Americans Escaping Gun Violence Flee to Iraq and Syria

[Fred Sanders]

"Saying he could no longer stand by while a humanitarian crisis unfolded a mere 6,000 miles away, Syrian President Bashar al-Assad has opened his doors to millions of Americans fleeing out-of-control gun violence in their country.

“While our nation has its own struggles and absorbing tens of millions of Americans will not be an easy task, we cannot turn our backs on such a tragedy,” Assad said after nine people were killed at a church in Charleston, South Carolina. “We cannot ask these refugees to remain in a country where they can be gunned down in their malls, their movie, theaters, schools and now their places of worship."


"An increasing number of American refugees have sought to cross into Iraq and Syria, as more than 30,000 people are killed by firearms each year in the U.S. While the country’s elected president, Barack Obama, has offered proposals to try to curb access to firearms among criminals and the mentally ill, any changes to the law must be approved by American Supreme Leader Wayne LaPierre. LaPierre has been silent following the latest shooting, but the Supreme Leader has generally responded to calls for reform with brutal crackdowns and increased gun distribution."

http://www.theisraelidaily.com/americans-escaping-gun-violence-flee-to-iraq-and-syria/

[gejohnston]

1. Other articles include

http://www.theisraelidaily.com/hamas-to-legalize-gay-suicide-bombers/
http://www.theisraelidaily.com/in-goodwill-gesture-to-iran-obama-executes-salman-rushdie/

Oh, then there is this.
http://www.theisraelidaily.com/report-megalomaniac-obama-to-run-for-kenyan-presidency/
Don't tell Glen Beck, he will be reporting that one as fact.

[Fred Sanders]

2. Isn't satire a great thing, exposes the hypocrisy of the NRA clearly? Am I right?

Who would of thought a week ago the Dixie Swastika would become radioactive?

One down, another to go....maybe next week?

[gejohnston]

3. no, it doesn't.

since it doesn't show any hypocrisy. They really believe what they say. Now, Gabby's husband buying an AR while preaching they should be banned is hypocritical. So is Shannon Watts having armed guards on Bloomberg's dime. Every MDA protest has at least three Bloomberg goons with guns.

[flamin lib]

8. And you know this how?

Oh, that's right, you have moles inside MDA!

[Shamash]

9. Or you know, Google

Since the communications director for the group explicitly stated that they have armed security back in April. Plus video and pictures. You know, stuff like that.

[Fred Sanders]

11. Just another example of how humorless the gun lovers are, as well as opposed to evidence.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

12. Good satire would be: Millions of gun control advocates flee to Mexico to embrace gun free life

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

13. Then there's the Kevin de Leon standup routine that had me rolling

Now if he only add a few Norm Crosby style malapropisms...

[Starboard Tack]

14. You've obviously never been to Mexico

Mexico is, in general, a very peaceful country. The only folk with guns are crooks and cops, who tend to shoot each other, not church congregations, moviegoers, little children or their neighbors. Nobody walks around wondering if there is some nutjob carrying a concealed weapon at Walmart.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

15. Mass killings frequently occur in Mexico and, yes, they often target innocent civilians.

[Shamash]

16. And sadly, some are committed -by- the Mexican government. n/t

[Nuclear Unicorn]

17. "Just disarm and the government will take care of you," said no Controller, ever.

[Starboard Tack]

18. And this has to do with what?

You think these killings would not occur if Mexicans turned to the insanity of carrying guns everywhere? How many unarmed civilians are killed by cops in Mexico? How many Trayvons are there?

As I said, you have obviously never been to Mexico. But I am sure you have seen it on TV.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

19. "You think these killings would not occur..."

Please list for us all the instances where being defenseless has helped.

[Starboard Tack]

20. What a silly question

Please list all the instances where I have proposed being defenseless.
If you believe not carrying a gun around is being defenseless, then I would definitely not want to live where you live.
Please list all the instances where your carrying a gun has made the world a better and more peaceful place.

[Shamash]

21. Well, now that you mention it...

How many unarmed civilians are killed by cops in Mexico?

How Mexico’s Federal Police Slaughtered At Least 16 Civilians in Michoacan

Mexican Police Accused of Brazen Attacks on Buses Carrying Students

But I'm sure these are isolated incidents and there is no chance this sort of thing happens by ones and twos all the time and there is no systemic problem with lethal police violence against civilians in Mexico.

