victims in this thread

It's as if we heard a person was killed, and two injured, in a crash caused by a drunk driver-
and then blamed the car...

[beevul]

12. Guess that disqualifies it for the "just another law abiding gun owner" meme.

Their delivery has not changed a lot, their material, however, looks to be getting thin.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

26. What, that felons can still easily get guns?

Yeah, I guess that does say a lot.

[hack89]

27. So you know how he acquired his gun? Please share. nt

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

29. You know, I don't know how you've escaped my ignore list for so long.

You never have anything to say worth my time to read.

Time to correct that mistake.

[hack89]

30. I knew you had nothing. nt

[DonP]

34. He seldom does.

Much easier to feign offense or ennui and skulk off than actually respond intelligently.

[DonP]

36. double tap, sorry

[samsingh]

2. i thought it was easy access to guns

[struggle4progress]

5. Oh, we can't blame guns for a shooting death

People just shouldn't hold graduation parties near gates

[friendly_iconoclast]

6. We don't blame drunken driving on the impaired driver's car n/t

[LuvLoogie]

13. But we do require a license to drive, require insurance

require the car to be registered, tagged.

Instill penalties for operating violations such as wrecklessness and under the influence.

and the license can be suspended or revoked

[beevul]

14. No, we don't.

But we do require a license to drive, require insurance

A license is required to drive ONLY on public roads. Not to OWN a car or drive on private property.

require the car to be registered, tagged.

Generally, cars are required to be registered or tagged ONLY if they are to be used on public roads. Not to OWN or drive on private property.

Instill penalties for operating violations such as wrecklessness and under the influence.

Again, generally only applicable to public use.

and the license can be suspended or revoked

The license, is only a license to "use in public", not a "license to own".


A license to simply own a gun?

Not a chance in hell.

[virginia mountainman]

16. Beevul..

They simply are incapable of understanding those facts. If they were capable, they would not be using auto insurance as an analogy.

[beevul]

20. I think some of them are.

The ones that originally came up with these memes, knowing perfectly well that 'ownership' is a completely different thing than 'public use', for example.

And, I do think there are those who are ignorant, and actually think the state licenses people to own private property. Or should.

It goes down to the definition of a right versus a privilege. The entity in question in the gun control debate, is without question, a right, not a privilege. Not a single one of them that I've seen, seems willing to actually deal with the situation on those terms. They make up these false equivalencies and imagine to themselves that people are too stupid to notice. The goal coincidentally appears to be to get US, the predetermined "marks", to buy into it and start treating our own rights like privileges.

Its rather insulting, in my view, that the people that say these things, think that people at large don't know the difference. Fortunately, insults just strengthen the opposition to anti-gun stupidity made manifest through legislation, especially the blanket insults.

[virginia mountainman]

18. Nope.. You can even drive legally on the PUBLIC road in VA with no insurance, OR plates...

The Virginia Uninsured Motor Vehicle (UMV) fee allows a motor vehicle owner to register an uninsured motor vehicle. At the time of registration, the motor vehicle owner must certify whether the vehicle is insured or uninsured.

If the vehicle is uninsured, the motor vehicle owner is required to pay to DMV a $500 uninsured motor vehicle fee in addition to normal registration fees.

http://www.dmv.state.va.us/vehicles/#uninsured_fee.asp

Tags are optional too, as long as certain conditions are met...

Unregistered Vehicle Conditions
You are not required to register a vehicle (obtain license plates and decals) or pay a registration fee for any pickup or panel truck, sport utility vehicle, vehicle having a gross vehicle weight rating greater than 7,500 pounds, trailer, or semitrailer used exclusively for agricultural or horticultural purposes on lands owned or leased by the vehicle's owner. Although registration is not required, such vehicles must be titled. This registration exemption applies only to vehicles that are not operated on or over any public highway for any purpose other than:
crossing a highway;
operating along a highway for a distance of no more than fifty (50) miles from one part of the owner's land to another, irrespective of whether the tracts adjoin;
taking the vehicle or attached fixtures to and from a repair shop for repairs;
taking another vehicle exempt from registration under any provision of Va. Code §§ 46.2-664 through 46.2-668 or § 46.2-672, or any part or subcomponent of such a vehicle, to or from a repair shop for repairs, including return trips;
operating along a highway to and from a refuse disposal facility for the purpose of disposing of trash and garbage generated on a farm; or
operating along a highway for a distance of no more than fifty (50) miles for the purpose of obtaining supplies for agricultural or horticultural purposes, seeds, fertilizers, chemicals, or animal feed. (Va. Code § 46.2-665)

