Wed Jun 24, 2015, 12:10 PM

SAFE Act: Gun groups say data shows low compliance

SAFE Act: Gun groups say data shows low compliance

ALBANY – About 44,500 assault weapons have been registered in New York since a new gun-control law was enacted in 2013, records released by State Police to a gun-rights group this week showed.

The Shooters Committee on Public Education, a gun-rights group based in western New York, successfully sued after the state refused to release the details. Now the group claimed that the statistics showed what they suspected: Few gun owners are complying with the SAFE Act adopted by Gov. Andrew Cuomo and the state Legislature in January 2013.

The total number of applications to register assault weapons in New York was 25,536.

"The majority of gun owners and sportsmen in New York have absolutely no respect for this law," said Stephen Aldstadt, the group's president.

The group said that estimates have showed that there about 1 million assault weapons in New York, so if that's the case, about 4 percent were registered as required under the SAFE Act. But gun-control advocates said there is no way of knowing how many assault weapons exist in New York.

http://www.pressconnects.com/story/news/politics/2015/06/23/safe-act-data-low-compliance/29188575/

I'm curious to know why the state had to be sued into providing the information. Are they that embarrassed by their failures? And if it's this bad in NY what does that portend for registration efforts in less blue-friendly environs?

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SAFE Act: Gun groups say data shows low compliance (Original post)	Nuclear Unicorn	Jun 2015	OP
Obviously all those "gun criminals" need to be arrested and their homes tossed by state troopers	DonP	Jun 2015	#1
Just my humble opinion	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Jun 2015	#2
Not very surprised	Duckhunter935	Jun 2015	#3
There are no hard numbers, but non compliance in CT appears to be similar	Lurks Often	Jun 2015	#4
Oh, I get it.	Cassidy1	Jun 2015	#5
I bet you feel the same way about Federal drug laws too, right?	DonP	Jun 2015	#6
Why would you bet that?	Cassidy1	Jun 2015	#18
Define "legit". N/T	beevul	Jun 2015	#7
There's a new invention out now.	Cassidy1	Jun 2015	#21
Does it read minds?	beevul	Jun 2015	#23
Do	Cassidy1	Jun 2015	#24
No, thats not what I meant. Can the dictionary read minds?	beevul	Jun 2015	#26
Can I read minds?	Cassidy1	Jun 2015	#30
Why do you keep repeating yourself?	GGJohn	Jun 2015	#38
If a simple question can be composed,	Cassidy1	Jun 2015	#39
How do you define the word "legit" as used by you originally? N/T	beevul	Jun 2015	#70
Dictionaries are even on the internet.	Cassidy1	Jun 2015	#72
In other words, you're trolling.	beevul	Jun 2015	#73
So you don't have an answer,	Cassidy1	Jun 2015	#78
AND, for those too lazy to pick up a dictionary:	Cassidy1	Jun 2015	#79
He's been asking you to provide an example for your use of the word "legit"	Nuclear Unicorn	Jun 2015	#74
Ya know, its funny you say that. I smell an OP coming on.	beevul	Jun 2015	#75
I'm sincerely flattered. Please feel free. nt	Nuclear Unicorn	Jun 2015	#76
Where was the lack of debate?	Cassidy1	Jun 2015	#77
"People often have a chance to show up or participate but never do."	Nuclear Unicorn	Jun 2015	#80
You tell me where the process was not followed in this bill.	Cassidy1	Jun 2015	#81
NY Safe Act or yogurt: Which was debated longer on state Senate floor?	Nuclear Unicorn	Jun 2015	#82
When I took your statement calling people traitors at its dictionary definition	Nuclear Unicorn	Jun 2015	#28
