Now explain to me again, exactly how background checks protect us..

[virginia mountainman]

Seems like *another* killer easily passed one..

On Thursday, investigators did a trace of the handgun used in Wednesday's shooting and determined that it was a .45-caliber handgun Roof purchased from a Charleston gun store in April,

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/19/us/charleston-church-shooting-suspect/

[blm]

1. If Roof was a black teen he'd have been incarcerated for his crimes and wouldn't

have passed a background check at 21, now, would he?

[Eleanors38]

9. I understand the gun was purchased by another person, and given Roof.

Do you have any info on this?

[virginia mountainman]

12. Yes..

Read the article..the part I highlighted...

He used his birthday money to make the purchase himself...

[Eleanors38]

15. My goof. I see that now.

[BeyondGeography]

2. So this is bad?

Since February 28, 1994, the Brady law has blocked more than 2.1 million gun purchases, according to data from the Bureau of Justice Statistics. That is 343 purchases blocked every day. More than one million of those attempted purchases were by felons. Another 291,000 denials were to domestic abusers. And, 118,000 gun sales to fugitives were blocked thanks to background checks.

http://www.bradycampaign.org/inthenews/brady-campaign-releases-a-report-analyzing-20-years-of-effective-background-checks

[DustyJoe]

3. The form

I am sure he honestly answered all the check boxes honestly on the 4473 background check form
dealing with any arrest/conviction records.

especially

12 e. Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana, or any depressant, stimulant, or narcotic drug, or or any other controlled substance?

His April arrest was for posession of suboxone strips — typically used to treat addiction to heroin and other opiates

I am certain he honestly answered Yes to that question.

[Eleanors38]

10. Did the killer purchase the gun? The CNN article didn't say so.

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EDIT: I see now the article did say he purchased it.

[deathrind]

4. Background checks.

Are not 100% fool proof to keep firearms out of the hands of people who should not own a firearm such as (Felons/Mentally Compromised Individuals) but if it stop just one person from getting a weapon who should not have one it is well worth the effort and enforcement.

I am still amazed that pro 2nd Amendment supporters still baulk at BG checks. One would think that given the proclivity for 2A supporters to view the world with such fear that they feel they need a firearm on them at all times to protect themselves from other people with guns, that having a first line defense (although not perfect but better than nothing) is something they would be in favor of.

[Eleanors38]

11. Baulk? Most 2A regulars here support universal BG checks. nt

[Duckhunter935]

19. Yep

I wonder where he gets that. I have not seen anyone posting here that is not for UBC. Most favor opening NICS to the public.

[Eleanors38]

21. Part of the Narrative©. The truth is an enemy to some, here.

[rock]

5. It involves statistical probability

No individual case is in itself meaningful for this context. Similar to understanding climate change.

[ret5hd]

6. Now explain to me again, exactly how penaltys for murder protect us...

Seems like *another* killer easily did it anyway.

[beevul]

17. You're absolutely right.

In GD theres a poll about whether or not the threat of the death penalty deterred the shooter.

It is essentially universally agreed that it wouldn't.

Yet the same people think that a lesser penalty would deter someone with murderous intent from getting the gun in the first place.


Makes.No,.Sense, common or otherwise.

[ileus]

7. They don't .....but that's just a diversion anyway.

Pass that and then they'd need this. Pass this and then they'd demand more of that, because this and that didn't work so more of that and this is needed.

Remember....guns kill people, and the 2A isn't a individual right. Or the right to own firearms only covers flintlocks. Also remember many believe the 20xx supreme court decision was when individuals were given the right to own firearms.

[Romeo.lima333]

8. youre correct it's time to make guns illegal

[Eleanors38]

14. Start the amendment process, then. nt

[GGJohn]

18. LOLOLOL.

Yeah, good luck with that.
The majority of your fellow American citizens disagree with you by a margin of 75%, think you can get a ban with that lack of support?

[beevul]

20. Have fun...

[Eleanors38]

13. Are you sure the racist passed the NICS test, or was it a Smerf?

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EDIT: The article did say he purchased it.

[Matrosov]

16. Gun control in general doesn't protect you n/t