http://www.dmv.virginia.gov/vehicles/#farm_unregistered.asp

I wonder if they will call this NRA propaganda??

[gejohnston]

19. not only is the analogy poor,

it wrongly assumes cars are regulated tighter than guns. If we were to regulate guns just like cars, every federal gun control would have to be repealed, as well as most state laws and replaced with nothing.
the guy is a felon, not going to have a license and did not buy it from a licensed dealer at a store or gun show. As a felon, he can not be charged with having an unregistered gun.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haynes_v._United_States
He can, however, be charged with being a felon in possession.

[samsingh]

24. well we do blame it on the alcohol and put limits on that.

funny how people can't see an easy pattern here when they try this attempt at confusion.

[gejohnston]

25. but there are more limits on guns than

alcohol.

[samsingh]

28. and those are not nearly effective enough - power to anyone

who wants to collect and target shoot with guns.

but something needs to be done about all the people being killed with guns.

[Shamash]

31. Agree almost completely

power to anyone who wants to collect and target shoot with guns. But something needs to be done about all the people being killed with guns.

I would add "hunting" to that, but otherwise sounds good.

If only gun owners could get the gun control folks to consider measures directed at the people who misuse guns rather than directing them against all gun owners and hoping to catch a few of the misusers in the process.

I'm sure that "stop & frisk" accounted for a number of arrests of people who had outstanding warrants, but that does not mean I support the wholesale discrimination against young black men it took in order to make those arrests. Ditto for Arizona's "papers please" law that turned everyone who looked Hispanic into a suspected illegal immigrant.

Equally broad laws against gun owners fall into the same reprehensible, bigoted, intolerant, authoritarian mentality that runs counter to everything that is liberal. If these people were genuinely concerned about preventable deaths, they would be falling all over themselves to agree that alcohol ownership should be regulated as strictly as guns are now, and then regulate both to even stricter levels. But here at DU, every day is "blame all gun owners" day, and nothing else seems to matter.

But, if you want to see something that does work about people being killed with guns: link

Interestingly enough, I haven't seen any gun control advocates here embracing this strategy. I suspect it is because it actually worked without banning anything, which runs counter to their core belief and is thus unacceptable. Maybe you are open-minded enough on the subject to find it informative.

[gejohnston]

32. laws don't do that

If that were the case, Mexico, Brazil, and Chicago, Newark, and Baltimore wouldn't be in the mess they are in.
I think more needs to be done about people being murdered regardless of means. I want to rope suicides prevented as much as gun suicides.
That can be done only by dealing with the causes, not the means.

[samsingh]

33. each of those countries are awash in guns already and the first three

are heavily affected by drug related violence.

why not look at countries like England, France, Germany and the per capita deaths by guns?

[gejohnston]

35. Yes, all of them illegal and have always had strict gun laws

Because Brazil's and Mexico's gun laws are stricter than England's France's and Germany's. Legal gun ownership in Brazil and Mexico is almost nonexistent. Also, guns are used in only 20 percent of Mexico's murders. Meaning, you only read about the shootings. The cartels use machine guns, and ordnance not available in any US gun store. They are making some themselves, some are being smuggled from their southern border, China, Vietnam, and stolen from Mexican Army armories.

Mexico and Brazil also have the problem of the government functionaries like police being part of the criminal gangs. Actually, France's legal gun ownership rate is the same as Florida's, 25 percent of all households.