Not even sure what you're talking about	Cassidy1	Jun 2015	#31
and what about the ones who are actually committing gun violence?	gejohnston	Jun 2015	#8
No, I don't smoke pot.	Cassidy1	Jun 2015	#19
And what, exactly, does legislation restricting rifle handgrip shape have to do with that?	benEzra	Jun 2015	#9
A number of NY Sheriff's have publicly stated that they will not enforce the law	Lurks Often	Jun 2015	#11
"I say crack down with enforcement"	Nuclear Unicorn	Jun 2015	#12
Door to door searches led by Cuomo personally!	DonP	Jun 2015	#15
Seems to me the angry people are the gun owners	Cassidy1	Jun 2015	#20
What do we have to be angry about? We've won at every turn for 20 years	DonP	Jun 2015	#25
You tell me	Cassidy1	Jun 2015	#32
No, we're not,	GGJohn	Jun 2015	#42
Who are my cohorts?	Cassidy1	Jun 2015	#46
And neither are us liberal gun owners.	GGJohn	Jun 2015	#50
Yes, I can tell you're not liberal.	Cassidy1	Jun 2015	#54
Sorry dude, but you don't know the definition of liberal,	GGJohn	Jun 2015	#83
Fire away	Cassidy1	Jun 2015	#86
I just reread post 10.	Cassidy1	Jun 2015	#35
In what fucking world do you interpret that as angry?	GGJohn	Jun 2015	#44
It used the word "angry."	Cassidy1	Jun 2015	#48
Wow!!!!	GGJohn	Jun 2015	#51
How so?	Cassidy1	Jun 2015	#55
Angry as a reaction to laws passed without their consent that offend their values.	Nuclear Unicorn	Jun 2015	#66
Enforce the law.	Cassidy1	Jun 2015	#22
Like the drug war?	Nuclear Unicorn	Jun 2015	#27
People using drugs don't hurt others like people with guns do.	Cassidy1	Jun 2015	#33
Really?	GGJohn	Jun 2015	#43
You're not talking about the act in and of itself.	Cassidy1	Jun 2015	#47
Are you really that naive? eom.	GGJohn	Jun 2015	#49
Naive about what?	Cassidy1	Jun 2015	#58
"FDR would be spinning"	Nuclear Unicorn	Jun 2015	#65
Eleanor is not Franklin	Cassidy1	Jun 2015	#87
According to you Eleanor is one of the people destroying this country. Yet she's considered	Nuclear Unicorn	Jun 2015	#88
FDR would be spinning?	GGJohn	Jun 2015	#84
FDR	Cassidy1	Jun 2015	#85
Not Eleanor	gejohnston	Jun 2015	#89
Looks like he's shooting clay targets.	Cassidy1	Jun 2015	#126
He is at Parris Island Marine base and is shooting a 1903 Springfield rifle in 30-o6 caliber.	oneshooter	Jun 2015	#129
WRONG....Let me shine some light of truth on the subject.	virginia mountainman	Jun 2015	#125
What did I say that was wrong?	Cassidy1	Jun 2015	#127
Still asking questions	sarisataka	Jun 2015	#128
Who said they are supportive?	Cassidy1	Jun 2015	#130
You also stated	sarisataka	Jun 2015	#131
So do I now have to reply to all your straw men?	Cassidy1	Jun 2015	#132
No straw men, just logically following your statements	sarisataka	Jun 2015	#133
There's that word again that I did not use.	Cassidy1	Jun 2015	#134
"ergo"	sarisataka	Jun 2015	#135
Culpable means deserving blame.	Cassidy1	Jun 2015	#136
Follow the link	sarisataka	Jun 2015	#137
Ah, you are correct.	Cassidy1	Jun 2015	#138
I previously answered your questions	sarisataka	Jun 2015	#139
No, you did not answer my questions.	Cassidy1	Jun 2015	#140
Ok one more answer...	sarisataka	Jun 2015	#141
Not sure what you mean when you ask	Cassidy1	Jun 2015	#142
I am reminded of a quote,	sarisataka	Jun 2015	#143
I actually now	Cassidy1	Jun 2015	#144
I see.	Straw Man	Jun 2015	#53
Guns are for doing damage.	Cassidy1	Jun 2015	#57
what about other drugs?	Duckhunter935	Jun 2015	#62
Weed and guns.	Straw Man	Jun 2015	#63
Really?	Straw Man	Jun 2015	#52
How do they wreak violence?	Cassidy1	Jun 2015	#56