An Entire Police Force in Mexico Is Held For Questioning Over Kidnapped Journalist

[Starboard Tack]

22. You are absolutely correct

The cops in Mexico are pretty darned corrupt. The Federales tend to be OK, also the military, but local cops are a disaster. A good reason to disarm them

[Shamash]

23. Speaking of the Federales and military...

I didn't post these earlier because we were just talking about the police, but since you bring it up:

Tlatlaya, Mexico, Army Massacre: Soldiers Were Ordered to "Turn Over and Shoot" Living and Wounded

Iguala, Guerrero, Mexico: Unofficial Story Involves Federal Police and Army in Attack on Ayotzinapa Students

And I guess I need to repeat this one:

How Mexico’s *Federal Police* Slaughtered At Least 16 Civilians in Michoacan

And of course, all of this leads to the question of how exactly disarmed police and citizens are going to be safer from the criminals, who apparently seem to acquire all the guns they want despite the laws against it. Between smuggling across borders north and south and items that go missing from military inventories, it does not seem like Mexican criminals are going to be reduced to sticks and stones anytime soon.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

37. As you can see from the other poster's links

The local and federal police as well as the military are as much the enemy of the people as the criminals. There is no place within civil authority that can be used to rein-in those who abuse their offices. Who, then, will defend the people if not themselves?

[Shamash]

4. Good satire requires thought, knowledge of the issue and introspection

Let us know when you post some rather than merely link to it.

[sarisataka]

5. I'll bite

What -specifically- is the NRA hypocritical about?

Just in case you are unaware-

hyp·o·crit·i·cal

adjective
adjective: hypocritical
behaving in a way that suggests one has higher standards or more noble beliefs than is the case.

In other words a jerk acting jerky is not hypocritical

[Nuclear Unicorn]

6. Hypocrisy would be acknowledging racists can turn to murder but then demanding

their would-be victims be disarmed in the name of keeping the victims of racism safe.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

7. Maybe cross post this

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1123

[ileus]

10. At least there they can acquire full autos to protect their families with easily.

While I don't really have the dough to pick up an NFA firearm here in America, I sure would like to have a real AK.

Talk about an awesome home defense firearm.

[Eleanors38]

24. So, is Bloomberg chartering flights? How many have booked one-way to Damascus?

[Fred Sanders]

25. 25 replies, I can thankfully only see 9, and 3 are me. Kudos, Full Block list!

[DonP]

27. Thanks for the clarification

By your own words, you have no interest in any discussion with members, so your sole purpose in posting anything here is to try and be a rude shit stirrer.

IMHO, that's grounds for a ban from the group. But it's up to our patient host.

[blueridge3210]

28. How sad,

that the mere thought of unfettered discussion is so frightening to some. Certainly explains the "activity" in Bansalot.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

32. What you're effectviely saying is --

You expect everyone to see your posts and presumably have reactions to them but your epistemological closure is absolute. You apparently have no motivation except to discourteously attempt to rile the audience (although an audience that can so easily rebut such silliness as the OP could hardly be described as riled).

Also one of the complaints about Controllers is: They're so control hungry they demand all the attention and grant no right to respond. This would be an example of that.

[collinsrent]

34. nice sig line

"The Law is where you decide to skip dinner and a movie with family and friends so you can take the money, buy a gun and badge with it and give those to another person so he can point the gun at your head and use the badge to shield himself from your complaints."

where did it come from?

[Nuclear Unicorn]

35. Believe it or not, I wrote it myself.

[collinsrent]

41. just to be an asshole

im going to say i don't believe you. lol

[Shamash]

26. By a process of elimination

and making the optimistic assumption that Fred is capable of doing simple math involving numbers higher than 21, we can determine exactly who of the participants in this thread is on his block list. If he wasn't giving liberals everywhere a bad name I'd almost feel sorry for him. I can't imagine feeling compelled to speak yet be so utterly unable to defend what I was saying that I had to plug my ears to block out criticism.

Oh my God, that's it! Fred is suffering from "gun control Tourette's". Well, at least he has a support group of fellow sufferers to help him through it.

[Fred Sanders]

30. Spending so much time and research on ad hominem attacks on moi....I wish I could say I was flattered.

Note to readers: this post is why I have a Full Ignore list chock full of the same kind of gun lover posters.

Thanks for the thread kick!

[Shamash]

31. Any time, Fred!

Because when you use terms like "ad hominem" without knowing what they mean, it makes my point about the quality of your discourse. Your arguments (and I use that term loosely) are not bad because of your personality, they are bad arguments because of their total lack of merit. Your personality just means you are unlikely to ever see the utility of informed and rational discussion on important issues and so your arguments are equally unlikely to improve in quality.

