If failure to enact gun control makes a person/group responsible for gun deaths

[Nuclear Unicorn]

does the fact that Controllers act deceptively, prevaricate about their objectives, refuse consensus and vilify opponents in the most noxious terms make them responsible for the failures of their own efforts?

[virginia mountainman]

1. Absolutely..

Their own behavior has helped consign their cause to the trash bin many, MANY times. When they lose is when they get "really" nasty, and vitriolic.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

2. Then, by their own metrics, the blood is on their hands.

I would never claim such a thing. The only people responsible for violent crimes are violent criminals.

But this is what they say. Do they have any intention of living under the terms they would impose upon the rest of us?

[irisblue]

3. alert results

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Jun 15, 2015, 01:19 AM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

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Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: This poster is repeatedly off the NRA end of things, in these sorts of discussions...
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Explanation: I hate guns with a passion. But to pretend that gun control is a democratic value is minimally, uniformed. It's the reason guns are not allowed in gd.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: alerter said ..."Right wing attack on Democratic position in support of gun control. Also completely delusional position. Has no place on a liberal discussion board." talk it out, ignore it, trash thread, don't whine. LEAVE IT
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[Nuclear Unicorn]

4. Oh, good grief. I guess you only take flak when you're over the target. Thanks for the results.

[friendly_iconoclast]

5. "I guess you only take flak when you're over the target." Amen to that!

[Shamash]

6. Yeah, they tend to be the most vicious when the criticisms are the most accurate. n/t

[Nuclear Unicorn]

10. One of the jurors quoted the alerter's complaint --

Right wing attack on Democratic position in support of gun control

Last I heard it was a plank in the Democratic party platform to acknowledge the RKBA is an individual right. They also wanted to suppress speech they didn't agree with, a practice I doubt would find welcomed in Democratic circles.

So who is the real Democrat again?

I will confess I'm not really well-versed in RW talking points but I'd be willing to bet the charge of the OP being a RW talking point is wholly fabricated without basis in observed fact

[ileus]

7. You're just an NRA plant...most likely a man, and for sure not a real progressive.

No seriously, you have to wonder about those that feel it necessary to control your life, and get upset when you refuse to let them.


Controllers wanna control.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

8. Yeah. The OP is a restatement of a post I made in defense of Sen. Sanders.

Definitely RW stuff there.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

9. Yes, there's not much of a case for control...

...beyond what's already in place.

"Building a case is like building a house. Each piece of evidence is just another building block. He wants to make a brick bunker of a building. He wants to use serious, solid-looking bricks...He's going to show you the bricks. He'll show you they got straight sides. He'll show you how they got the right shape. He'll show them to you in a very special way, so that they appear to have everything a brick should have. But there's one thing he's not gonna show you...When you look at the bricks from the right angle, they're as thin as this playing card. His whole case is an illusion, a magic trick." - Vincent Laguardia Gambini.

Treating people as if they're criminals is only okay if they actually are criminals.

[Eleanors38]

11. Pretty much. The controllers are in an unenviable position wherein there "activism"

is not only based on grossly bad argument, smear, and self-destructive politics (they focus here on other Democrats), but also on boring repitition. As some of them have noted, they have to wait on a mass murder in order to get an increasingly weak MSM to slowly crank out the same "studies," biased reporting, op eds, and dated cartoons. A few (as has been reported here) openly advocate taking advantage of some tragedy in order to promote their prohibitionist doctrine.

IMO, the gun controllers would be persona non grada in most liberal circles if it weren't for MSM's dogged efforts to equate gun control with liberalism, when instead this prohibitionist outlook is quite ill-liberal.