You've never heard of cartels?	Straw Man	Jun 2015	#61
If it were legal,	Cassidy1	Jun 2015	#92
there is a logical fallacy called	gejohnston	Jun 2015	#93
"wikipedia" is not a legit source	Cassidy1	Jun 2015	#116
It explains the logical fallacy correctly	gejohnston	Jun 2015	#117
I'm not reading	Cassidy1	Jun 2015	#122
"Poisoning the well" - another fallacy.	Lizzie Poppet	Jun 2015	#121
Yes, quite amusing	Cassidy1	Jun 2015	#123
Eh?	Straw Man	Jun 2015	#114
I don't think you people get it.	Cassidy1	Jun 2015	#115
So what? What privileges your views above ours?	friendly_iconoclast	Jun 2015	#118
The only person not getting here is you.	GGJohn	Jun 2015	#119
Is that supposed to be an answer?	Straw Man	Jun 2015	#120
Another master of perception	Cassidy1	Jun 2015	#124
More snark, devoid of content.	Straw Man	Jul 2015	#145
Here then.	oneshooter	Jun 2015	#90
A bunch of Google images?	Cassidy1	Jun 2015	#91
And you must be on the tro....g team.	GGJohn	Jun 2015	#94
What is obvious?	Cassidy1	Jun 2015	#95
I could care less if you worship or don't worship our nation's Military,	GGJohn	Jun 2015	#96
Where am I lying?	Cassidy1	Jun 2015	#97
Every thing coming out of your mouth on this thread.	GGJohn	Jun 2015	#99
I don't even know what the hell you're talking about.	Cassidy1	Jun 2015	#100
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.	GGJohn	Jun 2015	#101
I thought I was boring you.	Cassidy1	Jun 2015	#102
Oh, I just can't resist when I see such bull excrement,	GGJohn	Jun 2015	#103
He does sound familar........maybe a calculuz professor?	Lurks Often	Jun 2015	#105
My thoughts exactly. eom.	GGJohn	Jun 2015	#106
No, you asked for the url, and so I got the information for you.	oneshooter	Jun 2015	#108
That's not what I asked. I asked if you would enforce your gun control laws like the drug war.	Nuclear Unicorn	Jun 2015	#64
Drugs kill more people in my state than guns.	hack89	Jun 2015	#67
What heroin epidemic?	Cassidy1	Jun 2015	#98
There have been 51 overdose deaths in Rhode Island this year.	hack89	Jun 2015	#104
That does not say anything about trends.	Cassidy1	Jun 2015	#107
So are gun deaths	hack89	Jun 2015	#109
Drug Overdose Deaths On The Rise In The U.S.	hack89	Jun 2015	#110
Four years is not a trend	Cassidy1	Jun 2015	#111
So the crack epidemic of the 90's never happened?	hack89	Jun 2015	#112
Uh, no, you don't "get it."	Straw Man	Jun 2015	#36
NY had 682 murders in 2012. All rifles COMBINED accounted for 11.	benEzra	Jun 2015	#113
It surprises me to find people actually surprised by this outcome?	virginia mountainman	Jun 2015	#10
Excellent analysis/summary, virginia mountainman	appal_jack	Jun 2015	#13
"that you don't dare enforce"	Nuclear Unicorn	Jun 2015	#14
What does mean	Cassidy1	Jun 2015	#34
Nope they became independant..	virginia mountainman	Jun 2015	#37
Not sure who you're talking about now.	Cassidy1	Jun 2015	#40
I know those people I posted about on a PERSONAL, and PROFESSIONAL basis.	virginia mountainman	Jun 2015	#41
Okay, fine.	Cassidy1	Jun 2015	#45
One that would not tolerate people calling them racists, or Milita, for daring to consider...	virginia mountainman	Jun 2015	#59
Of course not.	Cassidy1	Jun 2015	#60
The elephant in the room.	beevul	Jun 2015	#16
Maybe, the CT Speaker of the House said he didn't want to see any new gun laws proposed	Lurks Often	Jun 2015	#17
Same thing happened in CA	pablo_marmol	Jun 2015	#29
"Law abiding gun owners"	mwrguy	Jun 2015	#68
In contrast --	Nuclear Unicorn	Jun 2015	#69
The Mayors Against Illegal Guns are quite the stand up group!	pablo_marmol	Jun 2015	#71

Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Wed Jun 24, 2015, 12:29 PM

DonP (6,185 posts)

1. Obviously all those "gun criminals" need to be arrested and their homes tossed by state troopers

All their guns and anything else the state wants or feels they don't "need" should also be confiscated. Like their cans of beans and bicycle tires so they can't assault anyone with those either.

Now I expect Governor "7 rounds", who pushed this through in the middle of the night so he could look "tough" and be first with a new gun law, will be personally kicking a few doors to show how supportive he is of this.

That's the only way to treat these law breakers.

SAFE Act: Gun groups say data shows low compliance

1. Obviously all those "gun criminals" need to be arrested and their homes tossed by state troopers

2. Just my humble opinion

3. Not very surprised

4. There are no hard numbers, but non compliance in CT appears to be similar

5. Oh, I get it.

6. I bet you feel the same way about Federal drug laws too, right?

18. Why would you bet that?

7. Define "legit". N/T

21. There's a new invention out now.

23. Does it read minds?

24. Do

26. No, thats not what I meant. Can the dictionary read minds?

30. Can I read minds?

38. Why do you keep repeating yourself?

39. If a simple question can be composed,

70. How do you define the word "legit" as used by you originally? N/T

72. Dictionaries are even on the internet.

73. In other words, you're trolling.

78. So you don't have an answer,

79. AND, for those too lazy to pick up a dictionary:

74. He's been asking you to provide an example for your use of the word "legit"

75. Ya know, its funny you say that. I smell an OP coming on.

76. I'm sincerely flattered. Please feel free. nt

77. Where was the lack of debate?

80. "People often have a chance to show up or participate but never do."

81. You tell me where the process was not followed in this bill.

82. NY Safe Act or yogurt: Which was debated longer on state Senate floor?

28. When I took your statement calling people traitors at its dictionary definition

31. Not even sure what you're talking about

8. and what about the ones who are actually committing gun violence?

19. No, I don't smoke pot.

9. And what, exactly, does legislation restricting rifle handgrip shape have to do with that?

11. A number of NY Sheriff's have publicly stated that they will not enforce the law

12. "I say crack down with enforcement"

15. Door to door searches led by Cuomo personally!

20. Seems to me the angry people are the gun owners

25. What do we have to be angry about? We've won at every turn for 20 years

32. You tell me

42. No, we're not,

46. Who are my cohorts?

50. And neither are us liberal gun owners.

54. Yes, I can tell you're not liberal.

83. Sorry dude, but you don't know the definition of liberal,

86. Fire away

35. I just reread post 10.

44. In what fucking world do you interpret that as angry?

48. It used the word "angry."

51. Wow!!!!

55. How so?

66. Angry as a reaction to laws passed without their consent that offend their values.

22. Enforce the law.

27. Like the drug war?

33. People using drugs don't hurt others like people with guns do.

43. Really?

47. You're not talking about the act in and of itself.

49. Are you really that naive? eom.

58. Naive about what?

65. "FDR would be spinning"

87. Eleanor is not Franklin

88. According to you Eleanor is one of the people destroying this country. Yet she's considered

84. FDR would be spinning?

85. FDR

89. Not Eleanor

126. Looks like he's shooting clay targets.

129. He is at Parris Island Marine base and is shooting a 1903 Springfield rifle in 30-o6 caliber.

125. WRONG....Let me shine some light of truth on the subject.

127. What did I say that was wrong?

128. Still asking questions

130. Who said they are supportive?

131. You also stated

132. So do I now have to reply to all your straw men?

133. No straw men, just logically following your statements

134. There's that word again that I did not use.

135. "ergo"

136. Culpable means deserving blame.

137. Follow the link

138. Ah, you are correct.

139. I previously answered your questions

140. No, you did not answer my questions.