As you pointed out, it is the drug related violence, as it is in the US cities. Almost all of our murders are criminals killing each other.
Looking at England, France, and Germany, they had the same murder rates regardless of means when they had no gun control laws at all. Also, 2/3 of our gun deaths are suicides. With stricter gun control, those gun deaths would simply become rope deaths as they are in England, France, and Germany.
While it is harder to get a legal gun in France or Germany, still easier than New Jersey or New York City, it is very easy to get an illegal gun anywhere in Europe.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/getting-a-gun-legally-in-europe-may-be-hard-but-terrorists-have-little-trouble/2015/02/19/9eb6bce2-b78b-11e4-bc30-a4e75503948a_story.html
http://www.ibtimes.com/charlie-hebdo-massacre-illegal-gun-trafficking-brings-millions-weapons-eu-1779070
http://www.gunfacts.info/gun-control-myths/guns-in-other-countries/

[beevul]

11. Not unless you blame the shoes he was wearing too.

After all, they're connected to the user input exactly the same way as the gun is.

He didn't fly to the place the shooting took place, did he?

[GGJohn]

17. How can an inanimate object be responsible for a shooting death?

Doesn't it take a human interaction for a gun to fire, isn't it the human that determines how that firearm is used?
Isn't a human responsible whether or not the firearm is used responsibly/negligently, lawfully, unlawfully?

[beevul]

21. Why do you blame the gun, vs the bullet?

Like the gun, the bullet had no choice in its actions.

No choice in its trajectory, and no choice in its velocity.

How come you aren't blaming it too?

It seems to fit all the same criteria as you use to assign blame to the gun.

How come you aren't blaming it too?

[SheilaT]

3. Guns and alcohol.

What can possibly go wrong?

[Shamash]

9. Indeed

Guns and alcohol: drunken shooting
Cars and alcohol: driving under the influence
Dating and alcohol: date rape

There's got to be some sort of common factor here that is causing the problem. If we can just figure out what it is, we can fix the problem. Preferably by banning or regulating that thing out of existence.

I can't see any possible down side to this approach.

[Eleanors38]

37. Quite a bit. That's why I don't drink before or during a hunt. Also against the law.

[shenmue]

4. ...

[TexasProgresive]

8. I must be living a sheltered life

I had to look up beer pong on wiki. I know what beer is, guns are and ping pong. Don't mix guns and booze or guns and ping pong. thise is really sad.

[ManiacJoe]

41. Link to the beer pong explanation

for the rest of us that had to look it up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_pong

[TexasProgresive]

42. Thanks, I should've done that.

[monmouth4]

10. Doncha love "I wanted a grand baby from her."...n/t

[virginia mountainman]

15. Nothing more than a felon..

Broke some more laws....

Move on, nothing to see here.

[ileus]

22. Why do folks hang around alcohol users.

[DonP]

23. Criminal with illegal gun does criminal things. Move it to True Crime

Or is this supposed to shame law abiding gun owners for some odd reason?

In the same way everybody that owns a Chevy is responsible for every drunk driver that killed two people in a Chevy?

Or the Child Porn criminal that uses a Dell Computer is no different than everyone else that uses a Dell?

That seems to be the twisted logic at work here. Every gun owner is law abiding until they aren't - is undoubtedly the dumbest F'ing statement out there by the control fans.

Just like you're not a bank robber until you rob your first bank. Mmmm, real wisdom at work there.

No wonder we can just ignore the gun fans, that's the depth of their rhetoric.

Well, not counting that penis obsession thing they have.

[Eleanors38]

38. Felon crashes party, argues, tries to start a fight, shoots people. Sounds like a HyperPunk.®

A poor woman dies because a felon couldn't get his way right then and there.

Time for the warehouse.

[beevul]

39. Gun control pushers react predictably: Push more gun control for everyone that didn't shoot anyone.

As usual.

[DonP]

40. In "Bizzaro" world we're supposed to feel guilty ... for some reason I guess n/t