You do as much for your "cause" in terms of public opinion as Tony Perkins does for his. Similarly, the qualities of people who support your statements are much the same as those of people who support his. I would be happy to have a list of your statements sit at the top of a gun control discussion list in perpetuity just to remind people what the face of gun control looks like. But in lieu of that, perhaps you can say something that would go well in this topic so we can get it bumped back up to the top. We can even make sure your name goes with the quote if you'd like.

P.S. Admitting that you post here with no intent of engaging in rational discussion is pretty much the definition of trolling, so congratulations on outing yourself.

[Fred Sanders]

33. There is no sane or rational argument for having 300 million guns in America, or the NRA, so of course it is trolling!

The good kind.

And since it is MY OP....

And since there is only one reason this forum even exists at DU...

[Nuclear Unicorn]

36. "There is no sane or rational argument for having 300 million guns"

Then what is the sane or rational number and how did you derive it?

[beevul]

38. Thats ok, the number appears to be 347 million.

Thats ok, the number appears to be 347 million.

?1

http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2015/06/firearms-numbers-in-united-states-1945.html


Its a damn shame that people make decisions about guns without your consent, isn't it?

[Shamash]

39. Really?

And since there is only one reason this forum even exists at DU...

*Discuss* gun politics, gun control laws, the Second Amendment, the use of firearms for self-defense, and the use of firearms to commit crime and violence.

At what point were you going to start discussing and stop posturing?

Here, let's start with your subject line. Does the 1st amendment mean that people can advocate for beliefs that you personally disagree with? You have made the explicit statement that there is no sane or rational argument for having the NRA, so step up and defend that statement based on liberal principles regarding free expression and freedom of association. Since the NRA does not advocate for murder or criminal use of guns and no administration in US history has ever felt them to be a problem, let's hear your "sane and rational" argument for shutting them down.

Not even the most vocal anti-gun advocates have made the statement you just did, so this should be both entertaining and ground-breaking. You could catapult yourself onto the national stage with whatever revelation you are about to dazzle us with, since it is not one that has occurred to Brady, Violence Policy Center, Everytown, Feinstein, Schumer or anyone else.

[Fred Sanders]

45. There is no "revelation" needed, just common sense gun control and no NRA, as shared by the entire Western world...that

is why I do what I do to you.

Satire is wonderfully revealing, juxtiposing the ridiculous with the possible, as the OP link illustrates using satirical humor...it is well worth reading and I do appreciate the kicks so others can also read it.

[Shamash]

47. So, all you have is BS

You make an assertion like "no sane reason for the NRA to exist" and then are completely unable to back it up with even a shred of argument. And as long as you're outright telling everyone that you're a troll and demonstrating that you cannot back up your ludicrous statements, by all means governor, please continue. I'm apparently not the only one willing and eager to see you at the top of the chart. And going out of your way to alienate a new user who joined DU just this weekend in support of the same-sex marriage ruling? Priceless. Chalk up another victory for the gun control crowd!

I personally support the notion of giving you this post as your own personal corner. I think you should say something...typical...for you at least once a day and put it here just to bump it. In fact, I'm pledging to not clutter up your soapbox and detract from the attention you bring to yourself. So, the floor is all yours, paint away.

[collinsrent]

40. 33. There is no sane or rational argument for having 300 million guns in America, or the NRA,

agree somewhat. i would like to see a society that does not require weapons or violence. however that society does not exist.

a marine i know once said "god created warriors and peace keepers. if you fuck with our peace keepers, then are warriors will defend them."

[Fred Sanders]

42. "Ignorance is bliss" is another saying a fellow I knew once said. Wise fellow. Check out how

the Republican controlled House refused funding for gun violence research....again...another real world application of that sage saying.

42 replies, I can see 18 replies now, and 6 of those are mine....

Keep On Kicking! The OP linked article is well worth spreading to as many folks as possible.

It is hilarious use of satire because it is both ridiculous AND it could true.

[collinsrent]

43. im confused

"Ignorance is bliss" do you support or oppose ignorance?

you claim you ignore and block those you disagree with.

isn't that a support for ignorance? http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ignorance

[Fred Sanders]

44. You had it right in your truncated title.

Welcome to Full Ignore, number 44!

You are not worthy.

[collinsrent]

46. my apoligies for offending

have a good day, and thank you for the conversation.

[ManiacJoe]

29. Nice to see that "The Onion" has competition!